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You don't understand veganism, because with things like dairy products and eggs, you don't hurt animals to obtain them, amirite?

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I'm not vegan or vegetarian. But usually the animals are abused.

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Astronaut_Will Astronaut_Will

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I'm not vegan or vegetarian. But usually the animals are abused.

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Astronaut_Will Astronaut_Will

In response to “I'm not vegan or vegetarian. But usually the...

...I work for my uncle, who is a butcher in a small town. Owns the business. Very small business. There are six employees. These cows lived happily in their farmer's big green pasture before walking into the lockers. They get shot twice between the eyes. They are in no way hurt or abused. Unless you buy your mea from some big processing company who doesn't give a sh!t about their customers or products, you're most likely not buying animal that's been abused.

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sierra37

In response to “I work for my uncle, who is a butcher in a...

Most people buy from big buisesses, that's why they're big, so no, you most likey are buying an animal that was abused.

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Frank_n_Furter Frank_n_Furter

In response to “Most people buy from big buisesses, that's...

I'M not buying an animal that was abused. You are the one who decides where to get your meat. I work at the lockers in a small town of 1700 people in Nebraska. So yeah, getting your meat from a WalMart is just kinda unheard of...

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sierra37

In response to “I'M not buying an animal that was abused. You...

If only everyone lived in a small town.

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Hullabaloo Hullabaloo

In response to “If only everyone lived in a small town.

Not a small town. Just somewhere that naturally raises the meat somewhat nearby. We get cows from an hour and a half drive away sometimes. There are probably ten or fifteen small meat lockers within a sixty mile radius of our town.

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sierra37

In response to “I'M not buying an animal that was abused. You...

"YOU'RE most likely not buying animal that's been abused."

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male

In response to “I work for my uncle, who is a butcher in a...

Why are they shot twice?

If the first shot didn't kill them, wouldn't that mean they're hurt?

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LinksLegionaire LinksLegionaire

In response to “Why are they shot twice? If the first shot...

They're probably shot twice in quick succession to ensure they die. This would minimize any suffering.

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wobbuffet wobbuffet

In response to “They're probably shot twice in quick...

Yeah, they're shot with a rifle, two shots within about ten or fifteen seconds. It's really fast, and they're already dead after the first shot. The second is just to make sure. Because we don't torture our cows. We don't slit their throats while they're alive.

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sierra37

In response to “Yeah, they're shot with a rifle, two shots...

I still fail to see your point, I wouldnt really appreciate being shot twice between the eyes,I'd prefer living. I am a vegetarian and i understand that at least they lived a nice life and didnt suffer as much as they could have, but still seems a bit murderous to me

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Anonymous

In response to “I still fail to see your point, I wouldnt...

You wouldn't appreciate it? No. You wouldn't give a feck; you'd be dead in an instant. Of course it's murderous. That's what killing is. But it's food. And nonvegetarians and nonvegans don't care. We see it as food. So we're gonna eat it.

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sierra37

In response to “You wouldn't appreciate it? No. You wouldn't...

It would actually take a second to die, and you'd feel it.

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Anonymous

In response to “It would actually take a second to die, and...

...Did you know that an instant and a second are the same thing? And if killing them in an instant isn't good enough for you, what do you recommend??

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sierra37

I'm a vegetarian but I think going vegan would be too much for me.

But, like the comment above, they often do abuse animals to get things like eggs and milk. I can't find the link right now, but I remember reading somewhere that most egg farmers give the hen's only enough room in their cage for about 3/4 of them to fit. The rest of their body is squeezed inside.
It's really sad.

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iceeselenawiz iceeselenawiz

In response to “I'm a vegetarian but I think going vegan...

They also feed them hormones to make them bigger and their legs won't support them because of all the weight so they snap.

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Frank_n_Furter Frank_n_Furter

In response to “I'm a vegetarian but I think going vegan...

Well the EU has banned battery cages for hens so incidences where that's happening are decreasing.

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Cedz Cedz OP

In response to “http://hiddenfaceoffood.com/ Really?

Okay maybe I should have phrased it better, animals don't have to be harmed. At home we buy only free range and organic products, I think more people should do that too.
Also thanks for the link, even though I couldn't finish watching.

