-289 God obviously had reasons for making Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, amirite?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Can o' worms there.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well, yeah so they can reproduce and flourish. But we don't necessarily need reproduction right now.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i agreee.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i agree!! i was gonna say something like that

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I read in a book of facts that the WORLD population has doubled since the 1950's. So, yea, we don't really need reproduction now. I agree.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The world population has doubled two or three times since the 1950s.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Can o worms? Can of pythons, more like.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

agreed. i'm not touching this one with a 10-foot pole

by Anonymous 14 years ago

yea dude, not even Steve Irwin would have gone near these pythons

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Why are so many people afraid to admit homosexuality is not a natural thing. If they want to get married let them make their own religion and stay out of the legitimate ones. They already have all the rights of anyone else without getting married. Health care and whatever. They are just like any minority trying to gain more than what they need just for attention. If we are going to be equal then quit labeling yourselves.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You sir/m'am, are an idiot. Furthermore, so is the poster of the original statement. I'd rant and rage about how close-minded, stupid, dumbass people you both are, but I don't feel like it. So, yeah.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

youre a fuckhead. So, yeah.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And you're a bigger one.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! lol truce?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Lmfao, sure.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They don't have all the same rights actually, take a good look into tax law, parenting & guardianship laws, adoption, inheritance, insurance, hospital visitation rights, etc. Why not just keep religion out of the gov't, as it was intended, instead of trying to keep marriage away from homosexuals? It's the legal marriage that's at issue here more than religious marriage. (BTW, it may not be normal, but it is natural. There are gay animals out there too.)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually religeon was very much a part of government originally, the basic laws all over he world are based on the 10 commandments, they just seperated at some point, causing a lot of antidisestablishmentarianism!! sorry, my point is valid, but I really wanted to use that in a real-life sentence... Also, I don't think it is natural either, I have heard about gay animals, though I don;t know enough about them to say if it was natural or not, but the simple fact is, its not natural for humans to be gay, just like its not natural for humans to have wings =) Obviously I'm anti-gay, however I'm against gayness itself, attacking gays because of their choices isn;t going to help them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I's sorry, but it is natural. People are born liking the opposite sex, just as some people are born liking the same sex. It's not much of a choice. You can't just decide to be gay or lesbian or bi, you are born liking either the opposing or same sex. I'm not trying to be mean, but if we have rights just because we like the opposite sex, then our government is even stupider than I imagined. Homosexuals are humans, just like us, and if they live in America, they should have the same rights. What happened to "All men were created equal."? If we aren't going to go by that, we need to change it and put the specifications in.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I think this is a main point, gay people aren't born gay, its a choice, sometimes they are influenced, but its a decision by the brain, and they can decide to become heterosexual again,if they have the determination and will-power to do so. I believe Homosexuals do have the same rights as the rest of us, healthcare, protection by law, the only thing they don't have is support of gayness, such as gay marriage. So basically government doesn't want to promote this, as obviously they are still attached to their foundation enough to object to gayness. Although the way things are going it won't be too long before they have lost all foundation, and gay marriage and abortion and such will be legalized.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But, should the government really control us THAT much, control our personal decisions? If people want to be gay, allow them to! If they want to marry or adopt, allow them to! Don't limit their love life because of THEIR CHOICE. But, sometimes people ARE born gay/lesbian. But, it doesn't MATTER how, it just matters that they are.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well then the question is simply, do we want a government to exist? there is another option, anarchy, however I think it is beneficial to have some kind of rule, and that means making rules, and trying to keep the country going in the right direction, and that means deciding which direction is right. And I'm sorry, but you'll need something more than saying so to prove people are born gay, it simply doesn't make sense.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well, I BELIEVE people are born gay. You can't just wake up one day and say, "I'M GAY!", it's just like how the male hormones lead us to woman, while their hormones lead them to liking other men. It's just a matter of what their brain is telling them is correct. And, on the subject of government, we just need to elect the right people.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

