-160 You didn't know that 1.2 million American babies are aborted every year. That's more than every American soldier to have ever died in service. Since 1970, some 55 million American babies have been killed. Have we killed the next Abe Lincoln? Have we killed the next Billy Graham? 33% of babies are aborted in the US. That is the single most dangerous place on the planet, amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The Battle of Ghettysburg had a 24% death rate for the South and a 23% death rate for the North. This is utterly ridiculous.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

YOU are ridiculous. Why do you like to start stuff like this on this site? Haven't you done this enough?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

WHY do YOU care? Ignore it. Do whatever. Does it affect you? Nope. Calm yourself.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I care because I enjoy this site, just like you and I think it's pointless to just keep starting these debates with people. You think you're so great and that it's your duty to change people's minds? Then go out to the streets and lobby instead of start stuff on a website.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In case you haven't noticed, this is an opinion site. There WILL be arguments. Feel free to leave, though.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I'm not gonna let some guy like you make me stop doing something I enjoy, just like all of your nonsensical ramblings-on aren't going to stop me from being pro-choice. And yes, your ramblings-on ARE nonsensical. It is completely illogical to call somewhere the most dangerous place in the world based on abortion rates. It's dangerous if you're an unborn fetus, and last time I checked, they weren't too big of tourists.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That doesn't change the fact that for anyone there, it's the most dangerous place. You know what I mean. A baby in the womb is 9,000 times as likely to die as you are. Does that make it more dangerous? You bet.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ono don't you care about women's rights?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Don't you care about baby's rights? So, basically, you're saying if I had a litter of puppies, and I simply didn't want to care for them, I could just chuck them in a river? Because, honestly, that's kinda your argument.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No... that would be a waste of fur... they would make a better coat.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That argument is completely invalid! The baby isn't out in the world yet, it doesn't even know what's going on.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Whether or not it is aware of it's surroundings, it's still murder. People sleeping are oblivious to their surroundings; should we murder them? Of course not. High people are usually out of it. Are they murder-able?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It depends on the surroundings. If you are surrounded by the walls on my uterus, I can do what ever I want with you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The litter of puppies already came out. For a most of the pregnancy, the unborn baby is still just a mass of cells.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're actually a mass of cells also. Would you mind if I came over to your house to murder you?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're offering to sin for me? Aww, how sweet.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You probably wouldn't care if you murdered me. I am a woman and you don't care about my rights.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Puppies are born, embryos are not. On an unrelated note, puppies are adorable, embryos look disgusting.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Maybe it wasn't those babies's times to be born. You should be able to understand that considering you probably believe everything happens for a reason, right?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also, the next Abe Lincoln wouldnt grow up to be a hero if he was growing up with shitty parents

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exactly! Every baby should be wanted. And I hate when people make the argument about adoption. Foster homes suck. Trust me :/

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My friend was at a foster care place, the kids watched porn, and they tried things out at like ... 5 and the dad was like a total neglecting pot head, and now the kid is emotionally scarred

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, they're never good enough. One of my best friends was raised in a foster home and a guy living in the same home raped her when she was 13. At least she's with a good family now..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is so sad. My heart goes out to your friend.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, like some decent people get the kids, but others just get them for the money you get

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Which is disgusting. "I'll take in a bunch of kids I won't take care of just so I can get some money." That's sick.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah you're right; we should totally kill those kids instead. *eyeroll*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Haha, really? Abe Lincoln was a noble frontiersman. As long as his dad showed him how to survive, he'd have the exact same kind of life as he did.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

im not so sure about that. like if your parents are angles to you, youll be different than if your parents are abusive and neglecting. you arent who you are gonna be at birth

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Did I say that? I said Abe Lincoln. Not every person in America. Also I think you mean "Angels."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The unfertilized egg inside my womb might have grown up and cured cancer also. I don't really care though. It's a potential person, not a real person.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And your name shows you are EMMA the femmanist, thank you for looking into reason

by Anonymous 13 years ago

:) :) :) You'd be surprised how many people don't pick up on that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Really? thats shameful

