+116 You can't claim to be against racism if you don't support homosexuals. People don't choose their skin color or where they're born, nor do they choose if they are attracted to the opposite or same sex, amirite?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

"Walk a mile in another man's shoes before you pass judgment." Society is ignorant and could care less of how this may affect another unless it directly affects themselves. This is a generalization over several issues including this one.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

*couldn't care less

by Anonymous 11 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I love you anonymous.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Don't love me, love David Mitchell that legend.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Those two things really don't go hand in hand. We may not be able to choose our skin color or sexuality, but we can choose our own morals and beliefs.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Just you admitting that makes everything else not matter though.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

When you realize someone has NO CONTROL over that aspect of their being, how can you possibly think it is okay to judge them, hate them, or think of them as less of a person?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I didn't say it was right to judge/ hate them. I'm neither racist nor against homosexuality. I just don't see how you can sit there and basically tell someone that if they're against racism, that they should support gay rights. I agree with the last part of your post, but " You can't claim to be against racism if you don't support homosexuals" is extremely fallacious in my opinion.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I do realize it sounds far fetched, but that is why I explained afterwards.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I can tell this might be one of those posts that people look at, and say to themselves "that sounds good! YYA" without actually thinking about what it says.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's oversimplified but that really is the core of hatred with those two groups. They're both hating people over something they have absolutely no control over. I would say racism is similar to sexism, too. If you hate and discriminate over something a person can't control, you're as good as a racist. One discriminates against skin color and one discriminates against sexual orientation, but in the end the only thing you're discriminating against is their genetic makeup.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

So if I don't dont believe homosexuality is right, I should be racist as well? I dont understand...

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's not that you //should// be racist, but at least you'd be justified (kinda) in being racist. If you believe it is okay to hate others for something they can't control, then what does it matter what that thing is? If you hate people for their genetic makeup, does it really matter what that genetic makeup entails? It just comes down to what degree of difference do you hate in people. If someone's homophobic I wouldn't //expect// them to be racist, but at least they wouldn't be contradicting themselves if they were.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

So in other words, it's ok to hate people if you hate them all equally? I see what you're saying, but no matter how many times you try to explain it's going to sound like bullshit to me.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's kind of different when it's deciding who to hate rather than who not to hate. If I support interracial marriage because love is love and love is blind, then why would I not support gay marriage?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

But that's //you// . Like I said in my first comment, people can choose their own morals and beliefs.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yes, but they can also be contradictory morals and beliefs. It's not that you //have// to support gay rights if you support civil rights, but it's the most logical thing to do. They're really not all that different.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Anon - no, I think it's more that if you're homophobic you can't get mad at racist people or say racism is really wrong, since it follows the same logic as your anti-homosexuality

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Exactly! I shouldnt have to hate one group of people because I hate another. It can be contradictory. Logical? Maybe, but it's shitty logic, hence me calling it fallacious.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yeah, I don't choose who I kill either. I was just born with this insatiable blood lust. I then should be supported in this, amirite? It's not like I shouldn't be expected to change who I am because some people don't like it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Serial killers harm people because of their DNA. Homosexuals and foreigners don't.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You see saturnlite, you did choose to kill. You are not a killer until after you kill. You can have as much of a desire to kill someone as you want, but you are not a killer until you make the conscious choice to kill someone. Being a certain race or being gay, on the other hand, are something that require no action. You're black without doing anything black (though that is not possible) and you are gay before you do anything gay (like have sex with someone of the same gender).

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Oh, so there are MORE things to consider than just whether it's congenital or not! Gee whiz, who'd a thunk it??

by Anonymous 11 years ago

@pikabeau I just want to point out that most people with gay DNA who don't act on it aren't hated any more than people with murderous DNA who don't act on it. Being black, on the other hand, is something you can physically see, while murder and homosexuality both require an action to be acknowledged.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

@saturnlite88 The post was simplifying it. He could have written a 200-page essay about the topic. The point is the reasons against hating gays or blacks are the same, so using them against one group and not another is ridiculous.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

For "gayness" to be acknowledged, you do have to act on it in some way, I will admit that. My point was that you are gay before you act on it, but you are not a killer until you act on it. There are people who are hated on simply for being perceived as gay, so I wouldn't go so far as to say people who don't act on being gay are any less hated. It's all about perspective. Kind of like someone who is racist against Mexicans might be racist against someone who is not Mexican simply because they perceive them to be of Spanish decent.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I would like to say that gay DNA is utter bullshit. It is nearly biologically impossible