ok, well thats nice, you belief is unconvincing, sorry lol =). And no, not overnight, but over time, often childhood, and I don't think hormones make you like woman, they simply effect how, and what, you grow, and possibly fire up your sex drive, I don't think that is discriminatory between women and men. Its just what they brain has been trained to find exciting. As for government, power corrupts evryone, some people are better, but no1 is great, we need to introduce the servant leader, the President should get paid a janitors wage, have no benefits, and no other power, therefore the only reason you would want to be president is to help the world, and therefore you would get the right people, with the right intentions, who would stay doing the right thing, until they get tired of it, and pass it on =)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well, we need to stop arguing how gays become gay (lol, that's off topic for this post.) and start discussing the topic at hand. God made Adam and Eve so we could repopulate. I don't believe it says anywhere in the Bible that marriage is only for man and women, but if it doesn, I don't know. Government should not be keeping two people from eachother. And, if our government would be doing a good job. we wouldn't be in a war right now. I'd say we should just nuke them, because as proven by previous events, this war is going nowhere. I don't give a crap if they nuke us, because that would just proovre government has gotten us nowhere.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Umm the bible does say something along the lines of a man should not lie with another man, as he does with a woman, so basically men loving other men is fine (father - son etc)just not romantically. And Government doesn't keep two people from each other, it just puts it foot down somewhere, stopping what is considered immorality. If it didn't do this, people could eventually legalise doing all kinds of thing, it seems such a small step and yet it opens the door for the next step... In Sweden I beleive they are up to debating whether you can kill babies in the (4th?) term, these are fully functional human beings, so the question is, where will we finally put our foot down? You wouldn't mind being dead, just so you could criticize the government? And I agree, the government isn't doing a perfect job, however they are better than a dictator, so if you want it improved do something about it, complaining is pointless, we have the best of what is currently available.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I meant if we just get into a nuke war, that just shows how great our government is. This war could've ended years ago. And, like I said, I wasn't sure if there was or wasn't that line. I never got far into the bible.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

as in, if we got into a nuke war, it would prove government is crap? Or are you saying we should get into a nuke war and blow up half the world? And ok, I assure you its in there, might take me awhile to find exactly where again though, but I can if you like.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No. I am saying this war could've been spolved alot earlier in a peaceful way, but this war is stretching very far. 9 years so far, and what is the cause? Most people have forgotten what we are fighting for. This isn't about protecting America anymore, it's about retalliation. Fighting back, which we learned in middle school was wrong. I am saying our government is probably heading into a nuke war, for we have many other countries to deal with. Our President should deal with the problem face-to-face, instead of being a wuss killing innocent people, haveing Americans do the dirty work. Our troops were supposed to retreat last summer, be called back, but that never happened. We should just send people out to find Osama Bin Laden. My father pointed out that sounded ALOT like Obama and Biden. hey aren't thinking, what would be a peaceful way tto end this war?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

erm... I was under the impression Osama Bin Laden was dead... or was that some1 else they hung? And I think the Taliban have no intentions of being peaceful, so in the beginning that wasn't possible, and once you've got peace, its hard to leave again knowing it will go back to war as soon as you've gone, I think thats what is keeping the troops there. And unfortunately I don't believe there is any way of making the Taliban peaceful. But as I said before, no point complaining, things aren't good enough aye? Then DO something about it =) The world will never advance unless people Do things about what they think isn't right.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I think Osama is still alive. Heard about him on the news a few days ago. He WOULD be great at Hide and Seek, as I read in a previous post.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Hmmm alright then, I might need confirmation of that, pretty hard to fake a hanging

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well, a week ago, the FBI said Osama was still in Hiding.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

oh dear god, that is the most ridiculous and ignorant thing i've ever heard.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Enlighten me then?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It's true. Just read this article about two gay penguins.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

How should I rate this if I don't believe in a god? Do I say 'God doens't exist, so he can't have had reasons for anything', thereby disagreeing, or should I say 'If god did exist, I'm sure his reasons would be obvious' and agree?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

^im in the same boat

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Why should it matter so much. I mean yes it was originally created that man and woman should be together, but more for reproducitive purposes ( as said above). If a man has feelings for another man or a woman with a woman, it is COMPLETELY natural.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually I don;t think its natural, some research has been done in the area, and as I best understand it gayness is usually a result of some abuse, either sexually by a male, which produces confusing feelings, or aggressively by a woman, causing them to to hate woman, I'm assuming its similar for women.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So, you have to go through some kind of abuse in order to be gay? There are lesbians at my school who ahven't been through abuse, or at least don't act like it, and they don't hate guys. Same with males, I have seen gay males and they hang out with women. I think it may be ONE cause, but I do think homosexuality is natural.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Most people won't act liek it, it seems human nature is to hide pain. Now I'm not saying these are the ony ways, I've unfortunately never had a chance to talk to a gay person to really figure it out, these are just two more common theories, which make sense, I have not fully explained them here, you might want to look it up. Apart from that, you could be gay by choice, seems odd that you would want to, especially for guys, but I have no doubt some school students want to be different or some such thing, and decide to get it on with other girls, that at least, fits my image of some types of teens. Obviously every case is different, so its hard to generalize, but every case seems to be affected, its pretty obvious in the human anatomy, there is a hole, and a perfect thing to fill it, with the biological functions in both for reproduction... like a plug and a socket, its pretty obvious the way things are meant to be.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If you haven't talked to a gay person about it, don't presume you know what's going on in their heads.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Homosexuality has been around for the longest time. Theres proof that it has been around in cultures since Before Christ. So even thought it may not be considered a "normal" thing in todays society, it is in fact a very normal thing throughout time.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