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm all for abortion and all but some great people have been raised by shitty parents.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I don't believe everything happens for a reason. I believe God can work his plan around people's free will, not necessarily that everything happens for a reason.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So your god lets accidents happen?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God doesn't interfere with free will, no. However, if you're saying that accidents happen (babies) then you are ill-informed. 55 million of the same mistake doesn't happen in thirty years. Especially in one country. Either A: It's not really a accident, or they didn't take measures to stop it, or B: Humans are incredibly stupid.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, I'm just saying that if your god was so powerful, then why does he let accidents in general happen?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I said that—Free Will. He will not interfere with free will, so be glad for that. If he were to, more than likely you would've been stopped randomly, helpless, then commanded to stop what you were doing. That'd be incredibly scaring, possibly causing you to commit suicide.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But suicide is a sin. I don't think he'd force anybody to sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sheesh you, out of your own free will, would've done that. He wouldn't have killed you. Learn to read.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There is an error on your post!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh noes. Where?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You said "a accident" instead of "an accident" in the first comment of yours I had replied to.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh. Oops. Must've been typing too fast haha.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Compassion. I don't understand why it's such a hard concept to grasp.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You don't know what their situation was. What if there was a medical problem? What if she was a teen mother? What if she was raped? What if she cared about how her child would grow up?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What if they were too poor to afford to raise a child properly, if OP says "They shouldnt have had sex" soemone needs to go to school, you dont need to be prepared for a baby to have sex, its helpful but you cant even dare to expect it

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, surely, by now, through evolution, or Intelligent Design, we would've realized that, by now, through all these tv shows and stuff, by now, we would've realized that by now, if you have sex there is a chance you will get pregnant. Isn't this common sense? " but you cant even dare to expect it" Really? So suddenly you can choose to be immune to pregnancy. Hmm.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

do you think that people make mistakes? you shouldnt have a large majority of your life troubled with a child

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh! Well sucks for every person who is born to a person under 35, for their parents had a child for the majority of their life (Statistically.) People make mistakes, yes. But really, 55 MILLION of the same mistake in one country in thirty years? Are we a clueless race?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How about instead of arguing abortion here in America, argue abortions in China and India, where they often abort female fetuses because while dowries are not allowed, there is often money given by the wife's parents. I think the aborting for the mother's safety or the child's future > aborting so you don't have a daughter.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because China is a pagan society. And because Obama, as a Christian (so he claims) should have some morals, and shouldn't allow the death of innocent babies.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Are you going to deny his religion? Now that's just stupid. Just because not all Christians are as insanely devoted and believing as you (because most of them aren't) doesn't mean that they aren't Christians. And when abortion is illegal, women go to illegitimate doctors or try to do the abortions themselves, resulting in more deaths and issues with the women, and then the babies (if not already dead) are going to have serious issues.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No. I didn't say he wasn't. But he should start acting like one. Orly? Doubtful. How about they crack down on illegal institution, then?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

He is acting like one by practicing his religion. That's what makes a Christian, having faith in God, not parading it around like an idiot. http://socialistworker.org/2005-2/562/562_06_Abortion.shtml http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/companion.asp?compID=100&id=20 http://www.emedicinehealth.com/abortion/article_em.htm

