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Animal testing may be wrong, but letting thousands of people die from possibly curable diseases is worse. amirite?

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This exactly.

Using animal testing for cosmetics (make up, shampoo, etc.) is wrong, because those things aren't nessacary.

But using animal testing for medical purposes, even though it may be horrible, could help many people AND animals.

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Simon

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thank you! i try telling this to people all the time. its like the animal commercials to adopt a pet, you should rather want to save a child in Africa

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Phineas_and_Ferb Phineas_and_Ferb

In response to “thank you! i try telling this to people all...

If you want to adopt a child, adopt one from china. You know the country that has hundreds of thousands of orphan baby-girls that are left in parks and out in the open. Africa is better off then them.

And by the way, you can have a child and a dog.

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Emily427 Emily427

In response to “thank you! i try telling this to people all...

Getting a pet dog is a different situation to sponsoring a child.

And, I know this isn't relevant to the post, but it's just a "Always someone worse" argument. Like, someone wants to donate money to an animal abuse charity, and then someone points out there are women living in poverty, and people are more important than animals.

So the first person decides to donate money to the women living in poverty, but then someone else points out that the women may be poor, but they have homes, and there are homeless youth that could use the money more.

So the person decides to donate money to homeless youth organisation, but then another person says that at least these homeless youth are homeless in a 1st world country where they can at least eat food out of garbage cans and get water from drinking fountains, and people in 3rd world countries don't even have that.

In the end, just let people donate to the causes that are important to them.

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Simon

In response to “thank you! i try telling this to people all...

so true, its sad so many animals live much better lives than people.

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thatsjustmii

In response to “so true, its sad so many animals live much...

Apparently the thought of factory farming has never crossed your mind.

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “Apparently the thought of factory farming has...

I watch movies on factory farming and what not, but honestly? i understand they are in awful shape and i donate money and stuff to help that cuase, but I alway make sure to donate more time and money to organisations that save kids with desieses in Africa, and earthquake victims in hatit. Humans need to come before animals. it is unethical to care more aboutanimals hat your own sister or brother human.

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sassypieann sassypieann

In response to “I watch movies on factory farming and what...

What makes humans so much better than "animals"? We are an animal.

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “What makes humans so much better than...

We are yes. But we have a higher brain capacity. That is to say< our brains are more advanced and therefor we can have complex emotions and can creat and produce. That makes us more advanced. Besides, elk save other elk before they would save a chipmunk. it just makes sense to save humans before other amimals. ESPECCIALLY is those humans are kids.

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sassypieann sassypieann

In response to “We are yes. But we have a higher brain...

I'm aware of the brain structure, and I see what you're saying, but I still am not sure if an elk life is worth more than a human life.
To us, a family member's life would be worth more than an elk's, but to a baby elk, the life of their mother or father would be worth more than a human's life. It really depends who you're asking.

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “I'm aware of the brain structure, and I see...

Well... simce we can't ask an elk (because they are not as advanced as us) i think we need to save humans first. True, an elk will miss it's mother, but when any animal (with the exaption of a few animals) they leave thier mother aand really never see them again. Not the case with hum,ans. And anyway how can you say any animal might be worth more than a human life? At this point in time, humans are the dominent creater and we need to save within our own species regardless. Sure I feel really sad when i see animals sufering and i do what i can to help them, but i always make humans the priority beauce that is what is natural and right.

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sassypieann sassypieann

In response to “Well... simce we can't ask an elk (because...

Just because we're at the top of the food chain doesn't mean we're "better" than another creature. Being more advanced isn't necessarily better, it just means we have more technology. Btw, you have you ever research elephants? They emotions just as complex as humans.
And, sure, you make humans the priority...who wouldn't chose to save their mom or friend over a centipede? I still don't agree that a humans are so much better than animals.

Read this:
Isn't man an amazing animal? He kills wildlife - birds, kangaroos, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes, and dingoes - by the millions in order to protect his domestic animals and their feed. Then he kills domestic animals by the billions and eats them. This in turn kills man by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative - and fatal - health conditions like heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer. So then man tortures and kills millions more animals to look

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

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I didn't say we need to just go killing animals all the time, but i don't think it is ethical to save more animals than humans.Sure there need to be efforts to save animals and stop animal crualty, but it just makes sense and is natural to save humans more. I mean, yeah, I know anyone would save thier mother over an animal, but i think we should have the same compasion for a homless child or starving man. Everyone always complains about wars (usually the same people who are more for animal rights) but how can we be expected to all get along if we are mor comcerned about the elephant in the forest than the well being of other humans. Does tha make sense? it's kinda hard to explain. And here i thought it was just common sense to save your fellow human....

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sassypieann sassypieann

In response to “I didn't say we need to just go killing...

Maybe if we have more concern for "lesser" creatures than ourselves, we will learn to love other humans more.

I totally understand what you are saying; I'm not saying that if my best friend was sick I would say no to animal testing. I just hate it when people think that humans are so much better than animals - therefore we can domesticate them, test and torture them, and force them into factory farms. I'm not saying that an animal's life is worth more than a human life, but it's not necessarily less either. I think we need to respect other species and while we may be the more advanced, it doesn't necessarily make us God when it comes to deciding what is right with other animals. Take breeding puppies - humans artificially select which ones to breed just to make them prettier for us to keep as pets. That's just wrong. We have no right to go around enslaving other species just because we can and because it is more convenient for us.

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “Maybe if we have more concern for...

Well... I agree with the first part I guess. i don't think humans should be able to treat tham badly, like troture tham and put them in the awful fatory farms. I do think though that hmans are better than other animals. but that does not give us a right to treat tham badly. What I mean is, we have to face the reality that humans are more advanced and complexly built with more complex emotions and feelings and understanding of concepts. That is why we are the dominent species on the planet. And scientificaly speaking, we are better than other animals. But like you siad we can not treat tham badly. It's like "with great power comes great responsibility" or watever. And the breedign thing is very differnt. If it dose not hurt or harm the animal, why can't we breed. I see your point, but dogs really do not care who they breed with like humans do. They don't understand the concept of an "arranged marrige". It dosnt bother them or harm them so why should it matter?

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sassypieann sassypieann

In response to “Well... I agree with the first part I guess...

