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You support the process of chemical castration (an injection that decreases libido by lowering testosterone levels) for rapists and pedophiles, amirite?

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If I had a mental condition that made me sexually attracted to kids or if I could only get off by raping someone, I think I'd take that willingly.

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Truuninja Truuninja

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In response to “(lolwut)

oh i see
that would make sense to do

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ilikefurrywolves4815 ilikefurrywolves4815

What definition of pedophile are you using?

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Ram27 Ram27

In response to “What definition of pedophile are you using?

Yeah.
Pedophiles are fine, they just like children. Nothing wrong with that.
But when they start molesting children, then it gets bad.
Chemical castration for pedophiles is not good. It should only be used for criminals

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meerkat

In response to “What definition of pedophile are you using?

@meerkat
Yeah, that's an important factor as well.
I meant did the post count guys who think seventeen year olds are attractive but they're under 18 so that's apparently pedophilia.

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Ram27 Ram27

If I had a mental condition that made me sexually attracted to kids or if I could only get off by raping someone, I think I'd take that willingly.

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Truuninja Truuninja

In some cases, I'd support just good ol' regular castration.

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Norma Norma

In response to “In some cases, I'd support just good ol'...

It's like you're trying to make someones opinion.

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Stage3_Unicorn Stage3_Unicorn

For rapists.

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Courage_Wolf Courage_Wolf

Pedophiles can't control how they feel. Maybe if they molest a kid, I would agree, but you just said pedophiles.

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Harper Harper

In response to “Pedophiles can't control how they feel. Maybe...

Right, they can't control how they feel, without this injection.

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anonymous

Since I'd rather not go into how inhumane and rather totalitarian it is to forcibly deprive someone of something as natural as ****, I'll raise my other issue with this post.
Most serial rapists and pedophiles don't do it because they're really **, but in order to feel powerful. They may lose their desire for itself, but there's not really a chemical injection that takes away serious mental illness, so the guy could just pop a Viagra and do the same thing, because I don't think it's ever purely about ** in the first place.

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ctiscooler ctiscooler

I'm up for some good old hand chopping off.

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Ryan6793

I know how cruel this sounds, but I'm okay with torture for rapists, pedophiles, and murderers. They deserve it.

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kipkayify kipkayify

In response to “I know how cruel this sounds, but I'm okay...

Murderers deserve death row. Not torture.

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mchalla3 mchalla3

In response to “I know how cruel this sounds, but I'm okay...

Maybe they do, but that's not justice, that's revenge.

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BurntToastCastle BurntToastCastle

In response to “I know how cruel this sounds, but I'm okay...

People don't wake up one morning and decide "I'm going to rape a child today", it's a mental condition, like dyslexia or downs syndrome. Would you torture someone for being sexually attracted to members of the same **** if you believed it to be the wrong choice?
Yes, paedophilia is bad, but they can't help it. You can't torture it out of them, it's not part of their rebellion against society. You can't just sit them down and educate them on why they're not supposed to be sexually attracted to children.

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Number3 Number3

In response to “I know how cruel this sounds, but I'm okay...

Trust me, I know it's not justice. But the fact that you raped someone is so ** up it's unforgivable in my book. Normally I'm a firm believer in mercy, but after seeing the reality of the child slave industry... no. I just... I can never see those people as human. Ever. You must be pure ** evil to do that to another human being.
You can't compare paedophila to gay people.

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kipkayify kipkayify

In response to “Trust me, I know it's not justice. But the...

Which is why rapists are sick minded. They're not evil, they don't need torture. Torture will not cure their mental illness. Help and counseling will.

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mchalla3 mchalla3

In response to “I know how cruel this sounds, but I'm okay...

And as for paedophiles, I was wrong, I can't compare them to rapists, exactly. You are 100% right.

I understand that they are attracted to children as a gay person would be attracted to a member of the same ****. Thank you for pointing that out.

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kipkayify kipkayify

In response to “I know how cruel this sounds, but I'm okay...

Yeah, I didn't mention rapists because I agree with you that rape is a **** unforgivable thing to do.

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Number3 Number3

I feel like it would only work for pedophiles that act purely on sexual desires and pleasure. Their behaviour is inexcusable and this is the least that we can do.

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coolstory coolstory

No because high libido is not the cause of rape or pedophilia, and testosterone is responsible for a lot more things in the body than just ** drive. I would support a punishment like this if and only if the person was a repeat offender AND they managed to interfere only with the pathway in the brain that is responsible for ** drive.

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wobbuffet wobbuffet

In response to “No because high libido is not the cause of...

Yea, testosterone affects basically every aspect of a male's body. Testosterone protects the heart and arteries and reduces the risk of heart disease and high cholesterol. It also prevents joint pain, muscle pain, and obesity. Testosterone increases the ability to withstand stress and reduces anxiety, depression, and excessive emotional outbursts. So, I agree with you.