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I can't go to those links. I'm on mobile. Ah, but does one really serve God when he advocates murder? No.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Then whenever you can get on a computer, look at them. Once you look at the links, this will also answer this question. Millions of women die because they just can't have the babies. Imagine other super Christians (like you!) seeing a woman with a child out of wedlock. They'd give her dirty looks and tell her she's going to hell because she had sex before getting married. Despite all the precautions she used against pregnancy, shit happens. Now she's pregnant and people are bitches. Foster homes aren't exactly all the great, for the most part. And that's the "she's not completely innocent but she could have a kid and live" scenario. Then there's younger teens being pregnant and not having the body to have a kid, or not wanting to drop out of high school, and then there's rape.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just so you know, my comp broke... So never, really. Really? Millions die? Don't make me laugh. http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/AbortionStatistics.htm "The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control. Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest; 1% because of fetal abnormalities; 3% due to the mother's health problems." Lol I don't know of anyone who'd do that, actually. You're just lying through your teeth. You know what WOULDN'T get you pregnant? Abstinence!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So your computer broke, yet you're able to find and post a link? Sorry, millions of illegitimate abortions happen, and thousands die when abortions are illegal. Again, shit happens. Foster homes are horrible. Okay, good luck with trying to get the human population to stop having sex.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Uh... Yeah. I'm on an iPhone. Do you know what an iPhone is? Some links work, but those really long ones that others post don't. Sometimes they do, but yours didn't. Once again, crack down on illegal activity. Again, abstinence is a good option. Or at least responsibility. Condoms have a 98% effectiveness (I think.) Or they can reap what they sow (funnily enough, from the Bible!)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nope, I have no clue what an iPhone is. I live in a cave and have no connection to the modern world. So they could work, but it's better for your argument to not wait for them to load so you can ignore the facts. Okay, got it. ...They don't know the illegal activity is happening until some sort of evidence is found (ex: 2,000 baby fetuses in a temple in I believe Thailand, or a mother dead) Condoms apparently reduce *ahem*, so a lot of people go to birth control pills, and my mom got pregnant twice on the pill. Again: shit happens. Life happens.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Really wow. Right-o. Haha yeah. So basically, even though your entire argument is that it would happen anyway, there is no evidence that it would happen? Okay... Okay, then, you reap what you sow. If you aren't responsible, and use the best method of contraceptive, that's tough. You have to deal with the consequences of your poor choices. Once again, God knows what's best, and that's why waiting for marriage is such a good option.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You don't get it. It would happen, the government would not know about it until after it happened and the women are dead or they find a bunch of fetuses. Then they can guesstimate the number of abortions based off the number of illegal abortion doctors, etc. Okay, so a teen that has crazy hormones that they can't control who uses birth control and condoms gets pregnant because that stuff doesn't always work. They should be able to get an abortion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Millions of people in this world just don't want children. You can't expect them to never have sex. That's just not going to happen.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

For a medical problem, rape baby, and incest, abortion is a necessary evil. Sure, I understand exactly WHY they would have an abortion, and who knows, maybe I'd do it too. But there is no way 55 million women had medical problems or rape babies. Or is that just me?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

As it was said before, The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control. Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest; 1% because of fetal abnormalities; 3% due to the mother's health problems.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's rather simple: you shouldn't murder someone who can't defend themself just because it's convenient.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I understand if a person was raped, but i think they should take responsibility for their actions if they were just having sex. I believe that all babies are conceived for a reason and I think that, if the couple knows they can get pregnant and has no capability to support a possible child, they honestly shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Again, take responsibility for your actions. This is probably going to get a lot of negative votes, but it's just what I believe

by Anonymous 12 years ago

honestly, it depends on the situation. i personally would choose abortion over the child starving to death and such. but i see where your coming from. i kind of agree but i kind of don't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If they're going to starve, then put them for adoption. I'd rather be alive than be stuck at an orphanage

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If you're not alive, I don't think you care where you are.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I said I'd rather as a hypothetical situation. Obviously I'm not dead.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I know that. You said that you would rather be alive than at an orphanage, which implies that if you were at an orphanage you would be dead, thus your location should not be the focus. I think you meant to say you would rather be alive AND stuck at an orphanage.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

too bad you weren't aborted as a baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No matter who the person is that's a cruel thing to say.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I find it's a very good way to determine someone's intelligence.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How does that make it dangerous? Abortion isn't a crime.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Using the death penalty isn't a crime, but it's still looked down on upon.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That still doesn't make it dangerous. That was irrelevant. Typically, places are seen as "dangerous" when there is high crime and lots of natural disasters. The end of the post says "That is the single most dangerous place on the planet"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, because it is. Dangerous, as in, a baby in a mother's womb has the highest chance of being killed of any single person on the planet that doesn't have a gun to their head at this moment. Nowhere else is there a 33% death rate.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

........ That doesn't make it dangerous. It's not like someone is getting murdered. Now here is where it gets complicated: No one is pointing a gun to your head. No one is stabbing you. It's voluntary (yes, I know babies obviously couldn't choose, especially if you believe in EARLY abortions only), but it's chosen for them, the mother chooses to. Nothing is against someones will. It's not like people are going around giving forced abortions. High death rates do not mean someplace is dangerous. Also, if you decide to start something you should be able to choose when to end it (within the law of course)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

