+175 There is proof that the Bible is real, amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What's the proof?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Where's the proof it isn't? We all came from something

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@1173973 (BellatrixLestrange): It's called EVOLUTION!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nope. Only stupid people believe that shit

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Only stupid people believe the Bible is full of true stories.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I dont understand why we cant just appreciate that we all have different beliefs of how we are created. I personally believe in evolution, but really that all doesn't matter. Its not what happened in the past but what happens in the present that defines us ;)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Only stupid people prove a book is right by quoting said book. I could write and publish a book about magical unicorns and keep it preserved and 2000 years from now stupid people like you would believe there used to be unicorns.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's a miss understanding of a book of fairy tales

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And you think it's completely realistic to believe a higher power just waved his arm and BAM it's earth, and oh damn,PEOPLE. Yeah , only really smart people would believe on that ...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Darwin never said we came from apes. The chart is only someone's misconception.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Where did anybody say Darwin said we came from apes?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The common atheistic belief of evolution is the evolution chart. So I was replying to "It's called EVOLUTION!" However, we did come from single-celled organisms which turned into more complex organisms which got more complex and so on. I didn't actually assume he meant the apes thing but I included it anyway. If you don't like to go off topic, don't carry on the conversation.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But according to the Law of Thermodynamics matter cannot be created nor destroyed so where are you suggesting the matter that we "evolved" from came from? Like Bellatrix said, we had to have come from something.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well then wouldn't God have had to come from something?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Quantum Physics suggests that there's the smallest chance that a human being could be formed by airborne matter colliding in the shape of a human out of chance. So the matter has always been there, it just took a while for it to form the first primitive 'life'

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Actually, evolution cannot explain how the first life came about....

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No one really ever says that. I don't understand, evolution doesn't try to cover abiogenesis... Just like how people ask you how the universe was created, there are countless theories and not everyone who believes in evolution believes the same theory about how we came to be.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Science clearly explains how probionts came about due to the conditions of early Earth. Probionts are kind of like proteins and kind of like single-celled prokaryotes. They functioned, but they weren't technically "alive". Unless I'm missing some new information, scientists have not yet found the bridge between nonliving probionts and living single-celled prokaryotes. It's a very, very short bridge, as the two are quite similar, but the whole idea of how life was injected into these nonliving cell-like things is still a mystery, as far as I know. That's what Darwin meant when he said "There is grandeur in this view of life." It is a miracle that such complex organisms evolved from such simple ones, but there are still miracles left for us to wonder about. It's impossible to explain everything, and who knows? Maybe that's where God comes in. But if evolution can explain almost everything to a 't' with a shitload of evidence, don't dismiss the entire theory.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I never dismissed the whole theory. I believe in evolution, just not unguided Darwinism.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Evolution, no, cannot explain the beginning of life because that is not what evolution is about. Saying evolution can't prove beginning of life is like saying religion can't be real because it doesn't tell you how to fix your car, and therefore not all knowing. Science, however, has some argument. And I see you up-voted this post. Why?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If you'll notice, I never used that to say evolution was false. Right above your comment is a comment from me saying that I believe evolution occurred, just not without some higher power guiding it. Science has not yet provided a solid explanation.... Because there is historical validity to certain parts of the Bible, including Jesus' resurrection.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But saying it in the first place is rather pointless to begin with, as that is not what evolution is about. Miller-Urey Experiment Show me.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I typed a long response to this, and then my computer messed up.... So this is the abridged version. Somebody said evolution is where we all came from. I was simply pointing out that evolution cannot explain how the first life arose. That experiment demonstrated how the Earth could get amino acids, but not how those amino acids could line up to form proteins, which would then need to combine to form cells. I have told you the probability of the amino acids lining up correctly. It's unbelievably slim. And, if I'm not mistaken, the Miller-Urey experiment used gases that were believed at the time to be present in the Earth, but turned out to be the wrong gases, and when the correct gases have been tried, amino acids could not be produced. Blah.... Watch/Read "Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. If you have Netflix, it's on the instant streaming.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But to not correct them saying what evolution is really about is not appropriate either, you should have said "no it doesn't because that is not what evolution is about." Everyone says evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive, but they aren't, they are about different things. But it is still possible that the proteins could be created, just as the creation story is possible. So science has given a possible origin to life. In no way is it absolute, but it is possible. I don't have Netflix, give me the summary.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well, in a way, that is what I said. But sure, I can agree with you on that. We're really just debating semantics here. Yes, it is possible. But the odds of it happening are infinitesimally small. It basically just goes over the historical validity of the New Testament. For example, it is pretty well established that Jesus of Nazareth was a man who claimed to be the son of God, was thought to perform miracles, was crucified for it, and his tomb was found empty 3 days later.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I agree with that. Improbable =/= Impossible. It is possible. And I would believe that they oriented themselves in a way that made sense, it isn't just random chance. Gives it for Christ, sure, but what about the rest of the Bible?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You are correct that something improbable is not impossible, but I would not choose to side with the overwhelmingly minuscule odds. That was a theory that I believe was called Biochemical Predestination, or something like that. However, there is no evidence that supports that claim, and the person who first theorized and wrote about it later came to reject his theory. Well I can't sit here and validate the entire Bible, but if you look into it you will find that the Bible is more historically accurate than you might think.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You just said that "Science has not yet provided a solid explanation", to which I pointed out that it did. Improbable, yes, but still possible. The Miller-Urey experiment gives an alternative idea to the starting of life other than creation. What proof is there of Genesis or Exodus? Just saying "Well, it is" doesn't mean that it actually is. Many sights I have seen claiming historical proof to the Bible are so biased there is much reason to believe the claim is completely made up.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes, the Miller-Urey experiment showed that amino acids could be produced with certain gases in the atmosphere, but they used the wrong gases. Plus, the odds are not just "improbable." That is an understatement. The odds are so unbelievably small, that I do not consider it a solid explanation. http://godandscience.org/apologetics/thera.html