What makes you so sure that we have so much more complex emotions though? As I said before, an elephant has just as many emotions as a human. Just because were different from another species doesn't mean they are less than us. Squirrels could have thoughts and feelings like us - they're just part of a world where humans are at the top and we can't understand them. We have better technology and yes, we're on the top of the food chain, but that doesn't make is better - it just makes us at the top of the food chain. The only thing leading to our advanced minds was the opposable thumb mutation.
And even if breeding doesn't physically torture the animal, it is still wrong. It takes away an animal's rights. Other species were meant to live wild and on their own, not have a doggy jacket and a leash on. And I think that dogs do care who they mate with. Not as much as humans, yes, but I don't think they want to just be put with any other dog.
Also, what makes you

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “Well... I agree with the first part I guess...

so sure that a dog isn't bothered by breeding? Many breeders (not to mention puppy mills) take a mother's puppies away before they are old enough. They are shoved in pet stores with bad conditions. Many breeds have things wrong with them, such as hip problems, because they have been overbred.

I do like your comment about great power coming with great responsibility, though. I completely agree.

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “Well... simce we can't ask an elk (because...

for cures for these diseases. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, some people are dying of sad laughter at the absurdity of man, who kills so easily and so violently, and once a year sends out a card praying for "Peace on Earth."

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “Well... simce we can't ask an elk (because...

Well if we are more advanced than other animals and we can feel complex emotions, shouldn't that seperate us from the elk? Family and other people are obviously important, but we should treat people and creatures with the same respect and kindness that we treat our equals with. Also, would you save a person who might not live much longer or an endangered animal first? I honestly don't know what i'd do.

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Wunderscore

In response to “thank you! i try telling this to people all...

Aren't you a little young to be sponsoring African children?

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Shugah Shugah

In response to “Aren't you a little young to be sponsoring...

I sponsor a kid in Colombia and I'm 15...but I'm going anon as to not be a douchebag

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douchebag

In response to “I sponsor a kid in Colombia and I'm 15...but...

You're not a douchebag, Ben.

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Anonymous

In response to “I sponsor a kid in Colombia and I'm 15...but...

I know you do. I have read your profile.
And I also know that you can take jokes. I see no point in your comment. =)

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Shugah Shugah

In response to “I sponsor a kid in Colombia and I'm 15...but...

Everyone has read your profile, polarthebear.

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NoSoapRadio NoSoapRadio

In response to “Aren't you a little young to be sponsoring...

Yes. Yes, they are.

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fangirl12 fangirl12

In response to “thank you! i try telling this to people all...

ANIMALS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!!

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Anonymous

This exactly.

Using animal testing for cosmetics (make up, shampoo, etc.) is wrong, because those things aren't nessacary.

But using animal testing for medical purposes, even though it may be horrible, could help many people AND animals.

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Simon

In response to “This exactly. Using animal testing for...

I actually made a post about this recently where I explain my position more: http://www.amirite.net/580365

I dunno if I'm allowed to link now that this is the POTD, but it is relevant to the topic of animal testing.

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Simon

In response to “I actually made a post about this recently...

The thing of it is, regardless of whether or not you are all for animal rights, think that our lives are of greater/lesser importance, or even have a "for the greater good" mentality, I think when it comes to this subject people tend to have somewhat faulty logic. Sure certain animals have similar DNA, but it isn't exact. How many medication recalls have we seen, say, in the last few years? How many lawsuits against drug companies? The point I'm trying to make is, whether we like it or not, it kind of seems that because of these inaccurate results humans are the Guinea pigs anyway ... It looks to me as though medicinal animal
testing is an unnecessary step in that equation. Does that make sense?

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Cuban_B Cuban_B

In response to “The thing of it is, regardless of whether or...

Yes, that does make sense, and it is very true.

Like I said, I'm not an expert on this.
But I guess it would be alright if the animals testing was the benefit that particular species (Ie testing on dogs for a disease in dogs) or in an animal they know the results will be similar to humans (I know that pigs have very similar organs to us).

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Simon

In response to “Yes, that does make sense, and it is very...

Yes, I do agree with that. Lol and this might seem a bit off the wall but have you ever seen/heard of a movie called Fire in the Sky? A guy is abducted by aliens, they probe and torture him, yadda yadda yadda, it's old and cheesy yet as a child that scared the living shit out of me! Not just because of what happened, but why it happened. The indifference! It wasn't malicious or cruel, in fact I'm sure it was scientific. However it was the blatant and unspoken "**** you, you don't matter" of the
situation that struck such a note of terror for
me. I suppose I see too many parallels. Haha sorry for going on and on.

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Cuban_B Cuban_B

In response to “This exactly. Using animal testing for...

Not trying to criticize, but how exactly does torturing animals help them?

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DobbyTheElf DobbyTheElf

In response to “@1198926 (Simon): Not trying to criticize...

I know it's controversial, and it is an "ends justifies the means" "for the greater good" thing, but testing medicines on animals might help find cures and treatments for certain animal species.

It's horrible, I'll admit, and I don't think people are foolish for opposing it, but if, for example, you know about the Tasmanian Devil cancer thing that only occurs in Tas Devils? If testing on a few of them, and having them suffer during it, if that finds a treatment that would help all the Tas Devils, is it worth it?

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Simon

In response to “I know it's controversial, and it is an...

Would humans ever try to find that cure, and if they did would they use it? No.
1) Endangered species. Humanitarians would never, ever alow someone to slice them open even if it's for their own good.
2) Does it help humans, no, so there is no funding for it.
3) Say someone does pay for it because it might link to human cancer. Will they pay for the cure to be used on all the Tasmanian Devils?

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kimmyy kimmyy

In response to “Would humans ever try to find that cure, and...

They are trying to find a cure, and there is funding. The University of Sydney has devoted a whole research grant towards it. And the cancer doesn't affect humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De...tumour_disease

I can't answer all hypothetical situations - and I'm have a position on this, but not a firm one. Just that medical science isn't purely devoted to human illness - animal diseases are a key part of cure and treatment research.

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Simon

In response to “They are trying to find a cure, and there is...

Sorry, before anyone clicks on that Wikipedia link - There's a rather sad and distressing picture of a Devil infected with the cancer, if you're sensitive to that sort of thing.

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Simon

In response to “Sorry, before anyone clicks on that Wikipedia...

I read that article, and I find it bewildering. yet ANOTHER disease decimating a population of animals! I know that evolution and "survival of the fittest" has something to do with it, but it seems like their are a ton of animals and plants that are dealing with species-threatening diseases.

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Ross Ross

In response to “I read that article, and I find it...

let's just blame it all on Global Warming!

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DerpyHooves DerpyHooves

In response to “I read that article, and I find it...

There's always heaps of people handing out flyer and they have these laminated booklets and shite about the Devils, and I'm not sure whether this is true of not, but apparently it's due Tasmania's bush continually being cut down. Like, quite a large part of Tasmania was bushland until the early 90s, and the hippies trying to get me to join said that was the reason.

