If God really didn't want people to be gay, he wouldn't have made them gay, amirite?

I agree with what you're saying but this isn't really the best argument to use.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because they will insist that the people "choose" to be gay.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I assume by "they" you are referring to people who are homophobic. Nevertheless, this post is incorrect because a classical deity does not choose to create people's actions. The deity only choose to create people and they are free to do right or wrong, he doesn't force anybody to do anything.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I see your point, if you view sexuality as more of a personality thing. And love is wrong if it's the "wrong kind"?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't see sexuality as a characteristic somebody is created/made with. It's not genetic or anything of that nature.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is. It has to do with chemicals in the brain. Some people DO choose to be gay. SOME. The majority, however, doesn't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

First of all the i am assuming you mean do not not does not. There is no significant scientific evidence to suggest that sexuality is caused by a chemical/hormone imbalance. If sexuality was controlled by chemicals then it would be possible to inject someone with a chemical or hormone to make them change their sexuality, which doesn't happen.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@715007 (mouse4216): My opinion is that homosexuality is caused by psychological trauma, mainly, a lack of a strong father figure as an adolescent. Either way, the idea that it's a choice is stupid. Remember the kid that killed himself a few weeks back? I'm pretty sure he didn't choose to have to hide his feelings. Infact, he wouldn't have if religious nuts didn't speak THA WORD OF THA LORD all arond town. Ya know what i'm saying? I find the choice part comes in where the homosexual dresses like a woman and flames it up, so they can be identified as gay. It really isn't necessary, and it's rather annoying. Please, behave civilized, or GTFO. But that's just my opinion. However, please note, that homophobic means afraid of the same sex. Most "homophobic" guys aren't homophobic: they just don't like homosexuality.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That seems to be the most non-offensive answer that can be given. Unfortunately, a few big cheese religious gurus ruin the entire thing for those of us who don't preach fire and brimstone, and that causes most people to be biased against religion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not caused by "psychological trauma." I am gay, yet I had a very supportive and loving father and mother. Also, although I don't dress like a woman and have no desire to, some people like that kind of thing and we should all respect them for their choices.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's a choice...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

choose to be gay. right now. not much of a choice, is it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(ClaireTheBozo):what do you mean?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You can't prove or disprove if being gay is a choice so their isn't really a point of arguing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes you can prove it. I'm gay. I didn't choose to be. Therefore it is not a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That still doesn't prove anything. You can't prove that you don't choose to be homosexual. In fact the only thing we can prove according to Rene Descartes is that we exist.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

More that our consciousness exists than anything, but essentially his point.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You can choose to show your attraction to men or ignore it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

will you shut up. the difference between me and u is i actually state my opinions as a hypothesis. your in 8th grade and you think wat u say is fact. u dont know shit so at least phrase your opinions like it

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lmao. "your in 8th grade" Your argument of intelligence is invalid due to crap grammar.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

When did i ever state anything? It was a challenge. I challenged him to choose to be gay. If being gay is just a choice, why don't you try choosing to be gay, and then just choose to be straight again? It should just be that easy, shouldn't it? Again, I never stated anything. And you'd be surprised how much an 8th grader can learn if she researches correctly.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

homosexuality, i choose you!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

lmfao

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Amen to that. I'm in 8th grade and was able to perfectly understand a PhD's jokes about sugar and its reactions to the human body.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ha.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is not a choice at all, idiot. Did you choose to be straight? There's these things called hormones, ever heard of them? They control who we feel attracted to. Trust me, if I could choose to be straight, I would.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I feel the need to kill some people i stop myself don't I? some don't and claim they where born to kill... they have no control over their desire and same with pedophiles and rapists. Fuck you negga

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is not the same thing at all. First of all, you have proven that you are unintelligent by using a racial slur, and misspelling it. Can you choose not to be attracted to someone? Didn't think so.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

not to input something totally unimportant and useless, but he didnt use a racial slur. 'negga' doesnt mean anything at all. unless he is a neologist, then it isnt a racial slur.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Killing people has a negative consequence for society. Being gay doesn't have that negative of a consequence for society.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

are you being serious right now?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes. Refute my argument. I could use a good laugh.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(eldorito):People who practice homosexuality experience higher rates of many diseases, including: Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Hepatitis A, B and C Gonorrhea Syphillis Gay Bowel syndrome HIV/AIDS Bacterial vaginosis People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of: Alcohol abuse Drug abuse Nicotine dependence Depression Suicide Domestic violence for more visit http://www.evangelical.us/homosexuality/questions/homosexuality-harm-society.html

by Anonymous 13 years ago

He said that being gay didn't have a negative effect for society, idiot.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The first part I agree with, but the second part is caused by homosexual-targeted bullying. Bullying leads to depression, which obviously leads to the alcohol, drugs, nicotine, and suicide. The domestic violence is also a side-effect of depression, caused by the person projecting his/her emotions onto more acceptable targets of behavior. People who murder and rape cause depression in the victims or the families of the victims. Rape can screw somebody up for life. Also, you focus on the self being the victim. In cases of murder and rape, the offender goes to jail. When people go to jail, they frequently get depressed, which leads to suicide. When the offender is a murderer, he/she may be put on death row, which will certainly lead to death for the offender. Run and tell that, HOME BOY!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not true. If we look at places in which homosexuality is accepted, such as The Netherlands (gay marriage is legal there) and San Fransisco, we find that the greater the acceptance of homosexual behavior, the higher the rate of the above negative consequences. Accepting homosexual behavior makes it worse! Run and tell THAT, home boy!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

next time, don't use a website with "evangelical" in your argument against homosexuality. Furthermore, let's just get on with it and let me tell everyone you're gay. Your profile picture tells us you have feminine qualities, because of your hand gesture. The fact that you said "negga", tells us that you like to mix words to make them sound more attractive, also a feminine quality. Finally, you're fighting against homosexuality on a website that really isn't all that popular. Obviously, you hate yourself and just can't deal. ;)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

why would i try harder then i should when i can just click and have all the facts at my fingertips?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What's a negga?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

a horrible, idiotic spelling of an offensive word.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, gotcha. That's guy's a phaggit.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

just... no.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Your profile is about dandelions. I'm not taking you too seriously.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so? what do you have against dandelions?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Fuck Dandelions.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

fuck you. and, i just looked at your profile; you shouldnt be talking.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hahah, calm down dandelions. It's not dat seriouz dawg.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

want to add legit to that horrifying sentence?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It was a jokeee. Gah, don't feel arguing over stupid shit.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Fuck You, thats all I have to say to close-minded people like you. Fuck You Fuck You Fuck YOU! My homosexual friend committed suicide on April 7, 2011. He did it because of people like you. FUCK YOU!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm sorry for your friend, he is gone we can't do anything about that now, but there are others out there that need God the sad reality of the fact is your friend is now in hell but others still have a chance to be saved, I really don't know how to convey this so you might understand so I'm saying it as it is... I'm sorry I don't mean to be a stumbling stone but I really don't know how else I can attempt to help... but what your friend was doing was wrong even still. That doesn't mean he could not have changed and found happiness but this situation clearly shows he has not... and do not tell me it's because of persecution you very well know that Christians are one of the more persecuted people, just because you don't see in in usa but they are my grandparents and parents are from formal USSR who have persevered the atheist regime, this serves as an example of people who found a way out in God and not commited the unfortunate and the selfish action of suicide...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

he probably commited suicide because of people like you, who tell everyone that god will accept you no matter what, and then tell gays that their going to burn in hell. love is love, whether your gay, straight, lesbian, interracial, whatever. you can't help who your attracted to, and the least people like you can do is accept them, not bully them and tell them their wrong.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Is he did he is in hell begging God to be send back to the world and confess his wrong to everyone and warn people and try to save other who are heading the same way.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

because you've been to hell and you know right? because Anonymous' friend is telling you this right now, right? i didn't think so.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Nope, read the rich man and lazarus parable. I hope you already know what it is, if you are apposing my position i would expect you to know it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

i will not be reading any passage from the bible, as i never have. i am apposing your position because you have absolutely no way of knowing what that guy/girl's friend is thinking, if thinking at all. and i dont need to read any thing from any millenia-old book to know that.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Sad life you have there...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

and that is the only response you can think of. why don't you start giving us some actual facts, instead of shoving your beliefs down people's throat. then maybe i'll listen to you.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm not trying to do that I don't want any idiots representing my God. Go take a hike.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

your god? oh, i get it, so now god is yours. you are trying to do that, your trying to change gay's beliefs. go jump in a fiery volcano.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well aaaaaannnnyyyywhoooooooo, have a good life.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

i will. because i accept people for who they are.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

tell that to a rapist, a murderer, adulterer and a homosexual, makes them feel like they are doing the right thing.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

except if you had been reading this entire conversation, you would have noticed that im not telling that to a rapist, murderer, or adulterer. but i am telling it to a homosexual, because they are doing the right thing, being who they are.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

and a killer is being someone else? if you ask them they will try and tell you they are not guilty like the norway shooter she says he did the right thing!! and is not guilty. they are being "themselves" and in Christianity you have to "deny" yourself if I was myself I'd probably be a killer too. I've been treated like shit in this life and would want some revenge, only thing holding be back is that I know everyone will get what they deserve in full in the after life, except Christians they get what they don't deserve the grace of God. well you probably won't understand my position but I've been in your position even worse having practiced homosexuality, i know your position and it makes me want to cry...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

a killer is being someone else. being gay is between 2 consenting people who are in love and are not harming eachother in any way. killing is specifically harming someone, without their consent. its very different. as is rape, molestation, adultering, etc. and that is very disurbing that you would be a killer if you were yourself, i am sure that i would not kill anyone ever, whether i was myself or not.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But how are they not themselves? and yes they are harming eachother are you not aware of the many strictly homosexual diseases, and do you think the anal cavity was created for jabbing a penis up it? NOOOOO. and cases abuse in homosexual relationships by far exceed that of normal pairs by far. there is a lot i'm not mentioning right now, and there is a lot i still don't know.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

just because gay couples get deseases, doesn't mean straight couples don't get deseases, doesn' mean lesbian couples don't get deseases. it doesn't matter who you are with, there is always going to be STD's, and tons of other illnesses you can get. it's not fair at all to specify the deseases you can get from being gay, when there are deseases you can get from everything. and i certainly don't believe you when you say abuse is up farther in gay couples than straight couples, as you failed to give a website link, or any other sort of evidence that this is true. and if you do, make sure the website is liable first, because there's plenty of bullshit on the web.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I never excluded the existence of diseases in hetero sexual relationship but if you look st the statistics the difference is MASSIVE

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No, it's not - homosexual males have a higher rate of STDs than heterosexual males, but homosexual females have a far lower rate of STDs than heterosexual females. If you want to compare rates, let's compare it for females for once. If your theory that homosexuality causes diseases, it should hold up for both males and females.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

i just love how you keep telling us all this, instead of giving website links, or any sort of hard evidence. stop giving us bullshit.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

what's the point? you're just gonna deny it anyway, do your own research.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

i already did my research. im just waiting for you to actually put some effort into it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I have done more research then I think I need to, anything that you think you know and I don't that may change my mind?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

nope. i can tell that you're very biased. im saying that making such outspoken and hated comments like the ones you made deserve some fact to go along with it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

i think people are gay because they want to go against society. if gay people were raised to think they should be with the same sex im sure they would want to be with the other sex. its just a lifestyle like being a redneck. stop treating it like some incredible from birth personality trait.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am gay. My parents are straight. I was raised without knowing what a gay person was until the age of 11. I have no desire whatsoever to go against society or be gay. If I could be straight I would.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You have absolutely no evidence of your claim.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't think he meant it to be serious. It's such a ridiculous theory, that I can't positively believe that it's meant to be serious...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

it is a choice. The main reason guys are gay is because they are a little feminine. I would imagine they were bullied in earlier years (high school) therefore, they believe they are gay.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am gay. It was not a choice. i am not even in high school yet. I believe I am gay because I am attracted to other guys. I am not in the least bit feminine.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Maybe because you have never had luck with girls..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You, my friend, are not very intelligent. When others my age started to become attracted to girls, I became attracted to guys. I never desired girls and never will.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're right; that's why He didn't make them gay.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I support gay rights, but this isn't a very good argument. You could just as easily replace the word 'gay' with 'murderers', 'pedophiles', 'rapists' etc. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but this post (at least without elaboration) is not logical.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No you couldn't, because in most cases, being a murderer is a choice. Being gay is not.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, take out murderers and rapists then. What about pedophiles?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Idiot... Being a pedophile is a choice...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you say that 'gay' refers to the attraction to the same gender, not the act of homosexual sex itself, and therefore uncontrollable, I could say that being a pedophile refers to the attraction to minors, not the actual act, and is equally uncontrollable. I don't think you can justifiably say that being gay is not a choice while being a pedophile is.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Alright, being a pedophile isn't a choice. I incorrectly assumed you meant the action. I don't think it's wrong, unless you act on your impulses.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What evidence is there to support your claims?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Murdering someone is an action, so they could stop themselves from doing it. As I stated before, I am gay and it was not a choice. Pedophiles choose to do stuff to children.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

see comment 714998 I posted seconds ago.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I mean what evidence is there that being gay isn't a choice? For all we know, you could be deluded, or have some influential factor in your childhood. I say it's a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

To the dumbasses who think being gay is a choice: When did you choose to be straight? You didn't. You just realized one day, whether you were 5 or 10 or 15, that you liked a certain gender. Being gay is not a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well said.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*Helps out wit the slow clap.*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*Helps turn into an applause*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*no offense, but you just killed it. the first one was funny*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What evidence is there to support this claim?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What evidence is there to disprove this claim?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's up to the person making the claims to back it up, coincidentally.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I L L S A Y I T N I C E A N D S L O W F O R Y O U. I A M G A Y. I D I D N O T C H O O S E T O B E.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'll say it to you to your face; being gay is a choice. It's your word against mine. It's gay's word against others. There is no evidence either way, so it's up for debate. However, since my Creator wouldn't call something a sin, then force that person to sin, it's a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

THERE IS EVIDENCE. I AM GAY. I DIDNT CHOOSE TO BE. I HATE BEING GAY. I WISH I WASNT, BUT I AM.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Weren't* Also, look at ChosenToLead; are you calling him a liar? Perfect example of how it's a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I AM CALLING HIM A LIAR, AND I DONT CARE ABOUT GRAMMAR SO SHUT UP.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How about I question your integrity? Your calling him a liar certainly validates the questioning, if not verifies the theory itself. That being shown, there is a greater probability of his being right than yours, based on actions, thoughts, feelings, and maturity.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't see how, but I'll just let you wallow in your demented logic...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You know scranton, you're likely going to hell. Why? Because no one wants to be a christian because of you. Understand? You're going to hell, with all the gays, who will sodomize the shit out of you. literally.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You know, hortatory, you're likely going to hell, A: because you've sinned and B: you're not a Christian. Sorry, buddy. You know, have I used the Bible to prove anything outside its validity? No? Hmm. I'm pretty sure it qualifies as the authority on God, so using it there is no problem. Just like you use the Bible as the authority on God, you'd use Harry Potter as the authority on Dumbledore, in which you find he isn't gay. Also, even if you're not lying about your "oh I got a 100!!!" project, you obviously didn't understand it. Also, do you even know what the Bible says about hell? No? Don't condemn other, you illegitimate liar.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm pretty sure you've been condemning homosexuals this whole time. Do us a favor: GTFO amirite, go get a girlfriend.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, I have. You know why? Because the Bible actually talks about them. Did it mention me by name? No? Then don't act you know anything, heathen.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"He who is without sin, cast the first stone" - John 8:7. Bitch.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, because that totally holds relevance here. Also Luke six contains verses like that. That doesn't mean anything, fool. Does the Bible say people who tell someone something is a sin are sinning? No? Hmm. Well, you don't know the first thing about my religion, yet you've said it doesn't do something when it does, you've said it does something it doesn't, and you've google searched something to appear intelligent. I don't know about you but I'd say you're kinda failing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How does that not mean anything? Is your bible better than mine?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Honestly, using capslock won't get your point across better. Just sayin'

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sorry, ingrained habit.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay easy question I chose to be straight a couple year ago. I see you assume for some reason that i didn't, why?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

BECAUSE YOU CANT. Sexual orientation is not a choice, it's a pre-determined outcome of our lives.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How are YOU gonna tell me that when I DID? you idiot...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You didn't you're obviously lying...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i think the 7 people that voted this down says enough. the one that voted you up was probably yourself...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So you believe in some deity?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do, but I'm talking about a scientific factor here.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh. But that doesn't make any sense. Some gene trigger? Well then, why haven't they found this so-called trigger?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not a scientist, I don't know. I'm simply saying that it's not a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Evidence?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am gay. It was not a choice. I'm getting tired of telling you this repeatedly...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That isn't evidence, buddy. I'm straight, it is a choice. ChosenToLead was gay, now he's not. So, according to you, everyone who disagrees with you is a liar. THAT must be an easy debate to win. Oh, you disagree with me? LIAR! What, you think differently? LIAR!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Try to choose to be gay. What? You can't? I thought so. I think ChosenToLead is a liar because I have never heard of something like this happening, and it was very convenient for his argument.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Do you know everyone on the planet? I've heard several accounts of this. Basically, you're saying anyone who disagrees with you must be lying. That's sad that you really believe that. I could choose to be gay, more than likely. However, I have no wish to as A: it's lust, B: it's a sin, and C: Girls are sooooo good looking.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A: I don't care B: I disagree C: I disagree

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Will just use some Christianese for you here scrantoncity. Being homosexual is neither a choice or genetically disposed or environment or all the 'worldly' excuses we use. It is part of the spiritual battle, and is not a person's choice, however we do have control over what we accept. Therefore if we don't accept God, we accept sin and all of this stuff. You can't go round telling people it was their choice when your not preaching truth and they have no contrary evidence. Arguing with people will not show them God, it will show them your weaknesses.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

While you propose an interesting theory, I'm afraid I have to disagree. Arguing with people will, no doubt, make me hated, but if I can spread the teensiest amount of doubt that there HAS to be a deity, then that's a start, and they may be more receptive to people actually capable of using tact. I'm no good at that, especially over the internet. I can do it in real life, and I'm working on one of my friends, but eh. We can only present the truth; it's up to them to accept it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ah, I see, you're one of those people that forces their religion on people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who's really forcing their opinion on someone: The Government funded religion called evolution presented as fact in schools, or the self-motivated, scientifically factually religion explained to people who wish to listen. I believe forcing a religion is A: Giving them no choice but to study it (Public Schools) or B: Giving them no choice but to use it to validate other theories (Science.) Did you know the scientific community won't even allow conclusions supporting Creation? If the scientists come up with those, they are discredited and trashed. However, 85% of the scientific community attests to having seen someone fudge some facts to match evolution. Who's forcing a religion on someone? Certainly not me; check the school textbooks.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's beside the point. I'm talking about YOU, not the government.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This is like saying if God didn't want people to sin he wouldn't have made them that way. I see your point, but God gave us the ability to choose between right and wrong. It clearly states in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm pretty sure that Bible also says all sins are equal. What's your point?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What is yours? Yes, a sin is a sin. So shouldn't you try to keep from doing it? I never said it was worse than any other sin, I never said go and commit other sins just not this one.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't care if it's a choice or not (personally I don't think it's a choice, I've comforted a gay friend who was in tears about how he didn't want to be gay) but in this day and age, you should be able to do what you want, love who you want, as long as it's not hurting anyone else, and someone loving someone they share a gender with DOES NOT hurt you. It might be against your religion, but that's not EVERYONE's religion, so please don't push it on other people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You, my friend, are a very epic person.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Anyone saying being homosexual is always a choice is ignorant and should really stfu. As someone who's actually taken college human sexuality courses, let me assure those who are willing to learn something that people who claim to have been born gay or lesbian generally have brains which chemically resemble the other gender- lesbians tend to have "masculinized" brains, while gay men have "feminized" brains. Virtually no one is raised from an early age to entertain the idea of loving their own gender, and statistically children raised by gay parents are no more likely to be gay than those raised by straight parents. Yes, *some* people choose to play at being gay or bi, but the ones who've always felt that way ABSOLUTELY WERE BORN THAT WAY, and there's no reason to think otherwise unless you're a religious freak desperately trying to make your imaginary friend seem infallible. Sorry, you fail. It's also disgusting to compare gays to criminals; the difference is, murderers, rapi...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

... rapists, and child molesters are HURTING PEOPLE, you morons... not loving another consenting adult. It's pathetic to even think of that analogy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

thank you for being the first person with some actual evidence.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People who said no way or oppose this idea: please explain how a man marrying another man, or a woman marrying another woman interferes your rights and disturbs your everyday life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree with you, but I don't think God decides your sexuality it just happens.(oh and I'm not saying it's a choice.)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

it doesn't the only time a gay person would influence your life is if they were attracted to a non gay person and it would make things really awkward, but not everything god created goes according to how he had intended, all 10 commandments are broken everyday

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@715257 (garrettruskamp): Excellent analogies, you two. That was the exact point I was trying to convey Garrettruskamp, you were spot on.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

anytime

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you don't have to agree with gay people but you don't have to be a douche and make them feel like shit. a human is a human... it's how they were born. people who are against gays and lesbians are just ignorant, you can't change them so just leave them be.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Let me just say this. I am gay, and I wish I wasn't. If I had a choice I would have chosen to be straight. Unfortunately, I didn't. It is not a choice, and I am living proof.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's the not retarded shit I've ever heard. It's like saying "if god didint want murderers, he wouldn't have made them that way" He let's you CHOOSE your life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But being gay isn't a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

When I was at church once, i had my hand on someone with scoliosis (from birth) and I felt their spine move to be completely straight and it was incredible. I don't know why his back was like that but God must have had a reason. If you're saying you're born gay then why don't you go to church and ask a pastor about it, not these blockheads from the internet

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not asking anyone about it. I don't need to, I know it's true.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You said you didn't have a choice and you wish you weren't gay, so what are you doing here? complaining to everyone? i was saying that you might need some help. everyone needs help. surgeons can't stitch themselves up

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not complaining to everyone, I'm telling people that sexual orientation is not a choice. Therefore, I believe I can't be straight, so therefore I don't need help.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

thank u for actually knowing what u r talking about. :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

He doesn't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I bet scrantonshitty is off trying to find a way to refute what my friend learned at university LOL good luck to his ignorant ass. I bet he makes his equally fascist parents sooo proud with all his narrow-minded moralizing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You rock.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

simply put, youre an ass. however, if you had phrased that in a way that respected your opponent, i would agree with you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hypocrite. "Had you phrased that in a way that respected your opponent..."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God didn't make them gay!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, we didn't choose to be.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You have no evidence.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do. I am gay. I did not choose to be.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I meant a scientific reason gay people are the way they are.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You should have elaborated. I don't have one. I only have logic and common sense.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How is it logic? I could say, "underwear can cause cancer!" because most (if not all) people who have cancer wear underwear. I can claim this is logical, but without scientific evidence, it's just ridiculous.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, it's not. What I said is perfectly logical, if you just think about it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Explain to me how it's logical? I can't see any logic in it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

To disprove the statement "Homosexuality is a choice" you need only one case to the contrary. Bean_Delphiki is claiming to be that case. The underpants/cancer analogy, on the other hand, is completely illogical, even disregarding the lack of scientific evidence. You can 'claim' it is logical, but you'd be wrong. Bean_Delphiki can safely claim to be logical. There is always the chance, however, that Bean_Delphiki is mistaken or lying.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank you. I can try to assure you I'm not lying, but there's no way to prove that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What if I said being a Christian wasn't a choice? Does that make it fact? No, just because one person believes something doesn't make it fact.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, actually, it isn't. That is an observational study. Ask any statistician; an observational study CANNOT attribute causation. Thus far, we have no idea. So, I stick with what our Creator says; homosexuality is fault of one's own, and a sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't believe it's a sin, because the Bible was written by people, not by God. It's not a fault, either. Now, why don't you go hang out with your nonexistent friends, you ignorant homophobe.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Scranton, I love how you are completely logical and talk about how there's no evidence that homosexuality is a choice etc. then sneak in 'facts' like quoting our creator. "What evidence is there to support your claims?"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

should read "...is *not* a choice..."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That was the most eloquent and non-offensive, but still epic, wicked burn I've read in awhile. Mad kudos! XD

by Anonymous 13 years ago

He was for me, idiom.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

He's (or she's) an idiom? Interesting.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Let's say, hypothetically, that homosexuality is a choice. Would this matter? Would this change anything? Is there reason, beyond a few sentences in a millennia old book, to think that homosexuality is wrong? It seems to me that whether it is a choice or not is irrelevant, and that this whole debate is more a distraction than anything else. Only a small minority believes EVERYTHING that is in the Bible, and we all know about the horrible things it condones. The statement "Homosexuality is wrong" shouldn't be taken any more seriously than the statement "The Earth is 6000 years old".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The reason that people don't like homosexuality is because it's in their book of rules and morals A.K.A. the bible. Not sayin it's right, but saying Homosexuality is wrong has a lot more behind it then "The Earth is 6000 years old" which is false statement no matter how you put it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(:)): The belief that the Earth is 6000 years old originates from the Bible as well, actually. And I know that the Bible is the reason people think homosexuality is wrong, the Bible was the millennia old book I was referring to in the first paragraph.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also, God did not write the bible. I'm sure some people lied or made things up or were mistaken.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thanks xD That guy annoys me so much... he's like that irritating fly that won't quit buzzing in your ear... same monotone droning crap all the time, no one likes him, and he gives you the urge to smash him flat. You notice he's still ignoring both the actual scientific evidence, AND a fellow person of faith who's telling him that he's DOING IT WRONG. Not that he cares; I'm sure imaginary friends are very comforting and cuddly. Btw, moron(yes, you, scrantoncity), not only homosexuals have lust. To desire sex with someone of the opposite gender is just as lustful; must you keep proving how stupid you are over and over?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

the comment wars have already begun.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Bit late.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

True. It took me quite a while to find my comment again.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Idiom? Lawl... anyway. Yes, he's religious, but he also told you(like Gregori said) that YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. He said you're NOT speaking truth, and that the way you argue with people shows weakness. The burn became all the more epic because you didn't even realize you got burned. Honestly, the way your thought process works is fascinating.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Of course, he wouldn't approve of a scientific study of it. Darn shame.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'M LAYING IT STRAIGHT OUT RIGHT NOW: YOU ARE A FUCKING IDOT IF YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ha, don't mean to sound angry.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Straight to the point, I like it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That guy brings out the ass in me *shrug* Argue with him once or twice, and then tell me he's the kind of person who shows respect and responds to reason... lol You have to earn respect, and he does not.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah... www.bible.ca is a REALLY unbiased source of info. Guess what; wrong again, dumbass. Based on that, gay parents would have more gay children, and statistically this isn't the case. Try again.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You could say cancer is meant to be here, or AIDs is meant to be here because god "If God didn't want them he wouldn't have made them" Also, I don't really about gay rights etc. (I'm neutral) but I had to point out how awful this arguement.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lolololol god . Lololol . Gays ftw ;] <3

by Anonymous 13 years ago

=D

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why is it that there is never any middle ground when it comes to homosexuality? People either worship them or treat them like crap.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's a touchy subject.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i would like to se people argue this scientifically. i'm religious but I'm not going to use the bible as clear proof because it is not accepted by everyone. So... who wants to talk genetics?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I guess the general public doesn't know very much about the science behind it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How about you back the fuck off? What are you, his mom? You're just making him look more pathetic. He can take care of himself and doesn't need you being overprotective. Here's the thing: if anyone states any kind of scientific fact that doesn't agree with scrantoncity's religious beliefs, he will either *try* to discredit it with bible quotes and religious propoganda(and ignore that it doesn't work), or ignore it like it isn't there and just keep butting his head against the wall of reason. If the possibility of gaining someone's agreement through presentation of rational arguements and facts doesn't exist, as is obviously the case with this guy, then arguing with him is pointless... which is why I insult instead. Much more fun, and I personally am not fond of beating my head on the wall. =P

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Even though you were uh insulting me, at least you tried to show kmxkswk235529 some reason, and leave me alone. Not everyone is as helpless and pathetic as she.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

kay is not helpless or pathetic. you are. now stfu and leave kay alone

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*bows deeply*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

( . Y . ) Hehe boobies ^_^

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Being Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual and wishing to be the opposite sex=/=a choice. Hormones just work differently in homosexual people. A straight persons hormones make them attracted to the opposite sex. A bisexual persons hormones make them attracted to both men and women. A gay or lesbian persons hormones make them attracted to the same sex. There is nothing wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender. It's not rocket science homophobes.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm confused. Are you saying being gay is a choice? Because i'd disagree. Otherwise, I agree completely.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nope. I'm saying being gay isn't a choice. Sorry for any confusion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Um, no... that's not what hormones are, or what they do. Thanks for the support, but seriously it doesn't help when people post blatantly wrong things like that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Those looking for scientific explanations; see my first post, then research it for yourself if you don't believe. I didn't learn that in a church; I learned that in a lecture hall.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ahhh shit you guys...being gay is not a choice. Acting on your attraction? Yeah, that is, but whther you act on it or not you're still gay. And honestly, I don't see how past experiences can warp your brain into legitimately liking the same gender. Hey-but maybe I'm wrong, so please don't explode on me...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And you say it's a sin, but not everyone is a Christian. We should be talking about whether it's morally right, because that is much more relevent.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Zomg being gay is a sin ?! Lol . I'm going to be shunned by "god" . Oh no . Boo hoo . Not . Who gives a fuck ? NOT ME ;] We should have a huge orgy party . Or am I going to be shunned for that too ?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

why even talk about this crap. People arent gonna listen anyway.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so maybe being gay isn't a choice. however, acting upon homosexual thoughts (lusting over someone of the same sex or having sexual relations with someone of the same sex) is a choice. just like i can choose whether or not i'm going to think about having sex with someone of the opposite sex. this, the homosexual actions, is a sin. whether or not you choose to believe that is up to you. i won't try to force it on you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is not even considered a sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lusting over someone is most definitely a sin

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't think people always try to have sexual thoughts. It is not a sin, it is a natural part of life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What are gay people suposto do ? Live without someone to love . And without sex ? Nahhh . No thankss . I like sex . Andd love . Kaii thanks .

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you just have to make the choice of whether you want to be happy for 70 or so years or if you would rather be happy for an eternity. this is just based on my beliefs, i know that some people don't believe in God or heaven, and so this comment probably wouldn't mean much to them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ok so what if I listen to you ? And I don't act on my lesbianness and I get to to heaven . What's the point ? I'm still going to be a lesbian in heaven . Why would I want to live an eternity if I had noone to love ? Id rather live 70 years with love than an eternity with no love .

by Anonymous 13 years ago

no one actually knows what heaven is like; however, God promised eternal happiness. so i guess that means you would be happy even without a lover, as if all of our earthly desires will no longer be important. i don't really know for sure, and that is where faith comes in to play.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

id rather sin with gay love . Just in caseee . Ya know .

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yeah i can understand that; i just don't agree.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lol I love you. (No hetero).

by Anonymous 13 years ago

the only one you'll be loving in heaven is God and trust me that's far more than enough.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You assume everyone is a Christian. Stop hiding in your religion and discuss things in a way everyone can relate to.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree, but hate the way you typed it out.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Gay people are gay because they are more attracted to the same.....FAGs

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Get a life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It clearly states in the bible, that homosexuality is a sin and it abrupts the idea of babies being made..i think people's raging hormones make them think they are gay and then after puberty they just accept the fantasies that was caused by their hormones, which by the way, everyone has...so I don't really think people are gay I just think they are turned on by the idea of being gay and fantasies with the same sex..and this is normal for hormonal teens, they just believe these, which will stop after puberty, makes them gay..when they probably are not....I don't know; this is just my theory though..

by Anonymous 10 years ago