-103 Are you a killer when you anonymously bomb an unseen, unheard child whose only crime is being in the target village that day, and whose life is terminated against his or her will? Or are you a killer when you end the unseen, unheard life of a child whose only crime is to be present in the womb, and whose life is terminated against his or her will? The way I view it, it is hypocritical for one to say how horrible it is to end life in a foreign war, and then turn around and legalize the ending of, amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Abortion isn't killing because the fetus isn't aware of anything. It's like killing a dandelion- just a lump of cells.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

A living lump of living cells that will one day become a living human. And it's only "not aware of anything" very early on, brain activity starts within 8 weeks (During the first trimester).

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Call her what you will but if a woman can spend a few hundred to end one mistake that will be with her for the rest of her life then I'm all for it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I should use commas.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That is very very wrong. At around 25 weeks the fetus starts to have limited consciousness. At 8 weeks the embryo is just 1.6cm in size, and certainly not aware of anything.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

http://main.zerotothree.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ter_key_brainFAQ#fetus

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Did you even read that? It says that the brain development that is responsible for consciousness has only begun to function near the end of gestation.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But the brain activity is detected much earlier

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That doesn't mean they are aware of anything like you claimed!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

They are able to move around at that point and are developing senses... and to be honest, I really don't feel like having an abortion debate over the internet. If you want to understand my stance, you can go to http://www.frc.org/brochure/the-best-pro-life-arguments-for-secular-audiences and http://www.afterabortion.com/

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If it's not a child, you're not pregnant.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm pretty sure life starts when they can detect a heartbeat. It would also make sense for it to start only after the consciousness develops. I know that in general the brain develops before the heart but I'm not completely sure about the different parts of it. However, I do know that the frontal lobe finishes developing when the person's around twenty. So it's very possible (and likely) that the consciousness comes after the heart.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Have you seen the picture where a woman is having an operation done and the "fetus" grabs onto the surgeon's finger?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That doesn't make sense at all... An operation as in an abortion? Because they don't open you up for those. As for another operation, since when do they cut open the womb of a pregnant woman when she is not having a c-section? I call bullshit.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/thehand.asp google before you call 'false'.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Don't trust everything you read on the internet, honey.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Armas "Can't believe everything you read on the internet." "Can't believe everything you read in books." I am duly aware of this. That's why I read a lot of different articles relating to the same thing and make my own judgment. Don't assume I was like: "Maaah goshhhh a feeeetaaaaz rechin owt! Firrst link on googul mustt b tru!!!1!!!one!!!" Cause that's more insulting than you calling me honey.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I still don't believe it, but even if it is real, 21 weeks is over half way through the pregnancy. Abortions are generally performed within the first two months of the pregnancy. So your argument is still invalid.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

(valnoelle):LOL! I wasn't making an argument there. Just pointing out it is possible to operate on a fetus.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I wasn't making an argument? I asked if anyone had seen it and I wanted to here opinions.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Lawl that's from House. A fictional television show. It is false.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

(ForeverMarauder):Did you even click the link? Did you google the baby's name? Research first, then form an opinion and make a claim.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I clicked the link, saw the picture, and saw that at the top of the page, it said the description was inaccurate. If somehow the story is real, I don't actually care enough to google the baby's name. I'm not interested in how pro-life activists twisted a freak incident to suit their cause, when, in actuality, a situation like that would have nothing to do with the real issue, because a fetus able to grab a finger would be past the point in which it's legal to terminate.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

(ForeverMarauder):I wasn't using that image or story for that. Someone claimed it wasn't true. I pointed out it was. And if you'd read the article; you'd know the baby didn't grab the doctor's finger as the baby and mother were sedated. The rest of your comment was just rude to be honest, there's no need to call people freaks just because their opinion differs from yours. Manners can still be used in debates and or on the internet.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I said if it happened it was a "freak incident". I never called anyone a freak.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

(ForeverMarauder):Oh my word, so sorry. That's what happens when you go on amirite at work; you misread things. -_-

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Really, don't worry about it...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I've seen that picture too, but I heard it was fake

by Anonymous 12 years ago

http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/thehand.asp it is a real photo, but the details have been distorted.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That picture shows a fetus which is older than one which would be aborted, who is being operated on. It has nothing to do with abortion.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That picture is from an episode of House. Fictional TV show.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The picture you are referring to is linked below, and it's a screenshot from House, which is a medical drama. As in it's not real. Someone made it up. In the episode, he is operating on a women who is pregnant. Not only is it not real, the scene in itself isn't pro-life and is not even representative of an abortion.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No, It did in fact happen. House did a re-enactment on the show. For crying out loud simply type into google "fetus grabs surgeon" and the picture and story is everywhere. It isn't representing abortion, but it does show that an unborn baby has feelings and reacts.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The picture that is linked is a screenshot from House. If somehow this did happen during an abortion, the House scene wasn't a reenactment considering the House scene dealt with saving the fetus rather than aborting it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Of course it was not an abortion. the uterus was removed, and they were in fact saving the baby. I never said it WAS an abortion, simply a procedure on an unborn baby that responded.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"the unseen, unheard life" Well there you go.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Okay people! Before we start another abortion debate, I've got a solution! Let's just ask the fetuses how //they// feel for a change. How selfish of us not to do this sooner.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Really, it's my opinion. I don't think abortions right. Wether you agree with me or not, that "fetus", "baby", "not even a person yet", it's still a part of you...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"It's still a part of you" is not an argument unless you're against hair cuts.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

In the former situation, one or all of the following are true: The child is in pain. The child fears for his or her life. The child cries/screams due to this pain and fear. The child begs not to die. The child wonders what he or she did to deserve this. The child thinks of all he or she had left to do in his or her life... all the things he or she will miss. This child thinks of his or her family, friends, neighbors, and teachers all of whom will mourn the loss and whose lives will be forever altered. In the latter situation, none of the above is true. Not a single one, assuming that it is an early-term abortion. You can argue that once the embryo has become a fetus, and once that fetus begins to develop, that fetus might feel pain, but then the argument becomes about when to terminate, not the legality of the abortion itself. You cannot in any way compare the death of something that is aware of its existence and can experience fear with the death of something that does not possess these qualities.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

tl;dr;dc

by Anonymous 12 years ago

A Fetus has no will.

by Anonymous 12 years ago