If this post is going to be negatively scored, someone should explain the flaw in my reasoning.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't care if a woman if walking down the street naked. Any man worthy of that title will keep his penis in his pants. NOTHING on this Earth gives you the right to another person's body.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nice try with the moral high-ground, but that's completely unrelated to the post.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, that's the point. The post is saying (at least I think it is) that obviously it's not right to blame rape victims for existing and getting raped, and it's not right to blame bullies for people who kill themselves either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Aah, thank you. It's nice to see someone who finally gets my point.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

no we get it, we just dont agree

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you get it, then why is everything that everyone said so far completely unrelated to the fucking point? It's not like you can truly disagree, anyway, because it's a fact.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

shut up, meg.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay so what if YOU wore some sexy clothing and a gay dude thinks you're darn sexy, he has the right to just come up and rape you ? I don't think so.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'd stab the fuck out of him. Also, still not related to the post. Do point out where I said rape is alright. What's that? You can't? Because I didn't say that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Alrighty then, the gay guy rapes you, then you stab him and you get charged for stabbing him and he doesn't get in trouble for raping you because you were wearing sum sexy .

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't get in trouble for stabbing him in self defense, and he gets charged with attempted sexual assault. The point that neither suicide nor rape is ok is completely flying over your head.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

When have I ever said suicide or rape is ok ?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

" he has the right to just come up and rape you ?" You're implying that I said rape is ok. I didn't say that at all.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People make the (stupid) choice to kill themselves, but nobody makes the choice to be violated and taken advantage of.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nobody makes the choice to have their closest friend or family member kill themselves, either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You obviously don't understand the comment...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