But I dunno, because like the other articles say, the disease is mostly due to spreading and breeding, so it may just be a coincidence that it occurred at the same time as the bush being reduced, and not as a dire result of it.

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Simon

In response to “Sorry, before anyone clicks on that Wikipedia...

This may sound bad, but I didn't want to click on the link until you said that there was a sad picture...

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NoSoapRadio NoSoapRadio

The main problem with this is that animal testing for medicine is inaccurate. Medicine doesn't work the same way in monkeys or rats as in humans, so you end up with a load of painfully killed animals and not too many cured humans.

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Anonymous

In response to “The main problem with this is that animal...

Yes. We only share less than 2% of diseases with other animals. This doesn't lead to very accurate results as we have to give the animal a disease they couldn't naturally get. For example, we have found many cures for AIDS in chimps, but none of these have worked on humans. It is just not worth it with the horrible conditions they have to live in and the inaccurate results. I do understand where OP is coming from though.

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abcd1234 abcd1234

In response to “The main problem with this is that animal...

Medicine isn't tested on animals and then just given straight to people. Ever medicine available on the market has to go through clinical trials (on humans) before the FDA approves it. They do animal tests to make sure it doesn't kill the humans they'll eventually test on.

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SaintNICK

I agree, but I disagree too. People get paid to test new medicines. What do the animals get? But I understand the whole human lives>animal lives thing.

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pikabeau pikabeau

In response to “I agree, but I disagree too. People get paid...

I think that the dogs would earn a free pass to dog heaven because not every animal can say they've had a positive impact on society.

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Ross Ross

In response to “I think that the dogs would earn a free pass...

What about the bunnies and kitties?

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pikabeau pikabeau

In response to “I agree, but I disagree too. People get paid...

One of the reasons we use animals though is because you can breed them to have certain traits. Breeding humans takes waaaay too long, and no one would give up their babies to do a study.

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Anonymous

In response to “One of the reasons we use animals though is...

We do studies on babies? I thought whenever scientists did human testing, even for baby products, it's on adult humans.

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pikabeau pikabeau

In response to “We do studies on babies? I thought whenever...

No, we don't. When we test on animals, for more scientific research (aka not cosmetics) we need specific traits, so they breed the animals.

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Anonymous

In response to “I agree, but I disagree too. People get paid...

The dogs should get a Scooby Snack.

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Ninjaintraining Ninjaintraining

Okay. Problem one is the fact that animal trials rarely if ever mirror human trials. Problem two is that there are faster, more accurate, AND cheaper alternatives to animal testing, such as in-vitro, but law requires all pharmaceutical companies to test on animals.

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GrammarGirl

In response to “Okay. Problem one is the fact that animal...

I used to be completely against the whole idea of animal testing but when my dad was diagnosed with an incurable disease, my opinion was changed. He has ALS and before they started testing, it would take a life in less than five years. Now they're testing on mice and the survival time has increased to, in some cases, 25 years. They are working on not only slowing and stopping the disease, but also reversing its effects. They have had great success in both the mice and humans. I understand it is not always like that but if one of your family members' life was at risk, wouldn't you be okay with animal testing if it would potentially save them?

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SugarRushhh

In response to “I used to be completely against the whole...

If animal testing was the only option, sure. But we have alternative means of testing which have been proven to be more accurate. What happens if we found the perfect cure for mice, but when the drug gets tested on humans it's totally ineffective? If you'd tested with in-vitro or any of the other new testing methods, there's almost no chance that would happen. Testing would be faster, and the drug would be already through production.

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GrammarGirl

In response to “If animal testing was the only option, sure...

For one thing, they would probably test the genes to make sure humans and mice share the same genes (which the probably would - http://www.newscientist.com/art...-into-men.html )
Also, many animals are bred for the sole purpose of testing, and the ones that aren't like dogs probably came from a shelter where they were going to be euthanized anyway.

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Ross Ross

In response to “Okay. Problem one is the fact that animal...

In vitro tests aren't actually that effective. If you were to test a product on a cell culture, then you wouldn't have the benefit of seeing the effect on various other tissues, systems, and the body as a whole. If you were to fertilize an animal embyro in vitro, it may give some insight into development, but not likely effects on the adult.

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FYE

Are people really that concerned about mice?

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GiggityGoo22 GiggityGoo22

In response to “Are people really that concerned about mice?

Most people think "animal testing" means testing on puppies, like in Legally Blond...

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Anonymous

In response to “Most people think "animal testing"...

It does. Chimpanzees, monkeys, guinea pigs, dogs, cats, sheep, rabbits, mice, rats, and many other animals are all tested on.

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Anonymous

In response to “It does. Chimpanzees, monkeys, guinea pigs...

Don't forget the guinea pigs.
Where do you think these wings came from?

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FlyingGuineaPig FlyingGuineaPig

In response to “It does. Chimpanzees, monkeys, guinea pigs...

But still, mice and rats make up 90% of animals bred for testing.

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Tallglassofwater Tallglassofwater

In response to “But still, mice and rats make up 90% of...

(Tallglassofwater):Yes, but there are still hundreds of thousands of other animals tested on each year. They don't even count the rats and mice.
In 2005 there were:
66,610 dogs
57,531 primates
58,598 pigs
245,786 rabbits
22,921 cats
176,988 hamsters
64,146 other farm animals
32,260 sheep
231,440 other animals
221,286 guinea pigs

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Anonymous

In response to “(Tallglassofwater):Yes, but there are still...

In 2005 more than double of all that humans died.

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Anonymous

In response to “In 2005 more than double of all that humans died.

That is not all the animals that died that year, that is just the animals that died from animal testing that they recorded.

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Anonymous

In response to “In 2005 more than double of all that humans died.

WHO GIVES A ****.

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Anonymous

In response to “(Tallglassofwater):Yes, but there are still...

Oh cmon, rabbits and guinea pigs? Ever heard the expression "those two **** like rabbits"? Probably a good eighth of those rabbits came from one or two rabbit couples. That's like counting the amount of gophers that have been shot by farmers.

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “(Tallglassofwater):Yes, but there are still...

And they are the lucky ones. Some are put through these trials, survive, and are put through more test even with disfigurements from the first test. Finally, when the humans decide that they are no longer useful, they murder them.

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kimmyy kimmyy

In response to “Are people really that concerned about mice?

while all these other people are right saying that many other types of animals are being tested on besides mice, why wouldn't we care about mice? a living thing is a living thing and just because it's smaller it doesn't mean it's somehow not as important as any other organism. if you test on it it will feel the excruciating pain any other living being would feel, so why dismiss that?

