+301 people should really stop complaining about Obama, would you rather we bring back the last President? I think not. amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

fuck the shut up.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Come up with a real argument, then we'll talk.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Bush enters into office in 2001: $400 million SURPLUS left for him by Clinton Bush leaves office in 2009: >$1.5 trillion DEFECIT that Obama inherits

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I wasn't saying he was wrong, so you can stop getting defensive. I was merely saying that just because Bush was a bad president that doesn't automatically make Obama good by default.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, you asked for a real argument and I gave you one. Unless you were writing in some kind of code...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I was talking to the OP, and what you gave wasn't an argument any different from the OP's you just elaborated.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And I was answering for the OP. The OP didn't make any specific arguments, so I don't really see how I'm elaborating.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah but Bush was also president during a REALLY tough time. I mean, how do you think Obama would have handled the whole 9/11 situation.(My guess is not very well) After the twin towers were bombed, A LOT of people wanted to go to war, which is very costly. I'm not saying I love Bush or anything, but you have to admit that he was president at a very rough time, and it would've been hard for anyone to do well.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's certainly true and I give him props for the way he handled the immediate aftermath of 9/11 and repeatedly said that the hijackers were NOT representations of normal Muslims. But I think that he squandered the temporary national unity that appeared after 9/11. There was a time where he had a 90% approval rating, but most of his big decisions ended up being bad. The sad part is that the wars weren't even the biggest contributor to the debt/defecit, it was his tax cut bills.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Bush fucked up the economy, Obama has put it on the track to recovery.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People will ALWAYS complain no matter who the president is.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ono

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Obama sucks. He broke his promises, defied the constitution, and is changing this country for the worse. Need I mention the debt he's created? He's had plenty of time to do SOMETHING good; and hasn't. Bush was wrong to keep fighting so long; but Obama hasn't pulled out like he said he would yet. And yes, I did say pull out.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/?q=1 He's done plenty good.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And not much of that stuff has done anything. Plus, quite a few of those things listed were things I thought he screwed up with. Like closing Guat. Bay and backing stem cell research. Not to mention Obamacare. If you think those are good, great for you. But I think they were very bad moves.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't get why people don't like the concept of public healthcare. It's an all around good idea. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are one of the only major countries that don't have it. Also, why are people so against stem cell research? It can only lead to good things, like people being cured of diseases.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Stem cell can be abused for money. Science is great, but you can go too far. Ex: cloning babies. I dislike the healthcare bill 1. because you shouldn't HAVE to get/pay for it and 2. I'm an every-man-for-himself kind of person.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