They obviously don't understand my post.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People actually agreed with this post? Ugh. That is disgusting.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It makes sense. You can't honestly deny that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not only are your comments on rape misogynistic and completely ignorant, you fail to recognise the fact that in both of these situations, there is a victim. In both of these cases, the victim did not ask for it. No one wants to be bullied. No one wants to have their life made into a living hell by someone. Likewise, no one ever asks to be raped, and by implying this in your original post you are disrespecting the millions of women around the world who have suffered from sexual assault. Wearing a short skirt does not mean that you are a "slut", nor does it count as an automatic agreement to sex. If you honestly believe that anyone ever deserves rape, or asks for it, then you need to take a good look at yourself. Those who murder are jailed, those who rape are jailed, and bullies are held accountable for their actions just the same.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What. . . THE FUCK. . . Are you going on about? I really can't even grasp what you're saying, because it's so completely unrelated to the point of the post. Reread my post until you can gather what it means, and then respong to it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, both situations have victims, but that's not what's being compared here. It's saying that in both situations, one person does something of their own accord, which the other person shouldn't really be blamed for.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(acciocaitlin) The OP is not saying certain people deserve to be raped; quite the opposite actually. The OP is saying he believes bullies should not be held responsible for acts of suicide just as victims of rape aren't held accountable for rape instances.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Maddie Mary): Thank you, so very much. You've just restored a bit of my faith in humanity. It's sad that people see the words "rape" or "suicide" and fly into an offended rage without even reading.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know you are not permitting it, but it's still a fucked up post. Bullying causes depression, depression makes you hate life and once you seriously hate life you just don't give q fuck. So yeah, bullying CAN lead to it, and be the cause. Just stating my thoughts. Been there, but, my boyfriend brought me out of depression.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not everyone is so lucky. And rape isnt something to take lightly. Not all raped girls dress in said way, some people are just sick. And you say you'd stab the guy if he tried it on you, but say you don't have a knife, say he has a gun. What then jack ass? What if he can over power you, what then? See most girls aren't strong enough to fight back and even if they are, with a gun to your head, you won't do shit. Amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Bullying doesn't always cause depression, and not all depressed people kill themselves. The people who get depressed enough to kill themselves after being bullied are ones who are predisposed to react like that to something that would trigger it. Obviously it's not right to say that people can cause themselves to be raped by dressing revealingly, but it's not right either to say that bullies are murderers if the person kills themselves. I don't see why the person being bullied couldn't just tell a teacher, tell their parents, try to make the people stop, move schools/classes, or change their phone number/email address if it's cyber-bullying, instead of just killing themselves immediately. I was bullied for a while when I was younger, then my mom found out, she complained to school, and since they didn't want to help, I moved schools. Simple.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Telling parents/adults doesnt do anything but make it worse. You've apparently never been threatened, apparently never been paralyzed with complete fear when you were 12 and a huge, drunk, 15 year old traumatized you in more then one way, and then had the entire school find out and just fucking tease you. So shut the fuck up rainbow35.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm aware that telling adults *can* make it worse, but if they take you out of the school or actually help you, then it *can* make it better. Evidently you were bullied worse than I was, and evidently adults did less to help you...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you have obviously never been bullied to the point of depression. where i on the the other hand have and i take offence to this post.it is because of the way people treated me that made me almost take my own life. so yes they were to blame for my multiple attempts at suicide. but my friend who was raped was not at fault for being raped she couldn't help that her father was a sick ass whole no more then i could help the way i felt.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, it seem rainbow is the only person thus far to actually grasp the concept of the fucking post. This is completely fucking ridiculous, people are offended by one part of the post or the other, when there's really nothing fucking offensive about it. It's true that people who get bullied get depressed and kill themselves, but there are plent of people who get bullied and don't kill themselves. There are also people who kill themselves who were never bullied. This means that bullying is not the sole causation of depression or suicide, so bullies shouldn't be blames for people killing themselves. You can't sit there and honestly say that there was never a sexually starved person that snapped and raped someone because they were wearing something sexy. At the same time, not all people who rape are sexually frustrated, nor were all rapes spurred by the way someone dresses. Following the above logic, you can't blame women for someone commiting rape.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And guess what the fuck else? Suicide is entirely the person's choice, so they're just as accountable for killing themselves as a rapist is for raping someone. The only difference is that we see rapists as offenders, and depressed people as victims. That's bullshit, when the fuck did suicide become so honorable? It's not like nobody else is affected, either. I guarantee you that someone's life can be just as ruined by their child/sibling/friend killing themselves as someone being raped. To sum up what should have been obvious from the start, only the individual is responsible for his/her actions, nobody else. There can be contributing factors, but the decision is ultimately theirs. The victim/offender double standard is bullshit, as every single case is different. Why did I even bother typing this up? Nobody is going to stop sucking morality's cock, even though there's absolutely no need.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I assume you've been to a beach? There'd be tons of hot women wearing nothing but bikinis. Why didn't you rape them? It would have been their fault, they chose to wear bikinis.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I've also been bullied, and I haven't commited suicide. The point is that NEITHER FACTOR CAUSES THE ACTION. CAN YOU FUCKING READ?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I just stare at the computer screen and punch random buttons in the hopes that something intelligent comes out. I think that you're partly semi- sort of right. While neither causes the action, they DO attribute to it. I'd probably not commit suicide just because I'm bullied, but I AM more likely to do it than little old Johnny Perfect-Life Smith over there, just as women who dress like that are more likely to get raped than someone who looks like they fell in a blender as a child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's what I'm saying. I don't see where people got the idea that I said rape is ok. I don't see where people got the idea that I said showing some skin equates to automatic rape.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

See, I disagree. I used to be suicidally depressed, I had lots of problems, it was partly my fault and partly other people's fault. I'm fine now, I've worked things out, but it was a struggle getting to where I am now. If, say, someone had decided to start seriously bullying me during the first year or so while I was healing, it would have been too easy for me to slip right back to where I was, because I still hadn't fully developed the skills I needed to take care of problems, something you don't really have when you have depression. If it got really bad then suicide could easily seem like the only escape. So you see, the bullying is the direct cause of my hypothetical descent into suicidal depression; yes, I was already predisposed for that to happen, but my predisposition was not enough to cause me to commit suicide in and of itself. So I think in that case at least some of the blame should go to the bully, and I think this is more frequent than you think.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