High death rates don't mean something is dangerous? Really? So AIDS isn't dangerous and I should attempt to contract that? What about Uganda? That place isn't dangerous? Okay then, go there. What about the middle of a Taliban encampment? Is that dangerous? No? Why don't you trek up there; I'll fund your entire expedition as long as you make it to the Taliban.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It doesn't say it's dangerous. Crime/terrorism/natural disasters/if it brings harm to people show if something is dangerous. Nothing is actually threatening about abortion, other than a baby life being snuffed out. Whereas Iraq is dangerous, there are terrorists. Abortion is not dangerous because babies are dying. It's voluntary, no ones forcing it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's voluntary? Oh, so all 55 million babies CHOSE to die. Wow I was misinformed. I thought the mothers killed them. I had no idea they could communicate with the babies! What constitutes dangerous, then? If someone doesn't want to die? I''m pretty sure the babies never wanted to die. That makes it dangerous. No matter what definition you choose, babies in the womb are in a dangerous position. They are very likely to die, making it DANGEROUS for them. I don't see how you don't understand this.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ono Did you not read my previous posts? Welllll I'm done with this. You obviously won't see any other way that your own.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I did read them, obviously you don't have a counter-argument, so you decided to blame it on me. y Good job.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

actually africa has an astoundingly high death rate that is near 33%. Plus being aborted is not murder since THEY WERE NEVER ALIVE

by Anonymous 13 years ago

They were never alive? Really? Then why were they using nutrients, oxygen, and blood from their mothers? Do clusters of atoms need to sustain themselves? Huh? No? It's not kin to a rock; it's kin to a baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

They are alive, this is a fact. The argument for abortion is usually wether they're intelligent enough; or advanced enough to feel pain.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Or whether the fetus's ability to continue to exist is more significant than a woman's right to control her life, future, and body.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The inside the digestive track of a shark has a death rate of 100%.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

YES! Well put!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just because something isn't a crime doesn't mean it's not dangerous. Jumping out of an airplane isn't a crime, but it's still dangerous. I'm not trying to get into this argument really, I just disagree with your logic.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Life would be better with out those cheesy televangelists, maybe if Billy Graham was aborted Christianity would be weaker than what it is today....

by Anonymous 13 years ago

AND WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THIS FAKE STATISTIC FROM!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's real, actually. http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html I got it from another website last night, but I can't find that one again. Same stats, though.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

haha that website says nothing like what you are claiming. PLUS you can't trust sources like that. that kinda shit is worse than wikipedia

by Anonymous 13 years ago

maybe you should read something slightly more reliable http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Your+name+(optional)): One of the first sentences from that site. " total of 857,475 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC for 2000" Hmm, a difference of 350,000, and that was one year. My stats are correct, taken of the average. If you were trying to prove me wrong, fail. If you were just giving me more resources, then thanks, but I am capable of using Google.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Obviously, that statistic is made up just like 85.83% of the statistics on this site.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not fake. Those are real statistics.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Okay, so let me get this straight here, your saying that abortion is bad because basically the Bible told you so. But really? Think of the other options. Would you rather have fourteen year old girls have their future torn from them, purely because they're pregnant and are not allowed to abort? The world is over populated as is, and having a child that is not wanted or needed really is not rational what so ever. This really is such an uneducated statement.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Would you rather have been aborted? How do we know the person we haven't killed could've potentially cured cancer? How do we know we didn't kill Einstein? It's bad because it's murder, NOT because the Bible says so. Though I suppose you CAN'T say murder is bad, for without a set of moral codes given to you by your Creator, nothing can be deemed right or wrong.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We can't say that, but it's not really considered murder unless it's alive for starters. But shooting down someone else's future because a bystander told them that they are not able to fix a mistake that they made, does not seem just. Also, you just lost credibility right there for admitting that you're a bible thumper.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hmm, you just lost credibility right there for not being able to devise a decent argument. "Mistake" doesn't cover it. Unless all 55 million times the condom broke, it wasn't a mistake. It was carelessness. That is completely different from "mistake." Hmm, funny, does the baby use nutrients? Does it circulate blood? Does it use oxygen? I didn't know rocks could use nutrients. Hmm. The babies are alive. However, you are free to disagree, but you're wrong.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Plants use nutrients, are you going to say that vegetarians are evil killers and should die?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, but plants are alive, aren't they? Didn't your argument falter so you had to change tactics? Go ahead, admit they're alive. You can't say they aren't alive.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A millions things could have happened to prevent you from being born, what makes abortion so bad?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you mentioned fourteen-year-old girls' futures being taken from them. I'm a teenage girl and i choose not to have sex. i'm waiting until marriage. now, if i got pregnant, i'd keep the baby because it is a HUMAN BEING. i don't care what crap you'll say about it not being alive or whatever the hell, because babies are humans.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am also a teenage girl and have chosen not to ever get married. If I got pregnant now I would abort the baby because I am totally not ready to deal with that and my right to control my body, future, and life is way more important than any pea-sized lump of organic matter in the world.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You idiot. Adoption is always an option for girls who aren't responsible enough to be parents. At any given point there are thousands of infertile couples waiting for a child to adopt as their own.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am all with you on being pro-life, but do you really think you are going to convince her otherwise by calling her an idiot?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Just like it could be the next Abe Lincoln, it could just as likely be the next Hitler.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It could've been you. Is that a reason to murder innocent babies? Hey, how about we start a genocide against all two year-olds! They may grow up to be Hitler, so it's okay!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, of course not. It was just a counter response to what you said. And by the way, you're removing a fetus, not murdering a baby. A baby and a fetus are two very different things. You seem awfully ignorant about this subject, I'm sorry.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh really? Different how? That's like saying a child is less valuable than an adult. Well no, it's still a life. In fact it should be MORE valuable, as the baby still needs a chance to experience life. You seem woefully tolerant of murder.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, it is a life. But it's the life of a fetus that can't think or feel anything whatsoever so to some people I'm sure that terminating a clump of cells that has yet to grow into anything with a mind and thoughts is better than a woman having a baby under the wrong circumstances. It's unfair for the woman and the child. No, I just feel you should be able to make decisions concerning your own body and whatever it is growing inside of it. And just to clear it up, I certainly don't condone abortions done after the baby has a brain stem and is more developed; that's just cruel, and only should be performed because of medical needs.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am saying that a pea sized lump of organic matter is less important than the autonomy of every woman in the world. An embryo is not the same as a baby just as an acorn is not the same as a tree.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I can't believe you actually said babies are more important than women. That's so misogynistic.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That baby just as well might be a woman though...

