+356 You're really happy about gay marriage being legalized in New York, but you're surprised that it hasn't happened sooner. amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And why would I be happy about the sanctity of marriage being broken? It's fine for gay people to be together, but marriage is the union between a man and a woman. If you look at it from a naturalistic point of view, obviously the male and female sexes developed to be joined together and breed. If you look at it from a religious point of view, man and woman were created separate to be brought together in marriage. Either way, I don't see why someone would support it being called marriage when marriage is clearly meant to be between a man and a woman

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Says who? your bible? pfft

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Can you read? I addressed it from a religious and a naturalistic point of view. I never mentioned a Bible

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So you are saying your opinions of marriage are derived from religion, but not from any holy book? How does that make your argument any more solid? At least people who disagree with gay marriage because it is prohibited in the Bible have some sort of supporting evidence.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

(Chauncy Pickles):...I'm saying it's not unique to one holy book. I was trying to address it from every view point, for those who believe in a holy book and those who don't

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Human beings have defied both naturalism and religion. Unnaturally, we have cured many diseases and fed many people, unnaturally, some of us chose to be vegetarians and others have chosen to live sedentary lifestyles. We weren't meant to live those types of lives, but we do anyways because we can and that's what makes us happy. If two people are happy together, and they aren't bothering you, I don't see why you have to be so hateful. Also, the Bible says a lot of things are wrong, such as joining another religion (it actually states that, if your brother does so, you should stone him to death), you aren't allowed to cut your hair or wear mismatching clothes, and women are forbidden to speak in church. So, not only does the Bible have ZERO evidence of being true, but it's also defied by the followers of God, who have chosen only ONE part of it to take seriously so that they can throw hate at others. And you know what? That's also forbidden in the Bible.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If you'll notice, I said it's fine for gay people together. But as a society, we have decided marriage is between man and woman. This is both what is right, and what WORKS. I could argue your ignorant statements about the Bible, but the fact is, I never brought it into the picture. It is funny that your arguments are too weak to stand alone so you immediately attack what you ASSUME (without reason) are my personal beliefs - my personal beliefs (which I am keeping to myself) do not have any bearing on this argument. Red herring much?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Check out my reply to Kattfro for what I mean by regular marriage works in society better. And secondly, you might want to actually read the Bible before criticizing it - it is quite obvious you are parroting. Polly want a cracker? ;)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Personally, I disagree with you, but I do find it funny that anon had to bring up the bible to defend his/her argument. It wasn't necessary in this particular debate, and this is a perfect example of the fact that both sides will always have intelligent people who make good arguments, as well as idiots who just mimic what everyone else is saying.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes haha...there's always *that* one guy who agrees with your viewpoint, but you just want to tell "Shut up man, you're making us all look stupid."

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think that's what happened with everyone who keeps quoting the Bible without really understanding what the words mean, as well as Mr. Anonymous you completely shot down earlier. It would be a lot easier if only smart people were allowed to argue, but that would be unconstitutional so it's not going to happen. Oh well.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Why not consider the people?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

1312334 (CallMeMrRight): Well marriage is a secular institution,it has nothing to do with either religion or naturalsim!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

We found our secular institutional laws on what we believe. We believe in either religion or naturalism

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What we 'believe'? They are based on morals certainly but marriage is not one of those anymore. Marriage grants rights for couples by way of registration, it more of a regulatory institution now. It grants special in testate rules (latin for after death) when one partner dies as well as tax benifits. And btw if you actually look up 'naturalsm' it is actually quite a narrow idea...There are many other types of world views rather than arbitrarly dividing them into naturalism and religous...for an example humanism. and just on your point above about beeding: if it is wrong from a 'naturalistic' point of view for couples to marry because they cant breed, then you would be saying the same goes for stirile couples. Every species has adaptions and mutations some of which may not be benificial but i dont think that means in any way you can say that they be treated differently becuase it doesnt conform to the majority....

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I respect your opinion, but marriage isn't natural. Animals don't stick together. They mate, have offspring, and leave. The fact that we have marriage makes us quite unnatural, so it doesn't really have a true, seen-in-other-animals definition.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That's a good point...congrats, you're the only smart one to reply to my comment ;) So in your case, you're saying that it's more of just a social issue?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Pretty much, yes.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well in that case, what works? Marriage between a man and a woman, or gay marriage? In the case of population, obviously marriage between a man and a woman lol. In the case of how adopted kids are raised...eh, this one is difficult to judge, simply because gay marriage has not been around long enough to see it's effects on children raised in a gay home. However, (and this only directs the case of lesbian couples, not gay men) it has been VERY clearly shown that children raised in a fatherless home are MUCH more likely to be criminals

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Gay couples have been around for awhile, regardless of the legality of marriage. Both types of marriages can and have worked. Also, I'd rather be in a home where two people wanted me and adopted me rather than I was an accident and the parents didn't want me. In the case of children in orphanages and foster homes, having two parents regardless of orientation would be better than having almost no care at all. Adoptions are expensive so if someone went through the trouble of adopting a kid, odds are, it'll be a good home. About your fact, I believe children just need a loving home that sets boundaries. I don't think gender has anything to do with it. Single parents raise children just fine. Sorry if this sounds mean, it's not meant to :P

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Actually just another point about children in raised by gay parents : i think that on the whole they might actually be better off. Its generalizing and someone already bought up this point...But because gay couples cant copulate, and adopting is a long and arduous process (the same goes with surragcy and iv) Insures fully that children in these relationships are very much wanted. The parents must be in a stable relationship as well if they have gone through that process (as well as adoption having very high standards in the case of gay couples...)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Marriage is now viewed as a secular institution that the state may provide in order to give the couple rights. Nowadays, it has very little to do with religion. As long as you sign a certificate from the state, you're good.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

This is basically the same as a couple of the above comments, so I'm not gonna reply to this one, just read the other replies. Nothing personal, my fingers are just tired ;)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If the sanctity of marriage has not been destroyed yet, by "forces" other than gay marriage, I am not sure if it can be destroyed at all. Because religion and state are (at least in theory) separate in the United States, your argument against gay marriage on religious grounds is invalid. And about your "naturalistic" point of view: At this point, the necessity for every married couple to reproduce is more than just questionable. With just about 7 billion people, and 2 billion more on their way in the next few years, on earth today it simply isn't necessary. Besides, overpopulation is a serious issue since we cannot, for a few reasons, continue to support our growing population.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If you look at it from a moral point of view, equal rights are the way to go.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I agree entirely. Although I'm happy, it doesn't seem like this should be something we need to celebrate

by Anonymous 12 years ago

For some reason I read "It's really crappy about...", and I was confused.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well, this is probably going to spark a long argument like on the POTD. This is getting exhausting.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Less surprised, more disappointed. Took too long. Still happy though! ^^

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's bullshit howits banned in the remaining states. Inb4 massive comment war

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Exactly. Gays shouldn't have to go to another state to get married. It's progress, but nowhere near enough.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I just hope that the rest of the country follows New York's lead.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yay,now around 45 more states to go.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

44 states actually. 50-6. Pretty simple.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm hoping it causes a ripple effect. New York is a pretty big, influential state.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

im so happy! now neil patrick harris is engaged :3

by Anonymous 12 years ago