To continue, it seems to me that a lot of the people who commit suicide because of bullying are probably in a situation like what I have described. In that situation you are just getting out of the time when you are most at risk of committing suicide, so you seem to be ok, but a stressful event could make your depression just bad enough to push you over the edge. So it is partly the fault of the person who commits suicide for making bad choices, but also partly the fault of the bully for putting you in a position where you might make bad choices. Just as I would put all the accountability on a person who was already going to commit suicide if they went through with it after being bullied, I put all the blame on the rapist for choosing to rape regardless of what the woman is wearing. However, it doesn't seem to me that what the girl is wearing makes a difference in the mind of any rapist the way that being bullied might make a difference to a depressed person. That was too long, sorry.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You explained it really well.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank you for at least understanding what I'm saying. The point was that you WOULDN'T blame a woman for getting raped. This is because I honestly don't believe bullies can be blamed for others commiting suicide. Sure, they may have been a contributing factor, but they aren't the sole reason, nor should they be treated like murderers like so many people want them to be. I was just drawing a comparison and pointing out a double-standard. Don't you think it's reasonable that someone could be more tempted to rape someone if the victim dressed provocatively? The way I see it, both rapists and suicidal people already have the behavior ingrained in them, but it sometimes takes an outside factor to push them over the edge. Like I said before, people who commit suicide aren't always bullied, and bullied people don't always commit suicide. Same thing for rapists. I think it's also worth mentioning that I was extensively bullied and isolated as a child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Suicide is a choice, being raped isn't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's not the comparison that's being made.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In both cases you are a victim. This post is completely fucked up.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How is it completely fucked up? I've only see two people who actually understand the post. Explain to me what is fucked up about it, fucking explain it. DON'T JUST SAY IT'S FUCKED UP AND LEAVE. PROVIDE SOME FUCKING LOGIC BEHIND YOUR STATEMENT LIKE I HAVE.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not all people who kill themselves are actually victims, except of their own depression/sucidalness. Anyway, as far as I can tell, the post isn't comparing people who kill themselves to rape victims, it's comparing rape victims to someone who bullies someone who then kills themselves, and it's saying that in both cases, the thing the other person did isn't that person's fault, if that makes sense.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The problem with your logic is that you have a very twisted victim thought process going on. A woman, regardless of the way she is dressed, is not in any way related to a bully. You’re comparing oranges and apples.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Everyone seems to miss the point. I'm not trying to say women are like bullies and should be blamed, I'm saying bullies are like the women and should not be blamed.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You've missed the point about thinking like a victim.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I see the point of your post, but I disagree with the bullying statement. While suicide is a choice, most who make it are in no fit mental state to make any decisions at all due to the bullying that drove them over that edge. While a bully who drove someone to suicide shouldn't be charged for murder, the person is partly responsible for the death. Otherwise, your post is logically sound.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You've made the point that there's nothing wrong with dressing in revealing outfits, which I agree with, but following the logic of your comparison that "bullies are like the women and should not be blamed", you are also saying that there is nothing wrong or blameworthy with bullying, which I simply cannot agree with. Whilst it is not by any means the sole cause, there are many, many cases of people who are bullied into depression who end up committing suicide. They do not simply "choose" to commit suicide - they are forced into a mental state where they feel it is the only option. In cases where the bully is well aware of the suicide risk, and deliberately push their victim to the point of suicide, I believe they should be legally accountable for the person's death. However, in most cases, the bully does not even consider this. I believe they should feel a moral responsibility, as they helped trap somebody in their own mind, feeling they had no other way to resolve their issues. I do not condone suicide at all, because I know there is always another way, but I also think bullies, unlike rape victims, are somewhat blameworthy.

by Anonymous 11 years ago