by Anonymous 3 years ago

55 MILLION?! Thank God! The world is overpopulated anyway... OP, people have the right to choose, and your crazy ass will never change it. If it becomes illegal, they'll do it anyway.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Did you just thank god for abortion, which breaks so many of his morals and commandments? That's like thanking terrorists for america's safety, or thanking Hitler for the Jewish people being Alive! Have some common sense and respect!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Did you just take a sentence hinted with sarcasm to respond to? And looks like you backed it up with a couple ridiculous examples... cute.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And aprox 1 in 4 pregnancies end in misscarriage. What if one of them was the next Einstein, or next Hitler, or the next whoever? The point I'm trying to make is millions and millions of babies are not carried full term for whatever reason, it's just a fact of life, you can't dwell on "what ifs". Abortion has been around for a very very long time (has been recorded before 500BC) In many cultures, for many reasons. Abortion isn't a new phenomena.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I never said it was new, and I never said miscarriages don't happen. My parents had a miscarriage. But what you said is so incredibly irrelevant, I'm surprised you can form an argument with it. For that, I commend you. You actually support the death of babies? Because, what, theres a chance that they would die anyways? How about I come kill you. Would you mind that? You will die eventually; I'm just speeding up natural processes.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No... I don't support the death of babies, nor was I really arguing for or against abortion. I was just trying to put some more perspective on the topic. I could never have one myself, but at the moment it isn't illegal to abort a fetus in the first trimester. Where killing me is illegal, I mean I won't care, coz I'm dead there isn't much I can do about it, but you can go to jail for it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Once again, you're basing your moral values on the law. Tell me honestly the integrity of that decision.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No I'm not basing MY moral values on the law. Did you not read that I could never have an abortion? If I found out I was pregnant today I would keep the baby and be the best mother I could be. Also my boyfriend is pro-life even in the case of rape, the only exception he beleives in is if carrying the baby full term will kill the mother (he is an athiest by the way, so this is based on his own moral code, not religious) I could never abort his baby knowing how much it would hurt him.BUT I respect the right for other women to choose what they want to do with their bodies. People are still going to have abortions whether it's legal or not. They have been for thousands and thousands of years.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exactly. Nobody wants a world where desperate women are forced to have back-alley illegal abortions. A woman's health should be controlled by the woman herself, a not crazy religious factions or a governmental body.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, you're right. Let's allow murder. It's no problem. What makes you think it's right?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not murder if it's in someone's uterus. I think abortion needs to be legal because I've seen the government in action and I know they are way to incompetent to be in charge of the life of the woman and her fetus.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, I agree with your last point. Which is why it should be illegal, flat-out, unless two different doctors confirm the medical need. However, you don't think it's murder? Right. Ridiculous. Why wouldn't it be?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, I'm just going to state my opinion. I don't feel like getting into an argument with you. Please respect my opinion and I'll respect yours. For the most part, I think abortion is murder, but in certain cases, it should be aloud. Like if someone was raped, or being pregnant is life threatening, they should have the option to get an abortion. I don't think it should be completely forbidden, but there needs to be stricter laws on it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Allowed* and yes, there are some instances where even I would condone it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree! Only about 1% of abortions are due to rape or incest though.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Laws wouldn't work. It would be virtually impossible to prove that it was rape, because only 2 people witnessed it and the man will deny it. If that was the law, there would also be people who weren't raped but who say they were to get an abortion.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Wow scrantoncity, it seems as if everytime you have some sort of argument on this site you repeat yourself until people get pissed and leave the argument. And abortion is a different circumstance with every woman and every fetus. You can't possibly be suggesting that the majority of those abortions were because two lovers were irresponsible and didn't use protection. My brother was the result of a birth control failure, and guess what? My mom didn't get an abortion. She went to law school while my father was in the army, she raised him by herself while working 30 hours a week and going to class. I myself believe that if I were to get pregnant, I would keep the child. And this is because I would be in the circumstance to support and love this child. But you, nor anyone else for that matter, will ever take away a womans right to abort a FETUS (not baby, fetus) if it is the right thing to do for her survival and if the baby would have a miserable life. Haven't you ever discussed Roe vs...