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rowanne rowanne

But what does that have to do wih those animals?...

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Sobriquet

In response to “But what does that have to do wih those...

They may get to save a person's life.

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mchristie mchristie

http://www.amirite.net/541697

Funny how people sway both ways, and both posts are positive. (hmm)

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Montana Montana

In response to “http://www.amirite.net/541697 Funny how...

Your's is specifying prisoners.
The two things wrong w/yours:

1) Hitler tested on innocent Jews because they were "prisoners"
(the connection I was JUST informed of below)

2) It opens the door to testing on people for anything. "Jaywalking? Eh? Hold still while you I give you this shot..."

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mchristie mchristie

In response to “http://www.amirite.net/541697 Funny how...

We should do our testings on the pedophiles and rapists. They are worthless scum, and doing the testing would make it so they have so positive effect on society.

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homosexualpumpkins

In response to “We should do our testings on the pedophiles...

What if an 18 yr. old has **** with a 15 yr. old (equivalent of high school senior and sophomore)?

Statutory Rape.

Where do we draw the line?

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mchristie mchristie

In response to “What if an 18 yr. old has **** with a 15 yr...

...Is that even illegal? He'd be a senior, and she'd be a sophomore. :|

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homosexualpumpkins

In response to “Is that even illegal? He'd be a senior...

In many states it is illegal.

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mchristie mchristie

In response to “In many states it is illegal.

I meant the people that have ** with minors when they weren't allowed to a year earlier. That old guy that ** that 8 year old? Let's test the shit on him, instead.

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homosexualpumpkins

Well, if we don't let people die, that could mean trouble in the future.

No space, food, water, resources for everybody, etc. We are WAAAAY overpopulated right now and it's only going to get worse as we 'progress.'

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JaedtheEcho JaedtheEcho

In response to “Well, if we don't let people die, that could...

There is about 7 billion people in the world now, if we all stood shoulder to shoulder we would only fill a city the size of Los Angeles. The world is not even close to being over populated.

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thatsjustmii

In response to “There is about 7 billion people in the world...

Right now there are a little under 7 billion people in the world, and over 1 billion of these people are starving. In 2050, we are expected to have an extra 2 billion mouths to feed. That sounds just a little overpoupulated to me.

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orangemanatee

In response to “Right now there are a little under 7 billion...

I think that's more because of a lack of distributing resources than population problems, though...

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twisted_memories twisted_memories

In response to “Right now there are a little under 7 billion...

the problem isn't that their is no food, its that one part of the world takes the majority of the resources

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thatsjustmii

In response to “There is about 7 billion people in the world...

Alright, fine. But we apparently don't know how to manage those 7 billion people and it will be our own downfall.

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JaedtheEcho JaedtheEcho

In response to “There is about 7 billion people in the world...

the number of people is irrelevant- its the fact that our resources are being drained at a completely unsustainable pace.

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deeviant deeviant

In response to “Well, if we don't let people die, that could...

So we should just let those people who have loved ones and lives die just for the good of those lucky enough not to contract the disease? These people will pass away eventually anyway-just like the rest of the population. That does not mean that we should let them die an early death if we have possibilities to save them. The way you wrote that comment was so callous and selfish. We can't look at people as just "The Population." They are PEOPLE with LIVES and FAMILY. They matter- even if you don't think they do.

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Anonymous

In response to “So we should just let those people who have...

Survival of the fittest, natural selection, whatever you want to call it, the world is becoming over populated, there was always thi joke in my 9th grade social class "If we fed all the obese children in the world to all the starving kids in the world, we could solve over-population AND world hunger!"

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “So we should just let those people who have...

Well, if you don't look at people as The Population and instead just their individual lives, we'll get nowhere in fixing this problem or soon-to-be problem.

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JaedtheEcho JaedtheEcho

In response to “Well, if we don't let people die, that could...

Okay, I guess we'll just let you die then since the world is "overpopulated."
....Really?

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Neshy Neshy

In response to “Okay, I guess we'll just let you die then...

Then, that would be a good thing. It would suck to be me, but better for the world and humanity in general.

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JaedtheEcho JaedtheEcho

Because I'm a horrible person and don't care for people, I strongly disagree with this post.
Why not use humans instead. It will give them more accurate results.
And whats a couple of people gone to help thousands of other people?
I mean, if the "cure" ends up not working, the lost lives still meant something. And plus it'll even out the population by a bit.
And get people who are desperate for a cure.. Because I'm sure that there are many people out there willing for it.
If not, get prisoners to do it.. They are just lying around in jail for basically their whole life doing nothing to help the world.
(Bring on the hate) (:

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Canadian_Ninja Canadian_Ninja

In response to “Because I'm a horrible person and don't care...

The ends don't justify the means.

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528491 528491

In response to “Because I'm a horrible person and don't care...

Here is the hate.

I already posted my opinions on testing on prisoners on the last post about this, which got voted down quite a lot, but I think no human should be subjected to torture. Including pedophiles and serial killers. Testing on humans without their consent is torture. I would rather test on the kindest bunny in the world than Osama Bin Ladin.

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ender ender

In response to “Here is the hate. I already posted my...

I respect your opinion, but because I don't like the human species very much, I think the opposite.

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Canadian_Ninja Canadian_Ninja

In response to “I respect your opinion, but because I don't...

Aww, emo want a hug?

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Anonymous

In response to “Aww, emo want a hug?

I'm not emo? Most stereotypical emo's tend to hate the world.. not just the species.

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Canadian_Ninja Canadian_Ninja

In response to “I'm not emo? Most stereotypical emo's tend to...

I take offense to that

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “I take offense to that

I think that most people do. Seeing as you are people and all.

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Canadian_Ninja Canadian_Ninja

In response to “I think that most people do. Seeing as you...

I only take offense because, as an emo, I don't hate anything

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “Here is the hate. I already posted my...


Are you saying that you believe that animals deserve that treatment? That they have lesser rights then us, just because we are the more dominent species? Humans are technically animals, and we shouldn't be using animals for our own needs.
BUT, in some cases it might be nessaccary. I do kind of understand where you are coming from. It's kind of a hard subject-I believe that animals deserve equal rights, but I am also strongly against the whole 'lethal injection' punishment America offers (why should they play God?) which seems to be the most sensible alternative.
I see now that my opinion wasn't really needed : ahaha

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yumcha

In response to “Because I'm a horrible person and don't care...

Watch "I Am Legend"

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “Watch "I Am Legend"

Good movie.. Kind of scary. I don't think that something like that would ever happen though. And if it did, we have lots of military to take care of it before it spreads or something.