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Cedz Cedz OP

In response to “Okay maybe I should have phrased it better...

True, animals don't have to be harmed. Chipotle, for instance, uses free range animals. I agree, more people should do that. And that video really is hard to watch...

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

In response to “http://hiddenfaceoffood.com/ Really?

You realize that those were very isolated incidents, right? Most of the industry does not do that.

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Thomas

In response to “You realize that those were very isolated...

They may not deliberately torture the animals, but they don't usually have pleasant conditions.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

In response to “They may not deliberately torture the...

Not everyone can afford to keep their livestock in a spa.

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Thomas

In response to “Not everyone can afford to keep their...

Yes, let's take pity on the poor slaughterhouse owners that can't afford to keep their animals healthy and in a humane environment. That is a horrible argument. If you can't afford to run a humane slaughterhouse then you shouldn't run one at all.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

In response to “Yes, let's take pity on the poor...

"Humane" and "pleasant conditions" are two different things. USDA Choice is "humane"; Kobe beef is "pleasant conditions."

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Thomas

In response to “Yes, let's take pity on the poor...

I actually have to agree. The USA isn't even set on health. If it's really that unhealthy, the FDA's on it, so you don't even have to worry.

We just like tasty foods. Nobody cares about the conditions of the animals because a lot of them die for food anyways. Plus, they're animals. It's either the slaughterhouse or be slaughtered by other animals. It's just that one is manmade, though, so that might be the problem. Even though they're bred for human purposes.

Those that produce eggs and such, however, can't say much for them. It must ridiculously expensive to have all that land and tons and tons of chickens or cows or something that all must be fed properly with the right food and not given any chemicals, which in turn would increase the price of their product.

Not everyone can afford that product. It's not even worth it most of the time. I wouldn't pay an extra 2 bucks for a carton of milk just because it was "made organically" which I've witnessed before in stores. We're in a recession, we need to watch our money. Even out of a recession, we need to watch our money. And the organically processed foods won't be making much if they can't even meet their cash quota. We're cheap.

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AdonisBatheus AdonisBatheus

Sure you don't hurt them but a lot of energy is lost through life processes that you lose energy. Thus, you are not helping the animals, but instead assisting the environment.

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Exploding_Chickens Exploding_Chickens

In response to “Um...what?

You must feed the animals to keep them alive, yes?

You are feeding them, but they use up energy by life processes, just like we do through eating, we use the energy we gain from eating to follow through with life processes. It is estimated that 90% of energy in the food chain between a predator/prey is lost due to life processes. By eating vegetables, you are going straight from the source so much less energy is lost, instead of having to keep alive a creature that uses much more energy than a plant and most likely less efficient. Since there is less energy being lost through their life, there is more for other purposes. However, I did watch a video on how one farm recycled cow manure by using the methane gas they produced in order to power the farm. While that is efficient, the cows are creating a lot of methane gas, which means that they are "hurting the environment" as they are greenhouse gasses (or as environmentalists have been trying to convince everyone else). While having dairy products requires that you keep a cow alive, plants do not produce as much dangerous substances for their environment, in fact, they help keep us alive.

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Exploding_Chickens Exploding_Chickens

In response to “You must feed the animals to keep them alive...

True, but I only gave dairy and eggs as one example. True vegans wouldn't eat things like honey either as that is a product of animals, and you don't need much to keep bees alive.

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Cedz Cedz OP

In response to “You must feed the animals to keep them alive...

Someone tried to use this argumemt against me in a debate tournament. I flat-out told him I didn't understand it. I won the round.

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Anonymous

In response to “Someone tried to use this argumemt against me...

It's rather simple science, what isn't to understand about it?

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Exploding_Chickens Exploding_Chickens

Not all vegans are doing it just because they're animal activists, some of them are might be doing for the health benefits

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LovelyGreen LovelyGreen

In response to “Not all vegans are doing it just because...

But both eggs and dairy products are deemed super foods because how incredibly healthy they are in general?

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John_MacTavish John_MacTavish

In response to “Not all vegans are doing it just because...