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Wow scrantoncity, it seems as if everytime you have some sort of argument on this site you repeat yourself until people get pissed and leave the argument." HELLZ YA!!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wow, it seems like you've done nothing this entire argument. Except insult me. Good job.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yay! You finally posted something I agree with!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wade? It's a woman's right to privacy to have an abortion. What if a girl was raped by her father? You would "tolerate" that abortion but not accept it? And it is ignorant that you're suggesting the majority of woman getting abortions are atheist. You don't know that, and you will never know that for a fact. You should never tell someone they're going to hell for their actions, that's for God decide, not you. And yes, you're supposed to spread the word of the Gospel as a Christian, however you aren't supposed to tell people how to live their own damn lives. You only try to spread His word in hopes they will understand that God LOVES everyone. He does not want to scare them into becoming Christian by suggesting they'll be doomed to hell if they don't. Religion is about love an acceptance.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If I met you in person, I would give you a hug. Thank you for being the voice of reason.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes you just said it God loves everyone. The aborted baby or fetus or whatever you want to call it is part of everyone. Really to me calling it a fetus is not different then a child being called a toddler or infant; it is simply different terms for a child's development. That's like saying yeah she isn't a kid she is a pre-schooler.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's not a kid. To be a kid, it has to be a person. To be a person, it has to have a consciousness. To have a consciousness, it has to have been conscious at some point.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Way the hell more people starve to death in Africa but no one gives a damn about them. It is because anti-abortionists care more about preventing women from having happy, free, fulfilling lives than they care about saving lives.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We should feed the aborted fetuses to the Africans. That way, every "life" lost is another life saved. troll

by Anonymous 12 years ago

+1,000,000,000 Internets to you, my good sir.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

This has way too many comments for not being homepaged

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I concur.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think that discussing whether or not abortion is right blah blah blah is important. But honestly, it is a fetus. It is somewhere between the size of the tip of the pencil to some little dinosaur looking thing. Like mentioned earlier, there are people starving, there are people already born into this world that are dying. Why don't we take care of them first and THEN we can discuss abortion. Or better yet potentially, discuss abortion while we are doing it. Also, those people standing outside abortion clinics could be doing something more productive to help those already living outside their mothers womb. Am I saying abortion is right? Not really. But There are more important things right now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Amen! Here is someone who actually cares about life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, fair point.... Not. Why don't you, instead of getting into debates on the Internet, go do something productive. You can even get a job and give the money for all the starving children. With your logic, one could easily present a case of mass genocide. You should really rethink your argument, or I WILL validate genocide with it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Going to do something productive like make money and give it away, it's actually much more legitimate than being on debates on the internet. And, really, it is almost mass genocide that is being committed by people's apathy. Including my own. There are millions of people starving and dying for lots of reasons everyday. And are we doing everything we can to help them? No.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Do you know what genocide is? Are we systematically murdering them? No? It's not genocide; it is neglect. However, the murdering of the babies is genocide, so we should stop that, shouldn't we? I agree, doing something is productive is way better. So don't criticize others and then do the opposite, hypocrite.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"I agree, doing something is productive is way better. So don't criticize others and then do the opposite, hypocrite." That statement was really hypocritical. Just saying.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You misunderstood the point. Someone who spends all their time preventing abortion has no right to feel self righteous because they aren't doing anything productive or helpful. True, arguing on the internet doesn't usually saves lives either but nobody said it did. The point is people who spend time trying to stop abortion don't give a damn about anyone's life, they just want to feel self-righteous.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