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Canadian_Ninja Canadian_Ninja

In response to “Good movie.. Kind of scary. I don't think...

So did they, and I think it's quite possible. With all the genetic engineering and stuff going on, how long before somebody makes a mistake and we have a "Zombie Apocolypse"

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “Because I'm a horrible person and don't care...

Do you want to be my Joseph Mengele?

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Adolf__Hitler Adolf__Hitler

In response to “Do you want to be my Joseph Mengele?

I think I'll pass.. :)

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Canadian_Ninja Canadian_Ninja

Its true that for medical purposes, animal testing is sometimes necessary. But for stuff like makeup, soap, or razors? I mean seriously,there are plenty of products that manage to stay safe and effective without killing hundreds of innocent animals in the process. They should get more recognition.

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BeedleTheBard BeedleTheBard

In response to “Its true that for medical purposes, animal...

...how does a shaving razor kill hundred of animals? And why would that even need animal testing?

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “how does a shaving razor kill hundred of...

Thats my point exactly.

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BeedleTheBard BeedleTheBard

In response to “Thats my point exactly.

You could pretty much test that on a carpet, or plush toys

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

I agree but this is a bad POTD

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Anonymous

In response to “I agree but this is a bad POTD

I disagree. This is an extremely good post of the day, as people have differing opinions on the topic and are able to voice them in the comments.

In any case, this post is better than those old jokes that seem to always make POTD.

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ActionMan

In response to “I disagree. This is an extremely good post of...

I disagree with you and I am voicing my opinion. I like the jokes way better.

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Anonymous

In response to “I disagree with you and I am voicing my...

Fair enough, but I prefer to see the opinions on this website, rather than the jokes I've already seen on Facebook or other sites.

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ActionMan

In response to “I disagree with you and I am voicing my...

Jokes are funny, but you can't debate over jokes. You can't learn new things from jokes. You can't see other peoples' opinions and views with jokes.

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Sobriquet

In response to “Jokes are funny, but you can't debate over...

Depends on the joke

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

As a fellow animal, I believe in the preservation of my species. And if that means the sacrifice of mice, so be it. This is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

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_____________

In response to “As a fellow animal, I believe in the...

Wouldn't that actually be a kingdom? I'm not sure of the actual order of that all, only took bio in grade ten, but I don't think it's the animal species :p

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “As a fellow animal, I believe in the...

..but you're not making any sacrifices.

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rowanne rowanne

What really annoys me is that people try to make controversy out of stem cell research and other genetic manipulation shit (ignore "manipulation"'s bad connotation). I've not once heard a good argument against it.

inb4 "stem sells **** from baby abortions u baby eatr (cry2)"

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “What really annoys me is that people try to...

I was aborted and I'm offended.

/not letting an overused meme die

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Simon

In response to “What really annoys me is that people try to...

"stem sells **** from baby abortions"

As opposed to the toddler abortions, pre-teen abortions, and elderly abortions, Ben's strawman.

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Simon

In response to “"stem sells **** from baby...

No, as in when the baby gets pregnant. http://www.amirite.net/572932

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ActionMan

In response to “"stem sells **** from baby...

"Strawman"? Are you insinuating that I'm fighting the strawman? Son, I'm gonna go logic on your ****

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “"Strawman"? Are you insinuating that...

Your INB4 was a strawman.
You weren't fighting him, but typing the usual argument against stem cell research in chatspeak and in an overly-simplistic way = strawman.

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Simon

In response to “"Strawman"? Are you insinuating that...

I'm not dissing your use of it, though.

I don't wanna debate you Ben. I'd rather debate someone who has the most loved comments, like DanielJames.

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Simon

In response to “What really annoys me is that people try to...

I had to do a report on stem cell research in my last year of high school. It's actually a really interesting topic. I'm for it, based on the undeniable benefits it could provide.

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ActionMan

In response to “I had to do a report on stem cell research in...

I haven't read that much about it.
Is it true most stem cells can come from umbilical cords rather than terminated pregnancies.

Also, with regards to motivation - banning stem cell research isn't banning abortion. This is gonna sound a little morbid, but abortions are going to occur anyway, so we might as well put them to use. And I don't think legalising stem cell research will make a woman abort a pregnancy that she wouldn't have if it were illegal.

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Simon

In response to “I haven't read that much about it. Is it true...

Yea, you can get them from the umbilical cord. I'm trying to remember all the facts now haha.

Yea, that was the point I made with my report when I was justifying my opinion. No matter what, people are going to get abortions. I mean, they says abortion is a waste of a life, but it's wasted even more if the stem cells aren't used to help another.

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ActionMan

In response to “I haven't read that much about it. Is it true...

Abortions have nothing to do with stem cell research.

Additionally, if you're insinuating that I'm fighting a straw man, I'm gonna have to go logic on your ****

Long live my retarded meme!

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “Abortions have nothing to do with stem cell...

Abortions aren't a part of stem cell research; however, they are related. Stem cells from the aborted fetuses can be used.

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ActionMan

In response to “Abortions aren't a part of stem cell...

Stem cells do not come from aborted fetuses. That's some retarded authoritarian conspiracy that someone thought up to make a controversy for their anti-stem cell agenda.

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “Stem cells do not come from aborted fetuses...

You can do stem cell research on aborted fetuses, but also on the inner cells of a blastocyst, which is a pretty early stage of development (in my opinion, it's not a baby until it pushes its way of the ****). But I think stem cell research can also be done on somatic cells, like bone marrow or something like that (induced pluripotent stem cells) so they don't need to use embryos anymore.

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ender ender

In response to “You can do stem cell research on aborted...

I've never heard of stem cells coming from aborted fetuses. They are retrieved through a process called in vitro fertilization, which is a process to create an embryo and implant it in a woman's womb. This is for couples who can't conceive a baby naturally. Usually, multiple embryos are made, so extras are frozen and stored. With the couple's consent, they can be donated for embryonic stem cell research.

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Sun Sun

In response to “I've never heard of stem cells coming from...

Yay someone who knows what they're talking about. Embryonic stem cells are much more useful for research and possible treatments than adult stem cells that are found in umbilical chords or bone marrow.

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SpearmintMilk SpearmintMilk

In response to “Yay someone who knows what they're talking...

Yup. However, there are stem cells found in amniotic fluid with all of the properties and potency of embryonic stem cells. Then there are other alternatives, listed in the first paragraph of my comment below.

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Sun Sun

In response to “What really annoys me is that people try to...