but the rewards far outweigh the risks. as for cloning, aren't there laws against that? Also, the having to get it thing, I understand, but if it's controlled by the government, it would be paid for in taxes, and we would have relatively "free" healthcare... I think.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Laws? You mean...the things people break everyday? They mean nothing. Trust me on this my friend, people will do anything for money. Also, the government will probably get [more] power hungry after they control healthcare. Who's to say that they'll stop there? My opinion on this is frank: Socialism is bad. Too much power. Power in the govt's hands is bad; it belongs to the people. You don't have to agree, that's just me, and I know not many people agree with me. I don't really care.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm going to tell you the truth of what I think. I think we should give more power to the government. They were elected for a reason, let them do their jobs. The people don't deserve the power. For one, there's too many people. Look at how hectic congress is. Now imagine that with the people in the us. Second, the people don't know what's good for them. Sure, the government might not necessarily know exactly what's good for the people, but they know enough to maintain a healthy country. Basically, what I'm saying is that people know next to nothing. They would act too rashly. Finally, look at Canada. Look at us. Look at the Canadian people. Look at our people. Enough said. Maybe we should take a page from our upward neighbor's book, cause what we're doing has stopped working. Our government was made a couple hundred years ago. It's done pretty well in the time it's been here, but time's have changed, and it's time to get down with the times.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh I didn't mean there should be NO gov't power. Just not too much. Also, I think we should follow the constitution; whether it's old or not. I respect your opinion, but I disagree mostly. Though I definitely agree that some people are psychos. And I just want to say thank you for being polite and not forceful with your thoughts.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(somewhere_I_belong):You're welcome. And thank you for providing me with a worthy debate opponent, it's been a while since I had a good debate.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Worthy? How sweet. I'm glad I could spice up your life a little :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@939755 (somewhere_I_belong): I'll bet that you weren't complaining about the debt when Bush was in office, even though he created far, far more than Obama. And to say that he's done nothing at all good just shows that you don't pay attention to politics and are ignorant of important events. Changing it for the worse, huh? Please give me a few examples, I would love to see this.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I gave examples of bad changes above. And those are just my opinion. Stem cell will most likely be abused, proven terrorists do NOT deserve trials, and Obamacare is stepping us away from capitalism. I didn't complain about Bush debt because I didn't pay attention to politics when he was in office. I realize he created a lot of debt, I never said he didn't and I never said I liked Bush.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Obamacare" (named that by the media despite the fact that the bill was composed almost entirely by congress with minimal interference from Obama) is in no way tempting us away from Capitalism. Private insurance is still the only option for people because people like you were so scared of *gasp* a public option, which is what every other western democracy has. American healthcare was undeniably broken, the bill is projected to save trillions by the CBO, and although the bill as a whole is unpopular because of the yearlong smear campaign run against it, most individual components of it (like kids being allowed to keep their parent's insurance until they're 26) poll very high.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People like me? As in, people with different political views than the majority? I never said I disagreed with EVERYTHING in the bill. Just some of it. I also didn't like the fact that it was so large that most people didn't know most of the components, and how the majority of the public's views on the bill was disregarded by our leaders. I think the government's power should come from the people; and in this case, we were not heard.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The people were heard. They gave Obama and the Dems a huge mandate in the 2008 elections. If everything Congress did got polled every day, even less would get done. And by people like you, I mean people who make vague, scary-sounding criticisms such as "tempting us away from capitalism", but can never back it up with facts or specifics because they aren't informed and are just a sheep in a herd led by demagogues. There are people like this on both sides of the isle.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I never said "tempting us a way from capitalism". I don't say anything "scary", I'm just speaking my mind. And I do know facts, I took an entire class on this topic. It would take a long time to type out everything, because the bill was so huge. Also, I don't watch the news, so I only know what I learned in the previously mentioned class. Which was last year, so of course he's done more since. The biggest reason I dislike Obama is because he is SO left wing. I would dislike a VERY right wing president as well. We need a much more neutral president.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, I'm sorry, you said "stepping us away from capitalism". And I hate to break it to you, but he's almost dead center in ideology. He's a moderate democrat who is willing to compromise with republicans. He's less liberal than most democrats would like. If he's so far left, why did he extend the Afgan war, pass healthcare without a public option, and pass the tax cuts compromise?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because he wants to please the public so they stop hating on him. His political beliefs are, for the most part, liberal. Especially his social political views. I have NO idea why he extended the Afgan war; no one wanted that. I can tell we're both extremely biased, so I don't see the point in continuing this. I disagree with most of his decisions thus far, because I'm very right wing. Likewise, you agree and like him because you're very liberal. Want's the point of arguing? Allow me to say, once again, that we need a more neutral prez. Powa to the people, man. Socialism ftl. I'm outta this. Go do some lapdances.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And FYI, I don't "follow" anyone. Don't you dare make assumptions about me when you don't even know me.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

what's so wrong with socialism? One of the things it revolves around is fairness. Would you say that you are against a step towards fairness?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People shouldn't have to help people who don't have money. It should be a choice. And socialism gives the government more power. And fairness? It's fair now. Everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed. Some people just don't; whether they are unlucky or because they're lazy. That's not me and my family's problem.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It promotes the better of the greater good. If you're saying that you don't care for other people's wellness, I'm disappointed. I, for one, care for others. Whether lazy or unlucky, I don't care. As for everyone having an equal opportunity to succeed, try telling that to the kid born into a family of seven children with a single mother who can't get a job. It's not fair to them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not what I meant at all. I don't care for the thousands (millions?) of people who take advantage of our government's welfare programs. And personally, my family has a hard enough time taking care of ourselves. We don't need to feed others when we struggle to feed ourselves. And you're right, it's the mother's fault. But that child can recieve a free education; which is the basis for success. Don't tell me they can't succeed just because of that (and I know you didn't say that). Some of the richest people in the world grew up poor, in unfair conditions.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