no, that isn't the point. He said they shouldn't waste time like he says they are. Then, being the hypocrite he is, continually goes on the Internet to partake in trivial debates. Funny, do you even know what hypocritical means? I never said people shouldn't waste time. However, Soren did, yet he still wastes time.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You wasted time online criticized people for wasting time online. That is hypocritical. I will waste no more time arguing about this because you don't understand what I am trying to tell you and this debate is going no where. One can't be anti-abortion and pro-women's rights without being a hypocrite because they are two contrary views.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Woah, I called him a hypocrite, then explained why. I never said you shouldn't be wasting time online. Why can't you see this? So, suddenly, calling someone a hypocrite automatically makes you a hypocrite? Woah, you've just fabricated something new (redundant, I know)! Congrats.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I will waste no more time with this stupid irrelevant argument. Not the abortion argument; the which statement is hypocritical argument. You are wrong about both of them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Fetuses do use nutrients and circulate blood. However, they cannot survive independently. Therefore, they are part of the mother, and the mother gets to decide the future of the fetus. Also: things are considered alive when they have brain activity - this eliminated debate on whether an animal dies when its heart stops beating or when its last cell dies. Although I don't know when (if ever) fetuses have real thought, it can't be from the very beginning. All of which is not to say that abortion isn't an outcome to be avoided if at all possible, but it can be allowed.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Babies cant survive independently. Neither can mentally retarded people. Are you suggesting we murder them too? So plants aren't alive? I thought modern science shows they are very much alive. With all due respect, your argument sucked.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What I mean by "survive independently" is that fetuses cannot carry out the processes of life. This is different from mentally retarded people, who cannot function in our world without help but who can swallow something, digest it, and gain nutrients. Fetuses can't do this. Did you miss when I wrote "whether an ANIMAL dies"? Thanks for pointing out my typo - I should have mentioned I was talking about animals in the FIRST sentence of the second paragraph. However, my point is still valid and your comment about plants is not. Also, people would be a lot more open to considering your opinion if you didn't tell them that their arguments suck. That's just mean and unnecessary.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Those babies were aborted because there was no other choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Really? Every single one? Highly doubtful. Nay, there is always another choice. What about adoption?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sorry, I didn't mean every single one, but in some places other than US, children would rather die than go to an orphanage.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What happened to "there was no other choice?"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, sometimes there is no other choice... Children are usually sexually abused in Middle Eastern countries

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In orphanages.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm only talking about America here.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, but I wasn't... Well... I'm not with abortion, not against it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Do you have any idea how many babies are put up for adoption each year? You automatically assume that there is come wonderful family waiting for them, and maybe there is, but most of those poor kids do not end up living a wonderful life with wonderful parents. Also, it can take years for a person to adopt a child, sometimes things just aren't as black and white as scrantoncity seems to think they are.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Your+name+(optional)): So killing them is a better option? "Yo, hobos, I know that you don't enjoy your life, and as all the government housing is full.... So, sorry, but we've been ordered to kill you. But it's not your fault. It's just your circumstances." Yeah. Do that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, Abortion is very,very wrong. But don't bash America! This is a very safe Country.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lolnope

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Okay, Abortion is very,very wrong. But don't bash America! This is a very safe Country.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not bashing America... We're the best country in the USA!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ahahaha that was funny. You probably thought I was ignorant but I'm not.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Read this please, its an amazing article that show one perceptive of the hundreds. Consider the many reasons why abortion is around before calling it horrible, rather than one perceptive. http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/confronting-life/