Veganism is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Vegans have to take many supplements to make up the nutrients they miss out on because they don't eat animal products. It's also a very expensive lifestyle because non-dairy alternatives to milk are much more expensive, and because when they choose to become vegan they have to replace everything they own that came from an animal. (leather shoes, belts, furniture, etc...)

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Thomas

In response to “Veganism is a very unhealthy lifestyle...

That's not trueat all. Not all vegans have to take a shitload of supplements. Even without animals or animal byproducts in your diet, you can find the same vitamins/nutrients from other places. B-12, calcium, iron, vitamin D, are all found in other easily attainable foods. (Breakfast cereals for instance.) I'm a vegan and I'm broke as ****, the amount that I spend on groceries hasn't increased. The almond and rice milk I buy are NOT more expensive than regular milk. I really don't understand why you made half the claims you did.

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Cuban_B

In response to “Veganism is a very unhealthy lifestyle...

Also, becoming a vegan for the health benefits doesn't mean that you have to replace furniture.

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BetterThanEzra1119 BetterThanEzra1119

In response to “Also, becoming a vegan for the health...

Strict vegans do not own products made from animals. This includes furniture. There are no health benefits to being a vegan.

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Thomas

In response to “Strict vegans do not own products made from...

Yes, that's STRICT vegans. If you change your diet to a vegan one solely for the health benefits, then replacing your furniture is not necessary.

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BetterThanEzra1119 BetterThanEzra1119

In response to “Yes, that's STRICT vegans. If you change your...

If you're not a strict vegan then you're just a vegetarian who wants to seem cool. And there are no health benefits to being a vegan.

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Thomas

In response to “If you're not a strict vegan then you're just...

Sorry but I thought going on a vegan diet meant not eating any animal biproducts and a vegetarian is someone who eats all animal biproducts except for meat?

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BetterThanEzra1119 BetterThanEzra1119

In response to “Sorry but I thought going on a vegan diet...

nope you're wrong
veg·e·tar·i·an/ˌvejiˈte(ə)rēən/
Noun:
A person who does not eat meat, and sometimes other animal products, esp. for moral, religious, or health reasons.
(https://www.google.com/#hl=en&#...b538c23bb4e18)

veg·an/ˈvēgən/
Noun:
A person who does not eat or use animal products.
(https://www.google.com/#hl=en&#...b538c23bb4e18)

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Thomas

In response to “nope you're...

1. Under the definition of vegetarian, it says SOMETIMES does not eat other animal products. This means that one can exclude only meats from tgeir diet, and be considered a vegetarian.
2. Your source is google. This is not a quality source.

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BetterThanEzra1119 BetterThanEzra1119

In response to “1. Under the definition of vegetarian, it...

!. I never stated otherwise.
2. Google pulls from many different sources and is very reliable. However, because you are convinced otherwise, here it is from 2 very respected sources.
Definition of VEGAN
: a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal food or dairy products; also : one who abstains from using animal products (as leather)
(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vegan)

veg·e·tar·i·an
   [vej-i-tair-ee-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who does not eat or does not believe in eating meat, fish, fowl, or, in some cases, any food derived from animals, as eggs or cheese, but subsists on vegetables, fruits, nuts, grain, etc.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vegetarian)

This means that vegans don't use animal products at all, while vegetarians may choose to only omit meat or to omit dairy products as well.

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Thomas

In response to “!. I never stated otherwise. 2. Google pulls...

I'm a vegetarian, but I don't buy any leather products and try not to buy products tested on animals and don't eat anything made with gelatin. I eat eggs and milk but only buy them from free range sources.
Someone who is vegan may only be doing it for dietary reasons, and while they are often called "strict vegetarians" vegan can still be used to refer to them if they don't eat any animal products.

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SpearmintMilk SpearmintMilk

In response to “I'm a vegetarian, but I don't buy any leather...

"Someone who is vegan may only be doing it for dietary reasons, and while they are often called "strict vegetarians" vegan can still be used to refer to them if they don't eat any animal products."
No it can not. Or at least, it cant be done correctly. There are vegans and there are vegetarians. Two separate lifestyles.

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Thomas

In response to “I'm a vegetarian, but I don't buy any leather...

Thank you for clearing that up.

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BetterThanEzra1119 BetterThanEzra1119

In response to “Strict vegans do not own products made from...