My English class is assigned a speech to defend a side in a controversial topic, and continuing the stem cell research just seems like the logical idea. Plus, there are alternatives and other ways to retrieve stem cells without "killing a baby", like parthenogenesis, the single-cell embryo biopsy method, somatic cell nuclear transfer (not done yet; theoretic), etc.

Plus, I don't mean to bash on other people's religion, but when you think about it, sometimes the Bible is halting the progress of our society. Religion was created as a story to explain what happened, but now we have logical explanations for everything. Setting laws completely around the Bible is unfair. Like same-** marriage or stem cell research. Setting laws to agree with the Christian religions is theocracy, not democracy, and is rather ethnocentric. Son, I'm gonna go logic on their **!

And if I've offended you by bashing the Bible a bit, sorry. Just stating my take on this topic. Long live your retarded meme.

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Sun Sun

In response to “My English class is assigned a speech to...

I agree completely. As religious and close to God as I am, I fully understand how those things halt social progress. I wish things like this were never connected to religion, because things like discrimination and general retardedness have nothing to do with faith.

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “What really annoys me is that people try to...

For all sake of argument, the argument of stem cell research (should be) is over. Scientists managed to take skin cells off of someone's arm, and, don't ask me for details, but they made stem cells out of them.

So theoretically in the future, if someone's liver is failing: doctors take skin cells from the arm, make into stem cells, grow liver specific to that person, do a transplant.

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Paradoxal Paradoxal

Oooh a serious POTD.

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Anonymous

So do we test animal vaccinations on humans?

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DerpyHooves DerpyHooves

Millions of animals in nature died today and suffered in the process. If some animals die for the benefit of humans, I'm all for it.

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wobbuffet wobbuffet

In response to “Millions of animals in nature died today and...

what about.......POKEMON TESTING!?!?!? (lolwut)

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DerpyHooves DerpyHooves

In response to “Millions of animals in nature died today and...

i don't think you can compare dying of natural causes to dying from being cut open, injected with chemicals, and mutilated.

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rowanne rowanne

I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.

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StealthApple StealthApple

In response to “I think animal testing is a terrible idea;...

Well, if they've prepared for the testing, I think they would have no reason to be nervous.

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Sun Sun

I would just like to know why people think that humans are more important than other animals. Why do we believe that? I certainly don't, in fact I believe quite the opposite. The only argument I know of would be "Well humans are smarter than animals, herp derp", but why would that make us more important? All it makes us is smarter. You cannot truly think about this and come away from it still believing that human beings are more important. We are not. In fact, we're DESTROYING the Earth, and, shocker of all shockers, we're too lazy to fix it! So in this way of thinking, it's obvious to see that this world would be just fine without human beings. It certainly would.

Now, why does that matter? Because you can't test harsh chemicals on something you have respect for. As someone above me said, "human health > animals". Why? And since we never test animal products on humans, it's obvious to see that somehow we have convinced ourselves that we run the world because we're the smartest.
N...

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Sobriquet

In response to “I would just like to know why people think...

I would just like to state that Earth isn't in anyway in danger as of now. Us humans are **** though. But you said yourself that we aren't anymore important than other animals.

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caleb caleb

In response to “I would just like to state that Earth isn't...

It isn't in danger?

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Ross Ross

In response to “I would just like to know why people think...

Aw damn, it cut off. Here's the rest:

Now here's where I finally state my point: Animal testing that doesn't hurt the animals at all - there's really no argument against that. But once it does, then that's where my point comes into play.

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Sobriquet

In response to “I would just like to know why people think...

You make a VERY valid argument (no sarcasm here); however, as living organisms, it is only natural for humans to want to benefit human existence before thinking of animals, just like it's natural for other animals to try to continue their existence. Animals compete for resources and don't really care about the well being of the other organisms. For example, cuckoo birds will lay their eggs in starlings' nests and use the starlings as surrogate parents to raise the much larger cuckoo chick. The cuckoo can kill the starling chicks and drive the starling parents to the point of exhaustion. One can argue that humans have taken a similar approach with animal testing. Why spare human lives when you can kill off other animals, since the goal is to continue the species. Why do we not test animal medicines on humans? Because it wouldn't help our species.

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Lkun Lkun

In response to “I would just like to know why people think...

YES, we are destroying the world and perhaps taking this too far, but if you consider humans to be on the same level as animals, you can argue that humans are just trying to survive. (This is ironic because we are killing off many essential animals that could collapse the ecosystem once extinct, so we are really killing ourselves)

Anyways, this probably didn't answer anything and had no relevance whatsoever to anything you said. So yeah...

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Lkun Lkun

In response to “YES, we are destroying the world and perhaps...

But we're smart enough to know better. They aren't.

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Sobriquet

In response to “I would just like to know why people think...

with that logic I could say that at some point in your life you have killed an animal (not on purpose but for food or in one way or another) or multiple animals and since they are more important you are now a murderer. We are not destroying the earth like every main-stream news station will tell you and in fact, thats the dumbest thing you could say. Earth will live on no matter what effect us Humans do the only thing we can do to the Earth though is make it more hostile towards us and eventually make it uninhabitable.

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_no_

In response to “with that logic I could say that at some...

Uninhabitable is what they mean when they say destroying it >.> they don't actually mean destroying it as in breaking it or blowing it up (ono)

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “Uninhabitable is what they mean when they say...

Destroying sounds like were making the earth literally fall apart. Use a better term.

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_no_

In response to “@1216248 (Kluklayu): Destroying sounds like...

Um, thanks for explaining my point to me?

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “I would just like to know why people think...

Humans are actually the LEAST important species on this planet in terms of the food chain. If every single human died right now, nature would take over, our cities woils crumble, and the pollution would basically disappear. However, if every insect died, the food chain would collapse, not to mention all the dead bug bodies everywhere >.>

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “I would just like to know why people think...

I'd just like to say, no matter WHAT circumstance, animals will ALWAYS suffer due to the existence and interference of humans. Always.

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Moose Moose

One thing that I'm going to piss off some people with:
IT SHOULD BE SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST WITH ALL SPECIES.
Humans **** up evolution with this shit. If we had lived such as animals do with letting the weak ones die, we would have a possibly superhuman race by now with no cancer, or any other diseases that are genetically inherited.

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awesomesocks awesomesocks

In response to “One thing that I'm going to piss off some...

You claim humans had any significant effect on the evolution of animals, discounting artificial selection as that is not the matter of discussion? Well, good sir, I do in fact believe that is shit of the bull variety.

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “You claim humans had any significant effect...

I was asleep in bio class for most of this chapter, but I've even talked to my teacher about it before.

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awesomesocks awesomesocks

In response to “I was asleep in bio class for most of this...