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I cant find any sites (other than horribly biased ones and wikipedia) that say they may have used the wrong gases. In response to the dark thing, the site says it may have been a volcanic eruption. Isn't that counter proof to the Bible, as it would then not be Moses or God that caused the darkness, but rather a volcanic eruption caused by, well, volcanic eruptions?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Okay. Regardless of the gases, the probabilities are so small that it is not a solid hypothesis. I wouldn't call it counter proof. It is just saying that God might have used the volcanic eruption to cast the darkness.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Proof still exists that it is possible. Creation/ Intelligent Design has nothing with concrete proof behind it. We are not sure whether or not there even is a God, or many gods, or supreme beings of other natures. I disagree. Exodus makes it seem like the darkness appears from no where, but a volcanic eruption is somewhere

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well the fact that the universe was created ex nihilo is pretty good evidence, and there is no proof from the atheistic point of view that another method is more plausible. It all depends on your point of view. Exodus says, "And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt. And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days" So if you believe what Exodus says, the Lord told Moses that darkness would occur, and it did.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Who says for certain that there was nothing? Yes, darkness did occur, but it still seems like Exodus implies that the darkness came from nothing, which it didn't. Exodus gives no mention as to how or why, which leaves quite the gap.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

We can say very few things with absolute certainty. But that's where the science points. That definitely doesn't mean it was false. That wasn't the point of the story. All it does is help to solidify the historical validity of the Bible.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And religion fills the void that science cannot, using faith to explain the un-explainable, saying "it was God", rather than what actually happened, which no one knows. This is getting moot, I would make the exact same point here as I have in the last several messages, and you would reply with the same response as you have, leading nowhere. What about Genesis? Adam and Eve? Tower of Babel, everyone just randomly learns a new language? Many languages are very similar or based in other languages, from evolution of languages to dialects and other form of the languages and fusing of two languages to make new ones, what evidence is there that a group of people randomly starting speaking in foreign tongues?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You seem to be making the "God of gaps" argument, but that argument suggests that science moves us away from the possibility in a God. However, discoveries such as the complexity of the cell, the Big Bang, the Cambrian explosion, etc, actually point to the existence of God, rather than the other way around. I don't take the creation story in Genesis literally, nor do I take the story of Adam and Eve completely literally. I think it is symbolic of humans committing evil. I'm not sure about the Tower of Babel, but it may be symbolic as well.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The events happening do not point to the existence of God, rather God points to those events. Some believe that God did it, as science has not yet provided an explanation as to how it (may have) happened. There is no way to prove it is God, so that is a matter of belief rather than fact But then taking it metaphorically, the Bible really wouldn't be "real" as the post suggests. (Real is in quotes because I believe that OP meant the Bible should be taken literally as a history book, rather than as a metaphor.)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Because no proof for one thing = proof for another? Well then why not reverse this statement.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well, the actual book itself does exist. Whether the stories within it are true, or are meant to be taken literally, or as just a metaphor or guide to live, is another story.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You took the words right out of my mouth.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