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ling_ling ling_ling

What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

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rewindthissong rewindthissong

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

Please don't call this 'medicine'; there is nothing medicinal about changing the way a person's body works to benefit everyone else. Also, as someone has already said, testosterone (and androgens in general) do more than just make you ****. You would potentially be subjecting that man to a lifetime of health implications. Even criminals deserve to be treated humanely and with dignity, otherwise what makes us any different than them?

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dzmax

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

It is a drug, not a medicine. Medicines are therapeutic in purpose. All medicines are drugs, but not all drugs are medicines. What you are proposing is maiming; who is any one person to oversee the function of another's body and impose changes for their own benefit? All this amirite does is raise ethical questions of ownership of one's body, which is another ethical debate all on its own. There are a lot of things I don't agree with where the world is concerned, but the fact of the matter is that we all have to live to the same laws, and jail is the price some pay for going against that. There is nothing humane about injecting someone with a drug against their will and then expecting them to feel fine about being out in the world. If they willingly asked for it, even after being told the risks and possible consequences, then that's different. But to force it upon someone is a violation of their human rights (which, despite doing what they did, they still have). If we started doing this to pedophiles who have acted on compulsion, would we have to start doing something similar with zoophiles or people who knowingly infect others with HIV?

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dzmax

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

Sure, I'll go with your interpretation of that logic - I don't think that anyone should ever be able to force drugs onto another person; to do so would surely be equivalent to battery or rape. But, as I said, body ownership isn't something I'm prepared to go into. In an ideal world, a person would be in control of their own body, and in many circumstances, they are. However, we don't live in my idea of an ideal world, and law enforcement agencies' abilities to use 'crowd control' is something I'm not particularly fond of.

It's easy to say that all child molesters are wrong and that they should be castrated for their sins and subjected to a life of androgen antagonist side-effects (to say there are none is naive) when you're hidden in the safety of your own home, but it's not nearly as simple as that. Committing a crime doesn't automatically mean a person should be treated like shit. I wouldn't advocate killing a murderer or treating him unkindly because that's just low, weak, and pathetic - and what justification does anyone else have to kill a killer anyway?

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dzmax

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

"If they aren't proved innocent they'll still have to suffer the consequences of the guilty..."

Um... that's kinda backwards... You proves someone GUILTY before you punish them.

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saturnlite88 saturnlite88

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

You wouldn't be targeting the urge. Rapists don't all rape because they're ****, so androgen antagonists would only make it harder for those rapists to rape. And you can't suddenly argue your point on the back of mine and pretend it was what you meant all along. You were advocating forced androgen antagonists on these people.

"The point of this is that rapists/molesters continue to commit their crime after they are released, so jail time really has no effect, except lessening the number of their victims"

Where's your proof?

"We wouldn't be physically causing them any pain and we wouldn't alter their lifestyle any more than jail time would"

No, 'we' wouldn't if these people willingly volunteered for these drugs. But that's not the point you were trying to make.

"The real argument is whether or not the gov't should have power to do this"

Government already has the power to do this in some places.

"We would only be reducing their libido"

And their quality of life.

"they probably wouldn't enjoy consensual **** that much anyway"

Proof?

"if we treat them nicely, they will most likely repeat their offences"

Proof!

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dzmax

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

Right, so you expect me to accept a news article (of all things) about one person in a completely different country as supporting evidence? Well that's cultural validity and all generalisability out of the window for a start.

Quality of life doesn't start and end with ****. Side-effects of cyproterone, one of the drugs commonly used for chemical castration (copied from the BNF):

fatigue and lassitude, breathlessness, weight changes, reduced sebum production (may clear acne), changes in hair pattern, gynaecomastia (rarely leading to galactorrhoea and benign breast nodules); rarely hypersensitivity reactions, rash and osteoporosis; inhibition of spermatogenesis; hepatotoxicity reported (including jaundice, hepatitis and hepatic failure (fatalities reported at dosages of 100 mg and above, usually in men treated for advanced prostate cancer)

I'd say that's a pretty drastic change in quality of life, potentially - you can't predict who will develop side-effects to a drug or when. And this is all just if it is taken orally. The alternate route of administration is intramuscular injection, and that comes with a whole load of complications of its own on top of these.

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dzmax

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

Prison involves a change in lifestyle, not an inherent change in quality of life. Prisons have also been criticised for apparently providing better facilities than people on state benefits, I believe. You are making many claims with little evidence, and changing your entire stance as you go along. First, you were all for forcing injections on everyone, and now you are saying that people should have a choice.

"They committed a crime fully knowing of their consequences, therefore sympathy is not needed. Especially since this is a drug that does not have everlasting effects like the death penalty."

"Maybe it'd be more humane to offer them a choice: jail time or injection."

Those two things alone make it pretty clear that you were quite happy with the idea of forcing this onto others at some point, when taken in context.

If you don't care about people's quality of life, you really aren't in a position to be making decisions like this - and I'm glad you're not. You clearly lack the impartiality that making such decisions requires.

The news article that I am not accepting as proof doesn't even support the subjective statements I asked you to prove. I would prefer a journal article.

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dzmax

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

I won't Google it myself because I'm not the one who needs to be able to support the points they are trying to make. That news article hasn't shown that they have looked at any data at all, and it definitely wouldn't be enough to make a government consider this as a nation-wide policy.

"Unfortunately these law makers aren't too emotional because they aren't forgiving or sympathetic enough for you."

You just don't stop with presenting opinions as facts, do you? Are you one of these law-makers? Do you know how they feel when they do their job?

You might think that the side-effects are pretty insignificant. I don't know what you know about them, but osteoporosis isn't a minor bother. People can fracture bones by falling off chairs or just sneezing. And the liver complications aren't something to laugh about. This wonder-drug you're proposing would cost millions in healthcare.

And why do so many people on here think I are arguing or debating with them? I'm not doing either; I am simply pointing out the flaws in your comments and telling you where you are wrong. I daren't try to change anyone's opinion of anything they strongly believe in because to try and do so would be futile.

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dzmax

In response to “What about those who were wrongfully convicted?

No, it was definitely your inaccuracy I was commenting on. You called the drug a medicine, said it had no side-effects, and said that it wasn't fatal when it has the potential to be. You have also tried to portray a number of your own opinions as facts and you've tried to support them with a news article that lacks scientific basis. Good supporting evidence doesn't come from news websites; it comes from quantitative and qualitative research. This is what countries base decisions such as the one you are proposing on, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find something if you truly cared - but the fact that all you can muster is that news article leaves me thinking that you couldn't find anything or you didn't try - or you just came across the news article and thought it would make for a good ol' controversial amirite. Which is fine, but at least admit that proper research using Google Scholar or PUBMED or something like that is beyond your abilities.

If you can really say so readily that you hope for thousands - if not millions - of people to die for the benefit of one person, you are truly a horrid person and my words fail me; I can't tell you just how disgusting you are. Truly...

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dzmax

The Constitution protects all citizens from cruel and unusual punishment, which this definitely would be, especially due to the lack of definitive results of such cases. Stop being sadists.

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Anonymous

In response to “The Constitution protects all citizens from...

.. This is in South Korea.

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Nova Nova

In response to “The Constitution protects all citizens from...

Your constitution is not in charge of the world!

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anonymous

If this punishment is a required punishment at point of conviction, I think it is taking away some fundamental right from people that, in certain circumstances, can't help what they feel. If the Injection is an option between the injection every few months or X amount of years in jail and the person has a choice then it seems valid

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John_MacTavish John_MacTavish

At first I said no, but after I read the article I felt better about it. It said that the prisoner can refuse.
So if he doesn't want the injection he doesn't have to get it.
It's an alternative for jail. Much better then what I was thinking.

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sighcantthinkofaname

I'd say no, because as the people above said, testosterone doesn't affect just the ** drive (get ready to hear any male with chemically lowered testosterone whine about how much his nipples hurt) plus ** drive isn't the main cause for rape. I can't find the pages, but there are six main different causes for rape, and they range from power trips to actual lust to sadism to just opportunity.

Plus, what about female rapists? What about people who use things other than their willy to rape? What about people taking medications whom already have a lowered **** drive and rape anyway?

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Simon

I think for paedophiles that haven't actually hurt anyone, this could be a helpful solution for them. The problem is, people hear "paedophile" and think "child molester", so I'd imagine they have some serious trouble coming forward to ask for help.

But for rapists, it's surprising how little sexual libido comes into play. It's often considered a mostly dominance/violence thing. In this sense, it's hard to see how something like this would help. Then again, I can't see any way a lower libido actually causes anybody any HARM (provided the chemical used has no side effects), so maybe it's worth trying anyway. What could be done about female rapists though? (Yes, I know females have testosterone too).

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Chou

No they would probably miss thier libido and decide to do something drastic about it ... anyway I don't think libido has anything to do with it, unfortunately.

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8DUrkaron 8DUrkaron

Because most rape isn't rape it's just a girl getting drunk off her ** asking to have ** with a guy and not remembering that she asked him or she just wants to get him into true any way if you rape you have something wrong in you're head so they can get it sorted out Knut if you castrate him it will make him worse yes

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MRPYRO MRPYRO

It's drunk off her ****, or just wants to get him into trouble and its if u castrate him he will be worse

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MRPYRO MRPYRO

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