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It just doesn't make sense to me that you can be so against abortions, yet you support condoms. They're the same thing, really, just at different stages. It's just stopping the potential for life, not ending a life. Abortion really isn't any worse than using any form of contraceptive, a man masturbating, or a woman going through her menstrual cycle without becoming pregnant. It's all just wasted potential. There will always be more, though.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

For every Abraham Lincoln that could have been born, there's a Hitler that could have been born. I hate when people argue either case because that portion of the abortion argument neutralizes itself.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Get over it. So many miscarriages happen every day that, most of the time, the woman probably didn't even know she was pregnant. What if one of them was the next Abe Lincoln? But I guess it's fine, since that foetus didn't grow enough for the woman to realise she was pregnant and then take the active decision of terminating the pregnancy. Does the fact that it was spontaneous make it more acceptable than if it was a decision that had to be made? Please, get off your soapbox and stop trying to preach about something you might not even have the anatomy to deal with.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

This video as well as some others by this user provide arguments that both pro-life and pro-choice people need to hear. Please watch these. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vckO-Tl5nEE&nomobile=1

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I don't want to argue about abortion, but I do think everything until the last sentence was true. There are countries of which half the newborns don't even survive, due to the conditions. I think that's worse than just a 30% abortion rate. Except for this high rate, the country's one of the safest on the planet. It's in the top countries to live in.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

People have the rights to do whatever they wish with their bodies. If someone is violating your body, you are, under self-defence, allowed to do whatever you must to make them stop. If a woman (or other) does not want to continue with their pregnancy, they should be allowed to terminate the pregnancy by removing the foetus, because this right to your body stands even if another person is in danger. Disagree? Consider if donating a kidney would save someone's life. Are they entitled to your kidney whether you want to give it or not, because their life is in danger? NO. It's your body. You are well within your rights to say "no" WITHOUT having to justify it, even if it kills that other person. Consent is ongoing, so having sex before is no reason to assume the person will be OK with the pregnancy later. Disagree? Well, if someone wants to stop having sex after agreeing to it, it becomes rape should the other person continue. Otherwise once you've said "yes", that person could do nigh anything to you and you wouldn't be allowed to withdraw consent. Therefore, a pregnant person should be able to terminate pregnancy at any point.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Actually, I think it would be more dangerous if all 55 million of those women had chosen to have their babies. The world is already overpopulated, and that creates a lot more problems than abortion does. I'm sure that comes across as cold to a lot of people, but I find it hard to defend the "right to life" of a clump of cells who can't feel or think when there are so many people in this world who are suffering due to problems caused by overpopulation. Like a lot of people have already said, there are reasons that not every pregnancy results in the birth of a baby. The world can't sustain population growth at the rate it's currently at, and we're already seeing this through social and environmental problems.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

This thread was so much more interesting with scranton's comments.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What if one of those kids were the next Abraham Lincoln? What if one of those kids were the next Hitler, The next Genghis Khan or the next Sadam?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think it's okay if it's medically necessary. But it's also a woman's choice, and I cannot take that away from her. I don't think it's okay though when some dumb bimbo teenage girl is spreading her legs (KNOWING she isn't using a condom), then she gets pregnant and aborts it. I just wanna tear my hair out at girls who do that. Wrap it before you tap it, you ignorant bitch. You knew the risks, but you decided to have sex anyway. You deserve to have that baby for being so careless and irresponsible.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Reading this, I sound ridiculously hypocritical. Saying it's a woman's choice but not okaying it for teenage girls? -_- Well like I said before to clear things up, it is a woman's choice. I cannot take that away from her, it just angers me when people don't take precautions when they have sex and then they abort.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Even if it is morally wrong people are still going to do it. So isn't it better to offer abortion as a safe, medical procedure than putting girls at risk performing them illegally themselves?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I have to comment on the argument "If you can't take care of a child it's irresponsible to have sex." I'm married. Can my husband and I afford a child right now? No. Do we want a child right now? No. Do we have sex? Yes. Do we use birth control? Yes. Could that birth control fail, resulting in a pregnancy? Yes. In an economic recession where more couples can't afford children, good luck trying to get couples to stop having sex simply because of a risk of pregnancy. It's not just teens who have abortions instead of unwanted babies. I, for one, am going to continue to make love to my husband.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If i remember correctly, almost half of all pregnancies are self aborted.

by Anonymous 12 years ago