and about college? sure, they can get a basic education, but from then, they're out of luck. and those who grew up poor to become rich? What percentage of the poor happen to stay poor? And if you're struggling, then it would benefit you as well. As for the people who take advantage of the welfare programs, are we going to let those people hurt those who legitimately need help? How many more people who legitimately need help do you think there are as opposed to slackers. Many, many more. (I honestly don't know how many more). My stance on this is the same as my stance on death penalty. I'd rater let one more guilty person leave free than kill an innocent person.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The US was asked by the UN to close Guantanamo Bay, because of the torture techniques used to extract information and many innocent people were going through that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know this. They could've easily stopped torturing without closing it. And if they were undeniably terrorists, they deserved condemnation; not jailing. They kill hundreds of people. I think murderers don't deserve to live.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

They still have to have a trial... Part of the problem the UN was having was people were being executed without a trial because of confessions that were made while being tortured, how is that humane? How is that showing the US is better than terrorists?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Can you please tell me when I said it was humane or showing the US was better? I just said they should've stopped the torturing but kept the prison. And they can't JUST have a trial; they need to be interigated to find out information. Using torture? Of course not. But interigated, nonetheless.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Duh, they have to be interrogated. Look, Guantanamo Bay was breaking the Geneva convention, and international war laws, also it was found by the supreme court that all the prisoners fell under the US constitution while they were being detained. Most of the people who were detained were released without any charge anyway. George Bush even said he wanted to see Guantanamo Bay closed. The only reason why it was chosen was because it was thought to be a legal black hole and they could get away with the practices, and obviously it was found they can't break the law there and it is now seen as a symbol of that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"OMG! Like, Obamas muslim and I bet he's never been to college or anything and he did drugs and like no one even voted for him. i dont know how he won." <--- I'm STILL hearing that kind of stuff. It's ridiculous.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

He won because he wasn't white. Try and deny it people, but you know the majority of people who voted for him just wanted to see a minority president.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Someone's not a happy camper.... And I wasn't asking why he won. I quoted some idiot girl in my class.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know you didn't say that, but said idiot girl asked why he won, correct?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was the idiot girl.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nah, I don't make assumptions like that. Though your username suggests you may be a little confused.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The Democrats could have nominated a dead cat in 2008 and it would have won. Sure, it probably helped that he was black, but it's not like that was what secured his victory.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do believe that was a tad bit exaggerated. A live cat, perhaps. I'll give you that one. And it definitely helped a lot that he wasn't white, not just a little.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Obama did win the popular vote, but he had to win the electoral college to be president. I think the electoral college is just a bit smarter in picking the president than "just wanting to see a minority president."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not necassarily. They're still people, and people are naturally biased.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i agree with somewhere_i_belong. as soon as an african american ran for president they would get in, hands down. people have been waiting decades for a black president and i think it's sad that they judged his appearence before they looked at what he was actually going to do with this country. He is a much better speaker than mccain, but mccain had the experience that obama lacked.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wow, suddenly I like BreakfastFan... who'd have thunk it? I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, but this health care bill is a good thing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is regurgitating conservative crap overheard from parents/teachers or Fox News. I got an email with some specifics about it today from Organizing for America... it will prevent insurance companies from refusing to cover children born with disabilities, and it will require companies to spend 80 to 85% of all premiums paid on your healthcare- and if they don't, they have to REFUND the unused money! This is fucking brilliant; anyone who's ever had to pay for any kind of insurance must have had that thought "why don't I get some of this back when I don't cost my insurer anythin for years?" I'd like to see where some of these kids stand after a few years in the real world.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Fuck yeah.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

let me impart some knowledge on you obama is not the first black man to run for office now im going to assume that u r a republican or at least are being raised in a republican household and thats why u disagree with obama am i correct?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I for one agreed what with Washington said. Stay away from political parties. And we didn't listen. Now we have to groups of people that are preventing the other from getting bills passed.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Guess we'll see what happens when reelection arises. So far were ateting to lean republican according to the senate and house election. It seems we always want a change but we want everything to stay the same? Were insatiable.

by Anonymous 13 years ago