You study how humans augment natural selection? That's some atypical material

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “You study how humans augment natural...

It was a discussion after class. And you seem to be quite the comment **** tonight.

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awesomesocks awesomesocks

In response to “One thing that I'm going to piss off some...

We're not **** up natural selection. We're just taking it on a new path. I agree though. Survival of the fittest. And it's not like what we're doing is causing mass extinction. Perhaps it is unethical to basically breed animals for the purpose of testing on them. But people could say the same thing about breeding animals to keep as pets.

LET'S STOP CAGING UP DOGS AND ALLOW THEM TO LIVE IN THE WILD AS THEY NATURALLY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

I don't actually believe this, and I know that keeping pets is distinctly different from testing on animals, but let's be real here. We're being cruel by domesticating animals, perhaps.

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abouttobevoteddown

In response to “We're not **** up natural selection. We're...

1) Domestication isn't inherently cruel. Animals that know they are safe and are in a comfortable environment are infinitely happier than animals that struggle to survive every day. Also, "let's be real here...perhaps"

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “1) Domestication isn't inherently cruel...

Also, I thought that domestication happened more by accident than intention (in most cases). As in, wild dogs would hang around homes because they got food scraps and were protective of that area. Obviously it wasn't long until people started "owning" them.

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twisted_memories twisted_memories

In response to “@1215367 (polarthebear): Also, I thought that...

No, it was def artificial selection

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polarthebear polarthebear

Humans are animals...

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DerpyHooves DerpyHooves

In response to “Humans are animals...

Cake is dessert

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “Cake is dessert

Life is death

+253 Reply

DerpyHooves DerpyHooves

In response to “Life is death

All freedom is slavery.

+891 Reply

Simon

In response to “All freedom is slavery.

You're in then you're out; you're up and your down.

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polarthebear polarthebear

In response to “All freedom is slavery.

War is peace.

+352 Reply

ender ender

In response to “War is peace.

The first rule of fight club is we never talk about fight club.

+572 Reply

RobotDevil RobotDevil

In response to “The first rule of fight club is we never talk...

No, this is Patrick.

+561 Reply

Sun Sun

In response to “The first rule of fight club is we never talk...

Where would we be if there were no sacrifices?

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StickCaveman StickCaveman

In response to “Where would we be if there were no sacrifices?

CCC-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER.

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Anonymous

I wish we just had a macne to fix all of this.

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sonickemet

In response to “I wish we just had a macne to fix all of this.

All the answers lie in the futer.

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caleb caleb

How about NOT using animals and just letting people die? All we've ever done is destroy the Earth, it'll only do more dammage if we keep multiplying. Face it: we're a plague.

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Anonymous

In response to “How about NOT using animals and just letting...

Obvious troll is obvious.

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Anonymous

In response to “Obvious troll is obvious.

The scariest thing about this is I don't think that this is a troll.

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IamProbablyaNinja

In response to “@1215225 (Anonymous): The scariest thing...

No, I am not a troll, and I know it's horrible, but just think for a second: who the **** are we to decide that our lives are more important than every other living creature's and that we can completely unbalance nature? We haven't even done anything good to deserve the privilege of hurting others to save ourselves.

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Anonymous

In response to “No, I am not a troll, and I know it's...

This is kind of what I said... in a less disturbing way.

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Sobriquet

In response to “No, I am not a troll, and I know it's...

Does a wolf think his life is more important than yours? I can guarantee he does and will do everything to keep himself and his pack alive

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Kluklayu Kluklayu

In response to “Does a wolf think his life is more important...

Yee fo reel dawg

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Anonymous

In response to “Does a wolf think his life is more important...

Well, first of all, a wolf doesn't think. Second, yes, a wolf DOES try to keep itself and its pack alive, but do you really think it's conscious of its prey's suffering? And even if it is, a wolf kills, he doesn't leave an animal to rot in a cage for its entire life. Third, the wolf population is far from being as great and as damaging as the human poulation. Besides, killing for food is part of the circle of life, what we humans did is deform it and make it much, much worse.

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Anonymous

In response to “No, I am not a troll, and I know it's...

I love your words

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LissaLoveless LissaLoveless

In response to “How about NOT using animals and just letting...

Reference to the matrix? (y)

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Paradoxal Paradoxal

In response to “Reference to the matrix? (y)

Nope, I never watched the movie, sorry to disappoint you...

+11 Reply

Anonymous

Well, a human would have a choice as to whether or not take the medicine. The animal doesn't, therefore, it is unfair.

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prism

what if we tested the medicine on people who are criminals. I would much rather see osama bin laden killed by being tested on than a bunny. (YES I KNOW HE IS DEAD)

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everybodydancenow

In response to “what if we tested the medicine on people who...

You could have just hit reply to my comment above, which this basically mirrors.

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ender ender

In response to “You could have just hit reply to my comment...

All you do is reply ignorantly, self-righteous because of your opinion. You could at least say things in a less in your face way... I mean maybe they didn't want to deal with that.

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Sobriquet

In response to “All you do is reply ignorantly...

How can you do anything "in your face" on the internet?

I don't think you like me Credetemi, but I'm not a troll.

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ender ender

I just don't know how to vote on this. Especially after reading all these comments.

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Boufaka Boufaka

In response to “I just don't know how to vote on this...

Have a family member with a disease.

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Anonymous

In response to “Have a family member with a disease.

I did. I've also watched my rabbit die. I still feel the same way.

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Sobriquet

In response to “I did. I've also watched my rabbit die. I...

Your rabbits death=Your family members death

??????

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Anonymous

In response to “Your rabbits death=Your family members death...

No. But fyi, a pet is a family member, and I love them both with all my heart. (and I've never watched a family memver die at the jaws of my dog)

+594 Reply

Sobriquet

In response to “No. But fyi, a pet is a family member, and I...

*applauds* you are so so right

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deeviant deeviant

In response to “No. But fyi, a pet is a family member, and I...

I watched my parakeet get mauled by my dog and I was depressed for months...

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LissaLoveless LissaLoveless

Animal testing doesn't just occur in the medical field. They also use it on beauty products and such.
But it is proven that animal testing isn't accurate, and there are other less expinseve & more accurate ways to test things without harming animals. I personally find animal testing suk and disgusting.

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kileysthename kileysthename

I'm probably the like 100th person to tell you this, but I love your name.

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richierich richierich

"92 percent of all drugs that are shown to be safe and effective in animal tests fail in human trials because they don’t work or are dangerous."
From this article- http://www.peta.org/issues/anim...d-science.aspx

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abcd1234 abcd1234

In response to “"92 percent of all drugs that are shown...