As is murder =/

by Anonymous 14 years ago

you are disgusting

by Anonymous 14 years ago

how so?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

How is he disgusting? He just said, "As is murder". Murder is sort of natural but not natural, but if we didn't have murder, our world would be over populated.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Like Justin said, just because something has happened for a long time doesn't mean it's good. Yes, there is proof that there were gay people even in biblical times, but it also says that those people were sinners and were destroyed. I'm not saying gay people should be destroyed lol, but it is a sin according to my beliefs and that is why I am against it. That's just my opinion :

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well coming from an agnostic, I don't believe in sin. So having feelings for someone of the same sex is NOT a bad thing at all. It's a form of racism and it makes people look ignorant. That's just my opinion. And @29523 whether the world is over populated or not, murder is wrong and there are not enough murders to even make a significant impact on the population. And @29116 I said homosexuality was a NORMAL thing throughout time. Yea sure murder has always existed but it was never a normal thing. There is no comparison for homosexuality and murder.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But you were saying homosexuality was normal because it had existed for a long time, I pointed out this could not be right, so now your saying its normal because you said so? Sorry, gonna need something more than that. And I do agree, it does come down to what you believe in, which viewpoint your coming from, as I have talked about below.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I never said it was normal because i say so. What i did say is that is that it has been a normal thing throughout time. THIS IS PROVEN. So why would it all of a sudden not be a normal thing?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

LMAO - "(BTW, it may not be normal, but it is natural. There are gay animals out there too.)" hahahahah They sniff others butts and eat their crap too. You say you are like an animal but want human rights? Now I know you are confused. haha

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Fact is it comes down to religion, like most life issues, if you don;t believe in God, then life is all we have, human should be equal, and nothing matters anyway, so homosexuals should be allowed to do whatever they like. Or you beleive in God (and are a Christian) and pain and suffering take on a new meaning, there is light at the end of the tunnel, there is a point to life, and homosexuality is wrong. However I believe there are only 3 reasons to not be in this second group: 1. Your too scared to face up to it. 2. Your too biased to accept the truth, and you deceive yourself. 3. The most common, you haven't been presented sufficient facts, in which case I suggest you read "Religion is for fools" a very good and definitive review of the 5 main religions by a smart atheist comedian. Or "Mere Christianity" by C.S Lewis, if you like, though I have not yet read it myself.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It has nothing to do with religion. There has always been a fine line between what is right or wrong, acceptable or not. You blame being things against you homosexuality against religion but even atheists have the same feelings. I'm so glad you found a book that pits your personality against religion. Sounds like you're against religion. Hmmm......now who's prejudiced?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually I'm a Christian =) My point was, with religion you have an absolute right or wrong, a foundation for which to base things on. Without riligion there is no base, so there is no right or wrong, just what people think, all trtuh becomes relative, and therefor they could honestly say, with all the good intentions in the world, that homosexuality is fine. So we could argue all day over it, but the main point is where do our viewpoints come from, and which one should we listen to, and thats where it comes to religion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

My reasoning is why get married if you don't want kids. And if you want kids why wouldn't you want them from your own DNA? You can't do that with same sex. Sorry if that sounds absurd. I'll tell you, if I didn't want kids I wouldn't get married. The benefits of being married kill you in more ways than one than just being single.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Sorry, I don't think were on the same page here... your saying you should only get married if you want kids? And I'm saying that whether homosexuality is right or not depends on which religious viewpoint is correct. Like I said, Different Page. Though in regards to your arguement, love is usually enough reason to get married, its not all about reproducing, its agreeing to spend and share your life with a person, making you both happier.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Personally I don't think you need a piece of paper if you love someone. Paper is a contract and so many of those have been broken either being religous or not. In my opinion it's just harder to seperate with the marraige license and probably for the sake of the kids. A ton of people live with each other without a binding paper and are happy. That is true love.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