damn you i was gonna say well duhhh i have the book in my house! but as for the context inside...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Haha, yeah, I knew someone was gonna post this, so I decided to - I have a copy of the Bible on my bookshelf, so it does physically exist, but whether as the undeniable word of God, or written to document people's view of God is disputable.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There are true. It's like putting legos in a bag, closing it, and shaking it and saying to your friends, "The legos in the bag after I shake them for awhile they will make a 3 ft long dinosaur!". It's impossible. Same with evolution. It would have taken billions an billions and billions of years for that to happen and our world isn't even close to that old.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The Earth is actually 4.5 billion years old... go figure. Once you count to one million, let me know your appreciation for how long even a million years is.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

They actually say it's around 4000 years old. :P

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Wikipedia does not lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Actually, wikipedia lies A LOT!!!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What are you talking about, who says it's around 4000 years?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Nvm. U wont believe me anyway. :P

by Anonymous 12 years ago

-shrug- No, I wouldn't, but that's because my religion says the world is 5,771 years old. There's the question of whether or not the 7 days of creation were days as we know them, but still.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That is such a great point. The Bible says, and correct me if I'm wrong, that God created the sun on Day 4. It's the sun that determines what a day is to us. Therefore, before that, each day could have been about a billion years. Have you ever seen the movie Inherit the Wind? It's fantastic.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Except that it's all, "...And there was evening and there was morning, one day. (Lightness/darkness) ...And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. (Sky/earth)..." Like it's all still called days. And then you factor in dinosaurs, which were totally created after the sun was, so go figure. And no, I haven't seen that movie. What's it about?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's an old movie very loosely based on the Scopes trial.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What's the Scopes trial?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Back when creationism was the prevailing belief, a teacher in Tennessee taught Darwin's theory of evolution in the classroom, and he was tried for it. Inherit the Wind is a very exaggerated, dramatized version of the trial.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Dude.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That he was tried for it. That's ridiculous.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

There's no evidence that it would have taken "billions and billions and billions of years." I believe in gradualism, but I don't think it's THAT gradual.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

the likely hood that we evolved from the so called "big bang" is the same likely hood of having a trillion blind people working on a rubix cube each,and all finishing it at the same time-true fact,so dont say that we were created from a big bang when that is just bullshit

by Anonymous 13 years ago

trololololo

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Unless you're trolling, GTFO of my country.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So if he IS a troll, then he can stay. Who doesn't love a country filled with annoying people who start arguments for a living?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think he means he'd rather have a troll than an idiot

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Where exactly did you find the likelihood of such an event? Well, you did say it's a true fact, so I guess I have to take your word for it. If only all anti-evolutionists were as clever as you.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

How is the "likely hood" so low? There is no evidence to say it didn't happen, but there is quite a bit of evidence to say it did. If you're Christian, then did it ever occur to you that God, with his infinite power, might have been able to create a big ball of matter and make it explode into a bunch of rocks and hydrogen balls? If your atheist, I don't see you giving any other explanations. If you're a troll, then just GTFO.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The Bible is definitely fake. Has anyone ever actually SEEN one? This reminds me of another myth - a black president. LOL, that'll never happen, you fools.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And you'll never cross the atlantic!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

yes it is :)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yeah. And now I'm going to shamelessly put a link to one of my posts. Cuz I can. http://www.amirite.net/610005

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I said I was doing it shamelessly. I have no shame.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Here it is guys: http://www.goddiscussion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Bible-WhiteBackground.jpg Indisputable proof that said Bible exists. Everyone get off this post, the issue at hand has been resolved.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

