Nobody can possibly know. Either scenario is possible.
by Anonymous10 years ago
I downvoted at first
but then
what Michael said makes sense too
still
I was hoping the verdict would come back guilty based on how much I knew about the case
but as it's been said
I can't possibly know for sure
-shrugs-
by Anonymous10 years ago
He shot in self defense
by Anonymous10 years ago
I like to think that there's a difference between being innocent and not guilty. George Zimmerman may not be guilty in the eyes of the law because of poor evidence and prosecution, but he definitely still killed someone. Simply based on that one fact, I don't consider him to be an innocent man.
by Anonymous10 years ago
who the hell is he?
by Anonymous10 years ago
Lucky for him Amirite isn't the jury of his peers...
by Anonymous10 years ago
None of us can really know if he killed in self-defense or not, but I don't believe his life was in danger. I could point out his lies from my couch, but in my mind I knew he was going to be found not guilty. But, he'll probably get his one day.
by Anonymous10 years ago
Yes, his lies which were backed up by witnesses and forensics.
by Anonymous10 years ago
Didn't the witnesses have at least slightly different views of what happened?
that's the thing about witnesses
what they report is subjective
and what they report sometimes changes because our memories aren't constant
he was let off because that's what the jurors on that case believed (based off of poor evidence and whatnot)
no?
so it's not that he really is innocent
maybe he is or maybe he isn't
it's that there wasn't sufficient evidence
correct me if I'm wrong
just because there wasn't good evidence
does not mean a person is innocent
there are plenty of people who have gotten away with something even if they really were guilty
by Anonymous10 years ago
At first I thought you were gonna use the witnessing having different views of what happened to support him being guilty. But then I read the rest and remembered you're into psychology. And you're right about all of that.
Just because someone isn't found guilty doesn't mean they were innocent. I think in courts they don't call it "innocent vs. guilty" but "guilty vs. not guilty." I personally think it's better to let someone walk away because you didn't have enough evidence to convict than it is to convict without sufficient evidence.
by Anonymous10 years ago
on the other side
there have been times where there was sufficient evidence that someone committed a crime
but in reality,
this someone was truly innocent
it's crummy
but there's only so much error that we can eliminate even with advancing technology, policies, etc.
I agree with letting someone go when there isn't sufficient evidence
it's fairer than keeping the person jailed
and yeah
I'm very into psych
I might even babble on and on about it
except that some find it boring
I'm majoring in it with a minor in business
I wanna become an industrial organizational psychologist
I haven't decided for sure what to specialize in
but right now
I'm interested in improving the workplace and workplace equality
by Anonymous10 years ago
You can babble about psychology to me c: I love that shit.
by Anonymous10 years ago
by Anonymous10 years ago
I could find holes in the story and from what the witnesses have said. But, like I said, we can't know for sure what happened. The only people who knows what went down is Trayvon and Zimmerman, and one is unable to tell his side of the story due to him being dead.
by Anonymous10 years ago
@rilara
You can look at the case many ways and no one will know what really happened but I don't think it's fair that African Americans busted out the black card on it.... If the kid was such a good kid he could've ran away or just turned around and say hey man I live around the block I'm not causing trouble... But he didn't he chose to fight Zimmerman when push comes to shove my life is more important than yours... Zimmerman isn't right for what he did but I think it's justified by the situation he was in
by Anonymous10 years ago
I don't know whether or not Trayvon was a good kid or not, but I do have to say that he was just a teenager. As a teenager, I can admit, we do really stupid things sometimes. That doesn't mean that we deserve to die.
I'm going to have to use my brother as an example. From about 16-19, he pretty much acted like an idiot. He sold drugs (and probably took them as well) lied to my mom, and got arrested a couple of times. He barely graduated high school. Based on that, it would be easy to write him off as a thug who deserved everything he got. But now, he's not doing any of that stuff anymore, is on his way to university soon, and admits that he pretty much acted crazy during that time.
My point is basically that even though Trayvon isn't blameless, and even though he probably made some regrettable decisions on the day of his death, that doesn't mean that he wasn't a good kid, and that his life would have had no direction. His death is still a loss, and I still believe that Zimmerman isn't innocent, especially since if Zimmerman chose not to follow him, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.