true love does not rely on being married, or not being married. Marriage is just a public declaration of it, and a commitment to stay with each other 'until death do us part' and yes, as with pretty much everything else, people have managed to screw it up, with the divorce rates, divorce was originally illegal, it certainly needs to be made harder.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No. I believe in God, but I believe that he isn't so cruel as to punish someone and consider it a sin to love someone else. If it's not hurting anyone, why would it be a bad thing. And I'm not "picking and choosing" from the Bible; I'm not associated with any religion.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

backwoods rightwing evangelist, amirite?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I heard that some male's turned gay for Edward.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(Anon Y. Mous): LOL. You just made my day. Thanks.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Why is it such a big deal to you? It is in no way hurting you if two men or two women get married. Majorities shouldn't decide the life of a minority if they aren't doing anything wrong. Open your mind love. =)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We can't just let people be and live our own lives? What effect does a gay couple have on a serparate individual, and is this effect so impacting that we need to argue about it?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(Just Saying): Win.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(Just Saying): Exacahtahly.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I don't care if it's natural or unnatural. Frankly, who other people marry or what they do is none of my damn business. As long as they're not hurting anybody - except each other *wink wink* - people shouldn't have a say over what they can and can't do. And they certaintly shouldn't be denied their civil rights. This is *way* to similar to a time where people said blacks and whites shouldn't be allowed to get married because it's 'unnatural' and not what God would want. If you don't stand up for others when they're being discriminated against there will be no one standing behind you when you're being mistreated.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

"This is *way* to similar to a time where people said blacks and whites". What? Not even on the same track. I suppose a man who wants to marry a sheep is normal to you too?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(return of Anonymous): A man and a sheep can't have consensual sex or a consensual marriage. Two men, or two women, or two people of entirely different races can. There's the difference.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You're a homophobic douche.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And you are a gay who hates normal people. Would that make you a straightphobic douche?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(return of Anonymous): He didn't say anything about straight people in general. Just the one person.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

This topic has gotten way off base. Somebody define "Normal".

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(return of Anonymous): Thats the funny thing, there is no straight 'normal' everybody is different, and yet some differences are acceptable (hair/eye color, height, most behaviors etc) and some are not (habit of murdering raping etc) so it really depends on where you lay the line between these two. It started out with gay being completely on the unacceptable side, but is being slowly pushed over, it doesn't seem bad right? only a small change... and yet I wonder what will follow... sex with animals, every argument applied to gays could be applied to people who supposedly are attracted to various animals... I don't want to imagine what this will lead to. We have enough STD's with our currently amount of sexual immorality, why do we want more?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The original topic was "God" intending......... If you don't believe in God and you still know of him then the question isn't whether or not gays and lesbians should get married. I believe God did not intend for it to be Adam and Steve otherwise we all would be asexual.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If we were supposed to be asexual there would only be a need for Adam. I don't really know what you were trying to say.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

i'm glad this is what you believe. i do too. but i have to agree with "can o pythons" commenter.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It shouldn't be a can of pythons. Why are all the freaks not afraid to speak up but when someone from the 95% hetrosexual group speaks up it's bad?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Dammit. I tryed not to touch it but i have to say something. I am straight, I know no one who is gay, but I think it is stupid how much of a big deal it is to everybody. As long as they're not hitting on you, why in the hell worry about it?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The gay part doesn't bother me but the part where they need to be married does. The Jewish church won't marry catholics, and I'm not familiar with other religions. It's all been said here. It's not necessary. I don't even see why a guy and a girl would be married if they didn't want kids. Lawyers would love for gays to be married as it would supplement their retirement plans. If you want a life partner then have one. But don't bring the church into it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But if they can find someone willing to marry them who has that power, why legally prevent them?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

What is the real point for gays to get married? Like I said it has all been said here.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Straight couples get legal benefits if they're married. Either eliminate those for straight couples so marriage isn't part of government, or give gay couples those same rights.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

god doesn't exist. god and religion are just your moral compass and it's apparently not a very good one at that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

^However, by reading this and replying to this amirite post, we are taking into account that a "god" does exist. If we take into account that a god does exist, then obviously he made an Adam and Eve for the purpose of procreation. Other reasons may have existed, however the idea that it was to insinuate that homosexuality is incorrect, and heterosexuality is correct, in my opinion is quite absurd. After all, if there is in fact a god creating human beings, and not wanting them to be homosexual, he could just will that couldn't he? He could have simply wiped the notion of homosexuality from each and every person's DNA before they were born. If he wiped out the idea of homosexuality, then there would be no way for any single individual to be homosexual would there?

by Anonymous 14 years ago