+259 It's annoying when people claim that the U.S is a "Christian nation" because it's a christian majority. We're also a white majority, does that mean we're a "White nation"? amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm almost sure America is the only place in the world with racial and religious difficulties. Everyone born in Japan is japanese, everyone from Russia is russian, regardless of skin color. However, in Ameirca, It's black and white. It's sad really.irca, It's black and white. It's sad really.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

(Khauri_Bourne):exceptno.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

it's sad that we see past where people are from and accept them as one of us? and it's not just black and white anymore. there's latino, asian, middle eastern, etc.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think she meant that we DONT see past the differences, as in everyone is not classified as American, but instead told our whole life that we are "white" "Asian American" "African American" etc.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think it's a Christian nation because it was founded by Christians with Christian morals and beliefs in mind. One nation under God.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So, you think, if I ever founded a nation it would be a Winged Guinea Pig nation, even if most of the population was made up of gold fish?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Except the US is not comprised of atheists. There is still a Christian majority, so in your example it would have to be a decent amount of both goldfish and flying guinea pigs.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

When the nation was founded it was founded based on the freedom of religion, speech, etc. (pilgrims on the mayflower coming to america to escape religious persecution) now as more people are coming to america to seek their own religious freedom, america is becoming more culturally, or religiously diverse. Because of this diversity, more and more people are claiming that america is no longer a christian nation. i would agree with this statement that presently, america is becoming less christian in the sense that people everywhere are complaining about crosses in public places and the Ten Commandments in courtrooms. But in the past, America was most certainly a christian nation. ...and to the guinea pig, you're comment made no sense and you just commented for the sake of arguing

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Founding fathers were deists. They gave us freedom of religion. All the "God" stuff added was implemented during the Cold War, not our founding. So yes, Christian MAJORITY, but not a Christian nation.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"founding fathers were deists"? Are you being serious? George Washington- Church of England/ Episcopal John Adams- Unitarian Thomas Jefferson- Unitarian/ Episcopal James Madison- Episcopal James Monroe- Episcopal... need I go on? Also, don't be ignorant and say all the God stuff was implemented during the Cold War. "In God we trust" has been put on coins since 1864. I will concede that it was adopted as our motto in 1956, but we were printing it long before it was made into law.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

http://ctrlv.in/28737 :O Oh and I knew about the coins. I meant in the pledge under god was added. But that stuff wasn't on our money originally anyway.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I never made the statement that Deism wasn't a factor. But to say that the founding fathers were deists is taking it a bit far. It gives the names of people who "were especially noted for being influenced by deism" deism is a philosophy. I am a practicing Baptist, but atheism influences me. It influences me to delve into The Word more, and to research the History of early Christianity. Of the founding fathers there were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, and there were 39 signers of the Constitution. The article you presented me claims some getting influenced by deism, some possible deists and only 1 direct deist (James Madison) James Madison also led college and state actions that resulted in the formation of the Episcopal Diocese of Virginia after the Revolution. So honestly I think the argument that the founding fathers being deist is extremely flimsy and not grounded in any fact.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

tl;dr. i don't wanna flame war. save your breath. and no, i'm not being a stuck up atheist or anything, i'm just not in the mood. i take it you're a theist and i respect that, but i am not so let's just agree to disagree.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

My intention was not to start an argument about anything other than what your comment asserted. Yes I am a theist but I've supported my statements with facts. You made the statement that "all the God stuff was implemented during the cold war" which I proved to be wrong and you can tell that by looking at coins predating the cold war. You also made the statement that the founding fathers were deists and then attempted to support yourself with something from wikipedia. My being a theist and you not being a theist is not the issue here, the issue is misrepresentation of facts, which is why I stated that you can hardly conclude the founding fathers were deists from the "article" that you sent. I feel that I in know way let my answers be biased because I am a Christian, I only made statements of historical fact.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

really the long responses aren't necessary. i'm just saying i don't feel like further discussing this whether i'm wrong or not. and honestly, even if our founding fathers were theists, it doesn't matter cause we're still a secular nation. SECULAR NATION. ki'mdonebye.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I like how in America "we're still a secular nation. SECULAR NATION." when I refuted every point you posed. Just because you believe it to be true does not make it the case. When you are ready to look at facts about history objectively I suggest you find another source than a liberal high school civics teacher