8 PERCENT SUCCESS RATE? Sweet! Just keep testing.

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Anonymous

In response to “"92 percent of all drugs that are shown...

PETA?!? REALLY? PETA?

Wow. Just Wow.

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OMFG

In response to “PETA?!? REALLY? PETA? Wow. Just Wow.

Haha, I knew someone would say this

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abcd1234 abcd1234

In response to “"92 percent of all drugs that are shown...

Don't animals and humans have like.... a different generic makeup or something like that.. We're different so what might work on, let's say, a mouse, might not work on humans.

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LissaLoveless LissaLoveless

If animal testing is wrong, I don't wanna be right!

...Doesn't that just sound awful?

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Shadi Shadi

Let's just **** kill the pedophiles and rapists and murders.

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homosexualpumpkins

Guys, if you're really interested in this, I recommend reading Man vs. Beast by Robert Muchamore.

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Whacka Whacka

Yeah, cause testing thalidamide on animals worked out grreeaat for the 20 000 people who are now dead/disabled because of the medicine that was 100% safe because poor animals were tested on and it didn't affect them.

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deeviant deeviant

In response to “Yeah, cause testing thalidamide on animals...

Without sacrifices, where would we be?

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StickCaveman StickCaveman

inb4 massive debate!

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StickCaveman StickCaveman

In response to “inb4 massive debate!

Awww shucks!

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StickCaveman StickCaveman

I definitely agree. I also agree with Simon's post about animal testing for medicinal purposes, but not cosmetic purposes.
We should test cosmetics on criminals.

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fuustoleit fuustoleit

(smile)
(ono)
(no)
(shy)

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anon

Who are we to say that we're so much better than any other species that we can test on them? Testing on animals isn't even remotely effective. We don't share enough DNA with animals to be able to test some drug on them, have it work, and be able to say that we can "safely" test on humans. Vote me down all you want, but I also believe that we don't need medication for quite a few drugs - we already have almost 7 billion people and we aren't even taking good care of everybody. When we're at the point where there are no 3rd world countries, where atleast everybody has some kind of shelter, and running water, and food (however bad it may be, it's better than nothing at all) then maybe we should start to find a cure for diseases. We could be spending the $18 BILLION dollars we spend testing on animals each year on providing clean water, food, and shelter for the families in other countries that has none of that. Vote me down all you want, it's my opinion...

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Princessa

...Animal some animals are born esecially to be tested on, they don't use innocent pets!

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Mollieee Mollieee

I wonder how many people who voted NW would be willing to risk their lives to test medicine in order to keep the animals from having to.

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Anonymous

In response to “I wonder how many people who voted NW would...

I would. Damn straight I would. If I died I'd be one less person to take care of. If you're testing on an animal, they can't say "Oh,I want to help save a human life! Test on me!" or say no. But I can, and I'd rather be tested on that some animal that was specifically bred for testing.

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Princessa

As someone who is currently alive thanks to animal testing I say ABSOLUTELY YOUARERITE!

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Anonymous

In my opinion I don't think this post should be POTD. It's a very debated topic and a lot of people have different views on it. It's kinda like having a POTD saying "abortion should be illegal, amirite?" except maybe not that extreme, but it's something like that.

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LissaLoveless LissaLoveless

In response to “In my opinion I don't think this post should...

You do realize that it's the POTD because it is a debatable topic? Obviously you don't really understand how this works

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Anonymous

In response to “You do realize that it's the POTD because it...

Yeah but you can see a lot of people disagreeing. I just think it's a touchy subject. Well to me at least.

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LissaLoveless LissaLoveless

In response to “Yeah but you can see a lot of people...

People disagree on any post. That's the point, these are opinions. I'm pretty sure there have been posts about abortions that are the POTD or posts that talk about races, religion, possibly inappropriate jokes, etc. The POTD makes people discuss and have conversations. It helps to see both sides of the argument

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Anonymous

Well this is a big debate. But ummm soon the world is going to be overpopulated and people are going to be KILLING each other to survive. There won't be enough space on earth, and pollution would cause havoc. I sound like an evil demon person here, but you know what let some people die. I know! I know! Its harsh, but a few dead could seriously improve the future. Think about what I said before screaming at me btw

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Poopie Poopie

In response to “Well this is a big debate. But ummm soon the...

Thank god I'm not the only person who thinks this.

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Princessa

In response to “Thank god I'm not the only person who thinks this.

OH PHEW!!! I thought I was a crazy lunatic murderer. XD

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Poopie Poopie

In response to “OH PHEW!!! I thought I was a crazy lunatic...

I know. I was wondering if I was a heartless monster for thinking this xD

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Princessa

I recently wrote a research paper on animal testing. It has led to some important medical advances (such as the treatment of polio) but animal testing can be very tricky. Animals aren't always infected by the same diseases as humans (monkeys can't develop human AIDS; mice can't develop human cancers), and substances that are harmful to animals might not be harmful to humans (or vice versa). For example, according to animal tests, cigarette smoke, arsenic, and asbestos have no advese effects on health, while penicillin is a deadly substance. A huge percentage of drugs created through animal testing show serious problems during clinical trials, such as severe side effects or failure to work at all. Of course, animal testing isn't as bad as many people think. A very tiny amount of experiments are classified as "high suffering." In many the animals feel little or no pain. Besides, it is still more accurate than computer programs or in vitro methods. For now, it's the best we can do.

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Anonymous

In response to “I recently wrote a research paper on animal...

I also just did a biology project on this, and there are several different methods for research that do not involve animals, the most popular one being stem cell research.

Humans can give consent, animals cannot, we are using these beautiful creatures for our own devices simply because we feel that we are somehow "better"

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Anonymous

DEATH TO HUMANS!

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lyenlion lyenlion

As soon as we find a cure to today's diseases a bunch of new ones will appear. It's survival of the fittest, but humans have pretty much gotten rid of that concept and that's why we are so over populated. And torturing animals for our benefit is wrong.

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BaliosButterfly

It makes me happy to see that most commets on here aren't saying "OMG!!1! You're stupid! [enter opinion here] is totally the way to go and you're wrong!"
I like that most people commeting on this post are stating their opinion AND listening to the opinions of others.

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Anonymous

Let me put it in an easy way: MICE ARE NOT LITTLE MEN. They dont react to things the same way as we do. Letting the monkey smoke? We know its bad why do we do it? watch "pee" (south park) let me explain: monkey flip out when they are peed on but after given a banana they shut up. Do we flip out when we get peed on and only calm down after getting a banana? I dont think so.

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Kristaxx Kristaxx

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