And I don't care what people say, racism is still out there for black people, and pretty much every minority. Those that say otherwise are either naive, or lucky enough to not have to witness/experience it firsthand. The reason why you might say that we pulled out the "black card" is because we saw a teenage boy who could have been one of our brothers, and could have been our sons, who was killed, and received no justice.
Also two things:
I feel like I'm rambling a bit, so I hope what I just wrote makes sense.
I noticed that you commented on the post, and not directly to my comment. Under the text of a comment, there is the option to reply to someone's comment. If you don't reply like that, most people won't actually know that you replied to them.
by Anonymous10 years ago
Ohhh I see I'm new to this lol... I'm glad to hear ur brother is now on a better path! And ur right he didn't deserve to die but we must understand it wasn't just a bullet from no where it was self defense and I believe treyvon was on top
And there was enough evidence to prove it... But ur right if he didn't follow him we wouldn't have this convo so Zimmerman isn't innocent and a young kid is dead! Very sad! And I believe in real life justice not justice in the court of law so Zimmerman might be free but life has a funny way of giving people what they deserve! Just look at OJ Simpson!
by Anonymous10 years ago
I think Adrienne brought up the point of "[busting] out the black card" because of the same circumstance situations, save races reversed, that have gone completely under the radar numerous times, such as the event where three black kids beat a white kid to death in the street for no apparent reason. Also, it was decided that he was on marijuana at the time of his death, which contributed to his paranoia, most likely resulting in the attack in the first place.
I'm not condemning Trayvon for his actions, as I think the death of anyone, disregarding serial killers, rapists, etc., is a tragedy, and I'm sure Zimmerman feels the same, and if he had the choice, knowing the outcome of the situation now, I'm sure he would have behaved much differently, but that doesn't mean his actions weren't justified by the scenario he was placed in.
by Anonymous10 years ago
But the problem with saying that so many similar situations go under the radar is that //most// news stories go under the radar.
For example, I'm sure you've heard about the Casey/Caylee Anthony case. That had a lot of news coverage. But if you google "mother kills daughter", or a another generic crime, you will find a large amount of stories like that, most of which went under the radar.
In the same way, there are so many racially charged crimes out there that fly under the radar that it's hard to determine why black people would randomly decide to make this case a popular one. Why not another case? In a similar way, why was there a fixation on Caylee Anthony's death, rather than the death of another little girl?
I think that it's less of "pulling the race card" and more about black people connecting to a case that many could relate to, and feel wasn't handled well.
Of course, some people, especially those who are supposed to be black leaders, did sensationalize the story, and made it more of a civil rights case than it was at the start. However, the way some people responded to the story also showed that maybe it //was// a racial issue.
I've noticed that a lot of people saw a 17 year old boy (who honestly looked like a wannabe thug to me) as this dangerous evil man, despite him having no criminal history, compared to an actual grown man like Zimmerman, who has a violent history, but was often seen as completely blameless in the situation, even though history would make him more likely than Trayvon to cause trouble.
The only reason why many people choose to believe this portrayal of the two (a portrayal that was actually not propagated by popular media in my experience) would signal to me that there was an underlying racial issue that needed to be addressed and fought against.
by Anonymous10 years ago
I know what you mean
I have seen racism first hand against minorities
and it's not pretty
people keep saying it's the 21st century and people have changed
it's true
people have changed since the past
but there are certain people that still act and think that way
there are segregated schools that exist TODAY
it's still a problem no matter how much people wanna claim it isn't
some people keep their bigotry to themselves
and some are very **bold** and verbal about it
the bright side is that those people are much fewer in number than they used to be
but when I do hear/see discrimination
it's hard to remember that times have changed
by Anonymous10 years ago
Also where I'm from it doesn't matter what color u are but if u look like ur in the wrong neighborhood even just walking around people will notice and will feel threatened its just life I'm middle eastern so don't think I'm a white person who doesn't know much about people racially classifying me cuz I do I get it but we need to be honest everyone does it I even get freaked out when a white homeless guy asks for change so it can happen to everyone
by Anonymous10 years ago
skin color does not determine guilt, and the publicity of this case is astonishing
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