I think cutting back on fat is considered a health benefit.

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Frage Frage

In response to “I think cutting back on fat is considered a...

You can cut back on fat without cutting out meat and dairy products. When one does cut out meat and dairy products, it becomes harder to attain necessary nutrients, such as B12, Omega 3, Iron, Zinc, and Calcium.
Cut B12 out of your diet for a while, and then talk to me about health benefits.

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Thomas

In response to “You can cut back on fat without cutting out...

You don't need to, but it's a good way to. It's not hard to find the nutrients when a lot of meat and dairy replacement products contain them. Veganism can also benefit your health by cutting off cholesteral. I think veganism can be benefical to your health if you do it right.

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Frage Frage

Not only are the hens in big egg-producing industries abused, male chicks are killed because they can't produce eggs. I'm not a vegan, but I can definitely understand why veganism would be important for animal activists.

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foryoublue

In response to “Not only are the hens in big egg-producing...

[citation needed]

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Thomas

Maybe they do it because they don't like the taste. I don't like most dairy products, so I get soy products everywhere I go. If I didn't eat meat, I'd be considered a vegan.

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AnnDeeva AnnDeeva

In response to “Maybe they do it because they don't like the...

own anything made of leather? If so then you would not be considered a vegan.

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Thomas

In response to “own anything made of leather? If so then you...

I only own faux leather and faux fur things.

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AnnDeeva AnnDeeva

In response to “I only own faux leather and faux fur things.

well then congratulations on your ability to be vegan?

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Thomas

In response to “well then congratulations on your ability to...

I never said I was a vegan.

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AnnDeeva AnnDeeva

In response to “I never said I was a vegan.

I never said you were a vegan.

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Thomas

Unfortunately, yes, the animals are viciously and inhumanely abused even through dairy and egg products. I won't give you the super detailed story, but basically this:
Cows are milked by metal claws up to the point where the poor animal is literally crawling because it's breasts are so sore. They are also injected with abnormal medications which make the breasts unnaturally and uncomfortably bigger. They have a risk of infection, and it's extremely painful. You know the feeling, as a human female, when your breasts are growing and they hurt a bit? Picture that times 20, and then picture them getting squeezed tightly by metal. Ouch!
As for the eggs, chickens are also abused by being forced to lay more eggs than is natural. The eggs that contain males are literally thrown away, left to die.
And not to mention, these animals are beaten, whipped, burned, seared, and undernourished every day. That's reality for ya.

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kipkayify kipkayify

In response to “Unfortunately, yes, the animals are viciously...

[citation needed]

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Thomas

In response to “[citation needed]

Go on google. You can find everything kipkayify just mentioned on there.

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AnnDeeva AnnDeeva

In response to “Go on google. You can find everything...

And you'll find that those are mostly isolated incidents or normal practices thrown completely out of proportion.

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Thomas

In response to “Unfortunately, yes, the animals are viciously...

If you think about it, cows only make as much milk as their calfs would need, which isn't really enough for dairy farmers. Cows are milked so often and so harshly that their udders begin to get irritated. Because of this, milk contains just a little bit of blood and pus from the cow.

I don't think it's filtered out, but I might be wrong.

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Harlequinade Harlequinade

I used to think the same thing. The way animals are treated isn't exactly widely reported. Most animal farms treat the animal **** atrociously, even just for eggs and dairy.

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Cuban_B

Especially with milk. People don't seem to realize that if our cows aren't milked, it's painful for them.

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Emperorerror Emperorerror

In response to “//Especially// with milk. People don't seem...

The problem is that cows only produce milk when they have a calf. Dairy cows are forcibly impregnated to keep them producing milk, and then they're injected with shit that makes them produce an abnormal amount of milk which leads to painful health problems. Also, cows on regular farms can live 20+ years, whereas a dairy cow only lives around 5 years because their bodies are exhausted from the constant impregnation, and they are no longer "usable."

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Cuban_B

These comments were really depressing. And they actually changed my opinion, which is a rarity.

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Anonymous

One time while deer hunting I accidentally shot my deer's back legs off.

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Anonymous

Anyway, it's not that hard to make the choice to buy eggs that came from well treated chickens, honey that came from bees that were still fine after the removal, etc.

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