As a Catholic I would like to state that i believe in evolution and the Bible. I'm not sure why people are bent on choosing one or the other. Besides, if you have all the faith you need, I'm not sure why "proving" it to others in necessary. Thank you. That is all

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The reason people are bent on choosing one or the other is beacuse the Bible said that God created two humans: Adam ad Eve. It does not say that He created a microscopic organism which evolved into more complex life.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But it doesn't say how he created Adam, amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes it does.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I would be really surprised if anyone still believes that. There is evidence to prove that humans were not created within 6 days of the creation of the universe. I'm prety sure enough of Africa (the birthplace of humans) has been checked to confirm there is no garden of Eden. Nobody is under the impression that various languages were created as punishment for building a tower. It is not possible for 2 of every animal (and more than 2 for only a handful) to repopulate the entire planet fast enough for there to be no evidence of the flood today. Everything from Abraham on is a matter of faith.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Dude... A frickload of people still believe that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day of creation. They go by titles like, "religious Jews," "religious Christians," and possibly "religious Muslims" but I'm not sure if Islam says that.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The weird thing about the Bible is that parts of it seem to be historically valid. Lots of names, dates, and events in the Bible are confirmed by history. But there are a lot of unproven claims that make up significant parts of Christian theology. For example, the creation, the crossing of the Red Sea, the virgin birth, the resurrection, and the ascension. Not to mention all of the miracles and hard to believe stories such as Noah's ark. So it is really hard to dispute if the Bible is truth or not. It is certainly not inerrant, but it may indeed be the truth concerning the universe. It may also be a bunch of ancient and mythological beliefs. We don't know for sure, but you have to admit it is an interesting read.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

@1315938 (Joe_Larson): I believe in the Exodus and the New Testament because it's part of my faith to believe that such miracles are possible. However, the creation described in the bible, the 40-day flood, and the garden of Eden were just made up to sound cool and convince people to become Jewish. Since the people who wrote it were not actually there, and there is evidence to prove it false, and God couldn't have created false evidence because that would be lying, it is safe to assume that those events didn't happen.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"to become Jewish"? Those stories have been around since the beginning of Judaism, if not before. And just saying, we (Jews) don't hold that WE wrote the Bible - God did, and told it to Moses, who copied it down, basically.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yeah it's a book. And the book is real as in it exists. There is no proof that what it's about is real though.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You beat me to it! Your statement is why I voted YYA.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The Bible explains why, not how. If it did, It would be like adding your science textbook to it. That's not what The Bible is about.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes, it's called the bible. You aren't saying anything by saying something that clearly exists is real. There is a debate over or not it's true, idiot.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I believe in freedom of religion, so long as you keep to yourself about it. The minute you run around bragging because you believe you are superior, or trying to forcibly convert everyone in sight, that is no longer faith in a religion, that is using religion as an excuse or tool for personal gain. Which in most religions is highly looked down upon. also, lets pretend i just invented a god and wrote a book about it. if you can prove your god exists in a way i cannot also use to prove just as certainly that my obviously fake god is real, Ill become roman catholic.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm an atheist, but there is no denying that the book, the bible, exists. However, this is a somewhat pointless post because of that.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Of course the Bible exists. It is a book and millions of people own one. And the stories in it are "real". But real =/= true.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I have a question for people who believe in God and what the bible says. Please don't think I'm trolling because it is a genuine question. If back when the bible was written people made a lot up, how would you know the difference? Like, they wrote about the historical events that happened (which is why names, dates, and events can be traced back) but they made up the parts they didn't know which lead to them making up God? How would you know whether that part was made up or not? I know Faith is about not having proof but what is it about the bible that makes convinces you?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's an explanation for not only how we got here, but it explains what happens after we die, promises a chance for eternal life in eutopia. And the bible has many good morals and stories that if you live by them, can make you lead a happy life, and make the people around you happy. And there are many, many people who claim to have experienced God, people who have never taken drugs, drank a drop of alcohol, or show any sign of improper brain functions or poor mental health. And there are many current stories that can get you thinking a bit. Btw I dont fully believe in God, but I think there is just as much a chance of some divine being creating the universe as the universe being created from an explosion caused by a dot the size of a head of a pin.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

People still have yet to prove that the bible is true.

by Anonymous 12 years ago