Justified shooting?  Why or why not?
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Justified shooting? Why or why not?

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The cop should be automatically fired. He has control issues which makes him a liability with any police force. The perp had no weapons and the cops life wasn't in any danger. SMH

Oh and remove all rights from owning any firearms.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

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Officer's body cam video:
https://youtu.be/CsggrMcoT88

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Bozette Bozette OP

The cop should be automatically fired. He has control issues which makes him a liability with any police force. The perp had no weapons and the cops life wasn't in any danger. SMH

Oh and remove all rights from owning any firearms.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “The cop should be automatically fired. He has...

He was fired, for 'poor performance' (IIRC) two months after that, but he can now go back to policing if any department will hire him.

Then there was the "You're ****" etched on his gun that the judge withheld from the jury... I think that clearly shows his mindset and the jury should have been aware of that.

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Bozette Bozette OP

In response to “He was fired, for 'poor performance' (IIRC)...

I guess my theory on the paid off judge was correct.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “I guess my theory on the paid off judge was...

No, that's pretty much standard procedure.

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Bozette Bozette OP

In my opinion we do need a police force yes but my thought is cops are out of control putting on that uniform badge and gun doesn't make you god but they act like it does

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Metal_god14

What an **. If I were the parents, brother, or sister of either of those two "victims", that cop would be a dead man **.

Oh... Not justified.

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RichyTheNightshitter RichyTheNightshitter

In response to “What an ****. If I were the parents, brother...

Talk about a power trip with a badge. He needs a psychiatric evaluation, didn't anyone tell him he's not SWAT.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “Talk about a power trip with a badge. He...

I could execute an idiot like that and sleep like a baby.

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RichyTheNightshitter RichyTheNightshitter

In response to “I could execute an idiot like that and sleep...

Clearly someone paid off the judge to get him acquitted. It's clear the cop is a threat to the public.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

The cop needs to be on death row .... that was nothing but a brutal murder. (And I am pro-police with a former LAPD brother and a former chief of police grandfather.)

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JanHaskell JanHaskell

In response to “The cop needs to be on death row .... that...

Agree Jan. Like I said above, someone paid off the judge to get him acquitted. The video is proof that he threatened their lives and then shot the guy with no reproductions.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “Agree Jan. Like I said above, someone paid...

Paid off the judge, is that just speculation r is it a fact? I think police need to have dart guns to knock people out rather than kill them.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

In response to “Paid off the judge, is that just speculation...

It's speculation, it sure seems that way though.

Not a bad idea.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

Not justified - no way, no how.

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Linnster Linnster

Like so many other police shootings...apalling.
He should be in prison.

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Carla Carla

All I know...is if someone is pointing a gun at me and tells me..
I'm going to be killed if I lower my hands or put my hands toward the small of my back..

Guess where the last place my hands are ever going to go, while I'm at gunpoint?...

His hand did look like it was going for the small of his back..

Suspect...did what he was told not to do..

Cop...did what he said he was going to do..

Right or wrong, not following instructions can sometimes be fatal..

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “All I know...is if someone is pointing a gun...

The guy was obviously scared shitless. The whole bit about making him crawl was unecessary at that point. It was nothing more than an ego/authority trip by the cop.

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Bozette Bozette OP

One simple question: When they had the female in cuffs, and the victim is on the floor, hands laced behind his head and feet crossed, why didn't one officer approach and cuff the guy while the others covered him?

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Seonag Seonag

In response to “One simple question: When they had the female...

Damn good question.

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Bozette Bozette OP

In response to “One simple question: When they had the female...

I think because the room had not been cleared right behind them.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “I think because the room had not been cleared...

Too much for six cops to handle?

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Bozette Bozette OP

In response to “Too much for **six** cops to handle?

I'm just saying that was a possible reason to have them crawl toward them. I'm not saying they did everything right. And that cop should not have been in charge.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “I'm just saying that was a possible reason to...

I can see having him move forward some, yes, although I think he was plenty enough forward for them to cuff him and approach the door at that point. The cop giving orders was only befuddling the guy, though. He was ordered to "crawl" forward, with his feet crossed, and his hands up. Something few could manage. I really expected the shots to come when the guy went down on all fours.

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Bozette Bozette OP

In response to “One simple question: When they had the female...

I was thinking that as well. I mean, it's like the guy couldn't run away and if he had reached in his pocket, the cop would of shot him. So what was the point of making the guy crawl and beg for his life?

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “One simple question: When they had the female...

That they could've done that at the right point yet didn't was brought up in the linked article... they certainly had plenty of openings and fire power.

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PartyOfOne PartyOfOne

Fortunately, he does not represent, what I feel, are the majority of trained, professional police officers. This, to me, was an execution. I see no reason, given that there was at least one other officer present, that they could not have approached and cuffed him.
This cop was a "percenter".......and clearly, his SGT. (who WAS present at the incident), knew they had 'effed up, because he retired asap and left the country.

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Freeranger Freeranger

In response to “Fortunately, he does not represent, what I...

Agreed.

And there were at least two other officers present, I wasn't aware his Sarge was there, though.

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Bozette Bozette OP

I can understand the precautions, but he the cop was scared and way too quick on the trigger. If his sergeant was present, he should have taken over and relieved that cop before it went that far.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “I can understand the precautions, but he the...

The sergeant was the one barking the orders.

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PartyOfOne PartyOfOne

The lack of proper screening and training is killing people.

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Carla Carla

Despicable and unjustified. This man should not have been a cop. Not everyone is cut out for it.

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Logan Logan

No, I do not feel the shooting was justified. According to his lawyer, Brailsford shot Shaver because he was protecting himself, five other officers and the woman they'd already had taken into custody. That whole crawling on his knees with his legs crossed thing seemed totally unnecessary to me, at that point.

Shaver was clearly terrified and confused, and trying hard to comply with the directives being screamed at him. It didn't have to go down that way, and I find the video both chilling and disturbing.

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Piper2 Piper2

In response to “No, I do not feel the shooting was...

I find the video both chilling and disturbing.

I do, too, Piper.

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Bozette Bozette OP

Only when there is a lethal and eminent threat. Cops have tazer guns right?

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Sunny_the_skeptic Sunny_the_skeptic

In response to “Only when there is a lethal and eminent...

Yes I wonder why they never use those.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

In response to “Yes I wonder why they never use those.

Yeah, it's still in a gun form, short range and can zap people into being unable to pull any tricks.

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Sunny_the_skeptic Sunny_the_skeptic

In response to “Only when there is a lethal and eminent...

Generally cops have those, as well as beanbag guns and rubber bullets.

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PartyOfOne PartyOfOne

In response to “Generally cops have those, as well as beanbag...

I'm all for those non lethal ones, a couple of bruises are always better than a bullet wound. It looks like cops in the US are always on edge, afraid about their own lives perhaps? Prefer to risk the life of a suspect than their own.

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Sunny_the_skeptic Sunny_the_skeptic

In response to “I'm all for those non lethal ones, a couple...

I think you very much have the right impression ;)

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PartyOfOne PartyOfOne

This is extremely disturbing. Talk about being shot down like a dog, this is unbelievable.

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ozzyboy ozzyboy

In response to “This is extremely disturbing. Talk about...

What is not believable is a court viewed that whole scene and found the cop, not guilty.
This happens far too often.

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Carla Carla

In response to “What is not believable is a court viewed that...

Paid off judge .... it's disgusting.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “