How come God can just be, but the universe can't? Why do the origins of the universe require an explanation, but those of God don't? I guess it's true that there is always a double standard, amirite?

God > Universe

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Says who?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religious people. :P

by Anonymous 13 years ago

still using that 'if you can't see it, it's not there' theory?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, actually.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, those who believe in God think the universe just is because God made it that way. But those who believe in Science instead of God, they try to find the reason in it. Therefore, you can't really compare the two.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yet, when a scientist simply says that he cannot answer a question due to a lack of evidence, proof, etc., the religious person then argues that there must obviously be a God then.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, obviously because that's what we believe in. Sorry for us believing that there is a supernatural force that explains everything. :/

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I can explain everything. Would you believe me though?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am a man of God as well as a man of science. I do think everything has an explanation. The Bible, a book we strongly believe in, proves our God real. But, I think God made everything so it works. I would, in fact, believe you if you told me anything, if you had proper back-up. The only reason some people think the Bible is not proof enough is that they do not BELIEVE in our God, therefore do not believe in the Bible. I believe everything, indeed, does have a reason. But there are things I can not explain that I hope I am able to in the future. So, in response to your question and getting back on topic, yes, I would believe you, if you had proof that would make me believe.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, the bible has been rewritten so many times now that it's no where near close to the original. It's like writing a non-fiction book, and then writing a hundred different copies where each one varies from the next an saying, "but it's the truth!"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Which Bible are you talking about? Because if you look at any Torah, and I mean ANY Torah, from one in America to one in Germany, it'll be exactly the same.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, the KJV, for example, is nothing like the original versions in Hebrew or Greek, even though it's supposed to be the most accurate. If you understood these languages and had read those versions, you would know better.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What's the KJV?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The bible was not originally written in English. That's why biblical scholars have spend time studying the original languages of the bible for proper translation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*slow claps*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You seem reasonable, I mean I am agnostic-but I do believe we can have a creator. If there is a creator then there is most definitely science behind it, its just way beyond us. What I dont understand is, why cant people be christian as well as believe in science-Scrantoncity for example, absolutely refuses to believe that all elements came from stars. Though it is a simple truth. Every atom in your body came from a star, and just because someone believes that doesnt necessarily mean they believe in God any less-it just doesnt go straight with the bible and I guess people dont like that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

good point, but how can you be sure the bible is the truth? I mean a real holy book could have been lost and the bible was made to replace it. Just a possibility.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Scientists have found over a thousand original texts of the bible. All of these texts were word for word exactly the same

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God: a supernatural force with limitless power, unbound by physical laws. The universe: a creation; a product of some occurrence, governed by unbreakable laws. God doesn't have the laws of physics binding Him like the universe.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There you are, right on cue...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'll assume you're talking to me.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religious people see something they can't explain, and instead of searching for the answer, they immediately assume it's god's work. "where knowledge ends, religion begins".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And apparently, knowledge ends WAY faster with religion around.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think the most beautiful idea is that WE got ourselves to where we are today-evolving from apes-if you think about it, that's incredible. There are species on earth that havnt evolved much since then, but US we came so far. Thats amazing, but religion wont have it. They keep people from the true wonder. I'm agnostic and I think there can be a creator, just in no way the biblical sense. I think that religion for some people is a lot easier than facing the true amazement of reality. Like every atom in your body came from a supernova, thats fucking awesome-some people cant handle it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why is it so amazing that we've evolved more than any other animal, that we've come this far? We have a sense of right and wrong and we're not controlled by our instincts except the instinct to survive, and even that not in a robotic sense like that of an animal.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well I mean think about it. We evolved from apes and now we are highly intelligent beings with minds of our own, and we have come far enough to contemplate the universe and learn what it really is-doesnt that seem like more of an achievement than just being created? Even before life came to be on earth or even before the earth came to be. All of the elements that formed us were inside stars-now we exist.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The way I see it, is that we know how matter works, we know that it can't just appear out of nowhere. However, we don't know how all powerful beings work, and thus it is possible for God to just appear.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Even the universe has no real explanation for it's origins. It's something about a super atom exploding. Where did that super atom come from? nobody knows. Where did God come from? Nobody knows.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

and that, in a nutshell, would be OP's point...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just because you can explain it, doesn't mean that God didn't do it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean God did it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There has to be a first cause. How did you come about? You were born from you parents. How did they come about? They were born from their parents. And on and on. If you want to go with the theory that we descended from apes - how did they come about? Evolution. How did those first land-crawlers come about? The water. How did that come about? The Big Bang. How did that come about? Atoms colliding or whatever it is. How did atoms come about? And on and on until you can't go back any further - and there you find an omnipotent, not-bound-by-time Being beyond our comprehension that was Always Here - for whom "always" doesn't exist because time is something man-made.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The earth and every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. Elements were formed in the furnace of stars, the stars eventually implode and send stardust all about-which formed the earth and about everything on it. You can beleive this and still beleive in an intelligent creator. You just have to look on the larger scale, because if there is an intelligent creator-he made billions of these- http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap991114.html Each one with the potential to house life I am agnostic but believe there can be intelligent creatior, but I most definitely do not believe in the bible. I believe this creator would have set things in motion, but it is not a being that would torture you in hell for not believing in it-that is just absurd.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Alright then about the star thing, thanks for telling me. I didn't know that before. When the bloody hell did I say it'd torture someone for not believing in it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I didnt say that you said the torture thing, but isnt that the general idea of Christianity? It tells children that they would go to hell for not believing, and that everything that isnt of christianity is unholy and a sin. I was just comparing my idea of an intelligent creator with that of Christianity's God. I am not saying christians are bad or anything, I have friends that are christians. Some people are just so extreme about it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well... I'm not Christian, so...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also just to go with the Galaxy thing. If there is a god, them I am certain that he would want you to learn about the universe and understand how it works. Like, the more science /physics that you know-the closer you can be to god.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

-shrug- He probably does but right now that's not my spiritual focus. I mean I'm interested in science but right now I have other stuff going on.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This is some food for thought: A newborn baby is as old as the cosmos, the form is new-but the materials are billions of yeas old.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Here is the most simplistic response I can give you: What created the creator? Everything must have a beginning, right?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Except for the Creator. It's a hard concept to grasp and, I would imagine, sounds like absolute bull to someone who isn't religious, but personally while it might be hard for me to grasp in my mind as a human, I know it in my heart.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

thanks OP. i've kinda grown weary that this is a point that virtually all "Science vs. creation" debates boil down to, and that people just don't see the parallel.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah a lot of christians think that all scientists are just out to disprove them and draw them away from god. But I think science and religion could coexist. I mean if there is a god, wouldnt he want you to learn about galaxies and the universe?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

exactly...i just took a class on religion, science, and magic in western history, and religion and science were good buddies for longer than many people realize.

by Anonymous 13 years ago