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You also don't chose what your emotional reaction is to other people.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yes, but you can choose the actions you take afterwards.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

And you can also choose to take no action.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You can still be racist or homophobic without acting on it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Anyone else like me just not give a fuck about gay rights? When I say this I don't mean that you are against them, simply that you wish the American public would grow up and pass whatever laws needed so that when I turn on the T.V I don't have to hear about the life of some gay guy and his lover.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

This seems really ignorant. Go tell the republicans to grow up and pass the laws needed.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yes, I do realize this. I was just rather annoyed at that comment.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

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by Anonymous 11 years ago

People have different reasons for being against homosexuality than they do for being against ethnic minorities.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Reasons? There is only one reason, which is religion.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

So athiests cant think homosexuality is gross now? Stop gereralizing. Not all religious people beleive being gay is wrong and not all non religious people think its ok.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

There are people who hate blacks or Hispanics and that has nothing to do with religion. The same can (and does) apply for homosexuals.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I get what your point is, but this post still makes no sense. You can be a homophobe who is also against racism because sexuality and race are two totally different things. Just because they both happen to be things people have no control over doesn't mean that people can't be prejudiced in one respect and not the other.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You can be homophobic and not racist, but it makes no sense to be homophobic and //against// racism. You can't hate someone because of their DNA and then say it's wrong to hate people because of their DNA. There's no logical argument to justify disliking racism if you are homophobic.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

This is, of course, assuming gay people are gay because of their DNA.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Sir, even if it wasn't, at the end of the day they're still human beings. And we know that's genetic. That's all it comes down to.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Being gay can't be genetic or gay people would have died out before adoption and in vitro fertilization were even a thing. And we don't //know// if it is, that's still a debate in the scientific community.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

No, you're telling me no gay people ever had children? What about all those marriages where they have kids, and later split up for one of them is gay?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Gay people are not sterile. For thousands of years homosexuals were getting married and having children because the church would kill them if they didn't. Also, the gene may not have been active. You can pass down a genetic trait without having that trait yourself. What does adoption have to do with anything? You can't pass down genes to a child that was already born anyway. Also, orphans aren't some crazy new invention; they've been around for a while.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

By that same logic, red hair would have died out long ago. Things can be genetic without having to be present in every single generation. Learn a bit more about genes before making this statement next time.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Obviously not every single gay person ever is going to never have biological kids. But a lot of them aren't going to, and evolutionarily speaking, the gene would die out. Also, the comparison to red heads is invalid. If a red haird person has kids, their kids might not have red hair but the gene could be passed down. If a gay person never had biological children, his genes wouldn't be passed down. http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf http://www.opposingviews.com/ar...ay-gene-theory If you're going to tell me to learn a bit more, maybe you should too. Just about any information you find on a "gay gene" will tell you that there isn't one.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You're saying that the gay gene should have died out years ago because gay people in the future will not reproduce as much? Gay people have been reproducing for thousands of years, possibly in arranged marriage, or because they wanted money or power. Or maybe many of them did turn straight because they would be killed otherwise. Then there's this link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2...n_1590501.html Your second link doesn't work, and your first link is way too long for me to read, but it seems to be saying that gay people can change, not that the DNA doesn't exist. There is no gene in our DNA that gives us a 100% chance of being attracted to men or to women. So what? Last I checked, there is nothing in the Y chromosome which prevents or is necessary for a sex change. Gay people who want to be accepted can become straight, women who want to vote can become men, left-handed people who want to keep their hands can train their right hand, Jewish people who want to live can convert to Christianity, and black people who don't want to be slaves can probably do something to make their skin whiter. **OR** We can just accept people for what they are and treat people equally.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

People can be racist and not be homophobic. People can be homophobic and not be racist. I've seen people of both types. And someone can be against racism and not support homosexuals. That doesn't mean that they're against homosexuals, but that they simply don't care, which is fine considering there are so many other equally important issues to focus on.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Even though not supporting gays is retarded, homophobia is not racism.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

When the fuck did homosexual become a race?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Where does the post say it did?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Did you even read the first sentence? It implies that it is a race, or that races are sexual orientation. Being black or asian or white has nothing to do with being straight or gay.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's saying that homophobia and racism are both discrimination, and it makes no sense to say that one is acceptable and one is not. It never said that homosexuality was a race.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Actually, it kind of did. Maybe stop being a douche and look a little closer? OP equated being against homosexuality to racism. It's a common misdirection tactic in flawed logic. "You can't claim to be against racism if you don't support homosexuals." >can't be against racism if you don't support homosexuals. >implying not supporting homosexuality is a racist train of thought. >implying homophobia = form of racism I like the logic this person used ^

by Anonymous 11 years ago

So I didn't automatically agree with whatever you say, therefore I'm a douche? Nice logic you got there. Fine. Let's assume that the specific choice of the first few words the post uses does accidentally imply that homosexuality is a race. So what? You know fully well what the OP meant.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I am a person of techincalities. And don't take things so personal, like I said I liked -their- logic, meaning I didn't write that shit.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

There are three things I hate in this world, homophobia, racism, and the black faggot that lives down the street.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I suggest you search the definition of "racism".

by Anonymous 11 years ago

the OP is just saying that you can't be against racism and be homophobic for the same reasons. not saying the homophobia is racism, just that the two ideas come from the same idea of having no control of the way you are. OP's point is that if you're anti-racist, by the same reasoning you should be anti-homophobic or else you're contradicting your own beliefs.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's not that simple. The thing is, the majority of people against homosexual rights consider it a choice. Therefore, it's not on par with racism to them.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

But it in reality, it is.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

But that doesn't matter. What matters is what people //believe// it is.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

it's still the same. It's based on ignorence. If someone actually believes homosexuallity is a choice they are just as stupid as someone who thinks that racism is okay.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

But this argument is assuming all people are completely non-ignorant, which is a ridiculous assertion.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

yeah, when people hate on homosexuality, it's not on having a gay orientation, but acting on it. Which is something you have more control over than being a certaim race

by Anonymous 11 years ago

1. Many people are put down because they're suspected of being gay, even though they have yet to participate in homosexual acts. 2. Saying one type of person can act on their feelings whereas another type of person can't, when neither group is doing any harm, is discrimination.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

YAYYYYYYYYY another POTD about the morality of being gay .... d

by Anonymous 11 years ago

So im sure this has been commented above but i didnt read all of it but homosexuals arent a race. So someone could be against racism but still have reservations about homosexuality. Perhaps a fairly good moraled christian? Anyways to be a race im pretty sure you have to be able to reproduce. But i still think racism and bigotry arent good. (Sorry if im repeating, im too tired to read those conversations)

by Anonymous 11 years ago

1. Did you just say that homophobia is for people with fairly good morals? 2. Yes, this has been said. Many, many times. 3. Copy and paste the part of the post that says homosexuals are a race.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well it says you cant be against racism and not support homosexual rights. But you can. Homosexuals are not a race, so I could stand against racism and still be against homosexuality. Also I didn't say that being homophobic was good morals. I said maybe a fairly (not fully) good moral-ed christian could be against racism and against gay rights. Its his belief and from what i understand Christianity doesn't exactly sanction homosexuality as okay. Being against gay rights doesnt make you a bad moraled person. Just means you follow youre beliefs. Im sure a homophobic still holds doors open for others and contributes positively to society.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

1. Of course you can, but it's illogical. 2. The argument isn't predicated on homosexuality being a race. It just says that a person can't control either one. 3. I wouldn't call a Christian who follows every rule written in the Bible "fairly good moral-ed." 4. Being against black rights doesn't make you a bad moraled person. Just means you follow your beliefs. Im sure a racist still holds doors open for others and contributes positively to society.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well I was pointing out that you could in fact be against racism and gay rights. Its not illogical at all. Maybe for you but for someone else the ideal that all men are equal is right but homosexuality is a sin is their belief. And if you agree being a racist or homophobic doesnt make you a bad moraled person then why the hell are you arguing with me on that point. And thats youre idea, Im sure christians think youre a horribly poor moraled person for not following the bible. BUT ITS THEIR BELIEFS. Just in the same way that someone can be pro choice and think that murder is bad. Doesnt make sense to some people, but makes sense to them.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yes, it is illogical. The reason racism is wrong is that they didn't choose to be different, and like you said, all people are equal. The reason homophobia is wrong is exactly the same. Of course it makes you a bad-moraled person. I was being sarcastic. A good-moraled person would follow the golden rule: Do unto others what you would have them do unto you. Society has amended this rule to say that we may do unto others what they have already done to us. A gay person is not capable of doing anything worse than a straight person just because they are attracted to the same sex. I am following the Bible. I am following the Christian faith. Ever wonder where the word "CHRISTian" comes from? I'll give you a hint: it's named after the guy who said the most important rule in the Bible (the one written above), and who then sacrificed himself so we could have salvation. Homosexuality, period sex, masturbation, and getting raped should not be punished by death in our society like the Bible says because the guy who's going to be reading our criminal records after we die says no. It doesn't matter what makes sense to some people; it's about what actually makes sense.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Okay buddy, im going to try to settle with you hear. You cannot earse years of religious teaching. Sure, youre a new age christian, good for you. But for others out there they are still old school, they see homosexuality as vile and sinful. So yes, although gays havent done anything to them, they still go against their religious values. You cannot change the way people think so quickly. Ad for youre second part, who the hell is putting people to death for homosexuality, masturbation, and rape (you said getting raped but i guess you meant raping). And although in the christion faith christ died for all sins of man kind, never said "well that makes every sin okay:D" so people still see homosexuality as a sin along with fapping and raping.Also using sarcasm so heavily in an otherwise fairly logic using conversation makes you a total dick.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

1. *here *you're *school; *And *)? *Christian *Christ *._Also 2. Just because it's what people are used to doesn't mean it's right. 3. Raping != Getting raped. I have no idea how you made that connection. And yes, Leviticus does say that rape victims are either supposed to marry the men who raped them or die. You can't reach into a book of barbaric stupidity and say that one of the several rules is more important than the Golden Rule. 4. I didn't say that every sin is okay. That's why I'm saying that homophobia isn't okay; because it's a sin. The only thing worse is saying that the all-loving Jesus told you to commit that sin. 5. No, it makes me a normal human being. I assumed it was obvious, seeing as I wouldn't have been here if I thought racism or homophobia was acceptable. 6. You still haven't pointed out any logical fallacy I made. Homophobia and racism both have the same effect on morality. 7. We aren't going to stop making progress just because a few people can't keep up. That didn't stop racism from being abolished, or women from getting the vote. We can't wait to legalize same-sex marriage until everyone on Earth (or even the state) is okay with it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

1.I was on mobile give me a break. 2. It doesnt but thats what makes them homophobic 3. Didnt know getting raped should be punishable by death. Figured the rapist should get punished 4. I was pointing out that Jesus didnt say sinning was okay when he died for man's sins. So thats why people still dislike homosexuality (or at least on reason) 5: skipping this 6: I pointed out that although theyre both injust you can surely do one without the other. Racism doesnt apply to homosexuals because they are not a race. That was my original point and thats fairly true. SO the Post didnt quite make sense since it is possible to hate racism and homosexuals. 7: Yes of course but that doesnt mean you can change the way they think. The minds of people and politics are two different things.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

1. Sorry, I didn't notice. 2. Still, homophobia is wrong, and eventually it has to disappear. 3. I think the rapist gets killed if the woman is married because he's committing adultery. Also, the society back then was so sexist that it might have been better to marry a rapist than to stay single (but they still should have been given a choice), because nobody would marry you. This is why the rules of Leviticus (including the anti-gay rules) are not to be followed. They were written by ancient Jewish straight men, for ancient Jewish straight men. 4. Like I said above, I don't believe that homosexuality was a sin in the first place. 5. K 6. You can do one without the other, but it makes no sense to do one and criticize the other because they are almost the exact same. The post didn't literally mean you can't, just that it doesn't make sense. 7. True, but hopefully we can change the way they think eventually.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Is it just me or are almost all of the POTDs about homosexuals??

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's just you.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yeah, I actually just went and looked through the past POTD's. I didn't go back very far cause I'm rather lazy but I didn't see much.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

http://ctrlv.in/101608

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Keep in mind that most people against gay rights consider it a choice. so they don't see it with the same logic.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

If they think that it's a choice then I'm pretty sure they don't know how to think logically.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

She didn't say that they're being logical. She just pointed out the fact that a lot of people who don't support gay rights think that being gay is a choice. It's stupid, but it's true.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I like how people voted down that comment. It's just a fact that a lot of people believe that. I think the whole "it's a choice" thing is bullshit, but then again I'm not someone who opposes gays. Like ali_d said, it's a stupid viewpoint but I'm not gonna pretend that there aren't people who have it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

There is fundamentally no difference between prejudice towards a race and prejudice towards a sexuality. They are two aspects of a person's life that that person has no control over. I don't understand what problem the commenters above have with this.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I think the problem they have is either a disfuctional brain or nievity.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

This reminds me of an old story my sister once told me. She was having a debate in ethnics class about gay marriage, when suddenly a mixed guy went on against gay marriage. He said, "If they let them marry, people will want to start marrying dogs and other animals!" My sister looked at him and said, "Hey, that's kind of funny. You know they used that same argument against interracial marriage?"

by Anonymous 11 years ago

As a gay man I'm incredibly tired of seeing these post.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm getting rather sick of POTDs about homosexuality. d And I'm not even against it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm getting sick of your whiny "suicidal" bullshit, but I don't go on your posts an complain about it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

lolwut How is the idea of a peaceful facility for suicides even whiny? And have you //seen// my posts? I've made a total of around 3 suicidal ones, while homosexuality is included in like half the POTDs.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Half? Really? lolwut. If you're going to say something. At least don't pull it out of your ass. I mean if half of them are about homosexualliy then half of everything you post is about how "suicidal" you are. Thought people who were suicidal actually killed themselves at one point. You can say I'm wrong because I am just as wrong as you

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's certainly not half, but leaving the jokes behind there's been two regarding homosexuality in the last 6 POTDs (I checked). While there has been only one post about suicide in my latest 20 posts. So it's not the same. Besides my posts aren't even "about how 'suicidal' I am" anyway, the booth one was an idea, the one addressed to suicidals was a funny thing I noticed, and my third one was just a thought about suicide in general. Each of the POTDs just creates a discussion on the morality of homosexuality. It's the same thing with minor differences. And I still haven't killed myself because the date that I've set hasn't come yet. A thing like this is pretty important, the last thing you will ever do. I still need to finish some things and plan it properly. You're not wrong, you're just ignorant.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm gay and I really don't agree with this post because... A) You don't need to support gay rights in order to not be against gays. You can be indifferent to the issue without being against gay rights. B) It is possible to stay in the closet, it is not possible to change your skin colour (except if you bleach it I suppose). C) Racists and Anit-Gays are two different groups, no matter how wrong each group is. D) Agreeing to this post is like saying "If you like ice cream, you must like gorgonzola cheese, because they're both made from milk." That was an awful example; oh well. Don't get me wrong, I want the right to marry who I want and serve in the military, but racism is not the same as being against homosexuals.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Racism and anti-homosexuality aren't the same thing, but one is just as bad as the other, and they're both bad for the same reasons. I believe that is the point of the post.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Wow look a post that hasn't been posted millions of times with different wording! Up till this post, OP, I was against gay marriage, but this one post, amongst all the others, finally made me realize how wrong I was. Thank you Op, thank you.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

look, another stupid fuck complaining about posts about homophobia. Just using different words. Thbak you, Sergio. Until now I had no idea that people didn't like posts like these.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

What about homosexuals that are racist?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

GAY IS NOT A RACE.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm not saying that hating gays is okay, but someone can be against gays but not be racist. Those two things don't really go together all the time.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

This post conveniently ignores the fact that it IS possible to be racist but not mind homosexuals, or to be okay with homosexuals but be racist. Not to mention the fact that there are people of all races who are homophobic, despite having experienced racism, and there are homosexuals who are racist as well. People think what they want to, and believe what they want to. No matter whether or not you think it's wrong or stupid, that's what they think. You probably can't change that either. Besides which, the people who have these opinions don't give a fuck if the people they hate have a choice in who they are. They hate them for existing, they don't care why they do. They just want them away from them. Hatred toward particular groups depends upon how the person has been brought up, the kind of people they know and other influences in their life such as their culture and their beliefs. People view different kinds of prejudice as seperate, not linking them all together and so feel they can justify their hatred of gay people so long as they don't hate people for their skin colour, or vice versa. I'm not saying this is how things should be, or that I like it. Just that they are.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Not the same thing.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

OH MY GOD WHAT? ARE YOU TELLING ME RACISM AND HOMOPHOBIA ARE //DIFFERENT//?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Last time I checked, your race has nothing to do with sexual preference, so you can be against racism if you don't support homosexuals.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

What the hell? Were you saying that in the sense that if I'm canadian, I'm more prone to be gay? Yes, obviously they have nothing do with each other in that case. They DO have something in common though and that's the fact that both are out of your own control. You didn't choose to be that way. That's all I'm saying. And yes I'm aware it's physically possible to be for one and against the other. It's just not very logical.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's hypocritical if you ask me.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Religion, politics, and discrimination- the three easiest ways to start a battle of the most opinionated.

by Anonymous 11 years ago