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I barely posted any points lolz. And I'm plenty objective but I can still recognize we are definitely not a christian nation even though it does seem that way. ki'mdone. c:

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So the enslavement of black people and the mass genocide of the natives falls under the title of Christian morals and values, right? Because THAT'S how this county was founded.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

all things have flaws, and do you know why? We're human. Yes, Christians have made mistakes in the past, but no sense in blaming a whole religion of people for things a few people, who happened to be Christians, did. It's like blaming all the Muslims in the world for terrorism...and yeah, i could just as easily make the argument that atheists had slaves too.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You misunderstood what I meant, I think. My point is that this nation wasn't founded on the principles of Christianity. Just because a few people held the title of Christian, that doesn't mean every one of their actions carried with them the true meaning of Christianity. It's unfair to Christians to claim that this nation was founded on it, when it clearly wasn't. It was founded on theft and bloodshed.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Nice. Obviously NOT what I meant.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I didn't say anything that wasn't true. Sadly, that is how this nation was founded, not on true Christianity. So people should really stop saying that ...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Religion and race are two very different things that shouldn't be compared to each other. And yes because the majority of American's ARE christian it isn't improper to say that the U.S. is a Christian nation. It's just the same as saying Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation. When the America we know today was first started it was started with Christian principles in mind. Freedom of religion is a great thing don't get me wrong, but it was originally intended to be more of a freedom of christian denominations.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Dude, you will NOT find many non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia, and you'll find a frickload of non-Christians in America.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

America isn't dubbed a Christian nation due to the majority being Christian but rather the fact that most of the non-civic holidays are for Christian festivals and the national anthem and currency mentions God through statement like "in god we trust."

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"In God we trust" wasn't added until the 1950's, not our founding.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The 1900's is a lot more modern than the 1700's. Just saying.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That's my point. We weren't founded as a Christian nation. We added that stuff during the cold war to show that we have morals or something unlike communists.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Although that may not be the founding, that is what I, as a Canadian with little interest in American history (and many other non-Americans) see from the American culture as it is now. Also, morals depend more on being well bred and well informed rather than being communist, socialist, or capitalist. Additionally, as a theory, communism is based on better morals than capitalism.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

@1325763 (BetterThanEzra1119): @1325618 (Shinsou): Mybad, I meant under god in the pledge, not the money. But the money thing wasn't added until the 1800's. still way after our founding.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Then why do only like 20% of the population attend church?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You don't need to attend church to be religious.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I was saying that why do not so many people go to church if so many people in America are Christian?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Because, you don't need to go to church to be a Christian.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

because of douchebags like you

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Then why is it one nation, under God. You would also never see a President that isn't a christian or a catholic. It is a very christian/catholic country. That's not a bad thing, it is just true. It is also a very white nation, just because there is a half black president doesn't stop it from being very white. People have to swear on a bible (christianity), there are God references on the currency, everything in the States is religion based, they are just open to other religions, unless you're muslim of course..

by Anonymous 12 years ago

there was only one catholic president just sayin

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Did you just say that America isn't open to Islam?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The number of Americans who resent everyone of that religion is absurd. The minority that represents terrorists groups is so small and yet they verbally attacked them after 9-11 and continue to hold prejudices against them. I'm not saying they aren't open to Islam per sé, just that they do not accept it as willingly.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Eh, I guess.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"Under God" wasn't even added to the pledge until 1948. We did just fine without it before then.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Actually, that is a bad thing.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes. Yes it does.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I wouldn't say it's a Christian nation because we don't have a national religion. It was founded on the principals of Christianity because the founding fathers were mostly Christian, but we are supposed to have religious tolerance and freedom. There's also a lot of emphasis on separation of church and state. I would say we're a country with room for all religions and peoples with a Christian and white majority. When the actual government is guided by a religious text (when the laws of the text are taken as federal laws: if they made it illegal to have sex outside of marriage or blaspheme against the text) then I would consider it otherwise.

by Anonymous 12 years ago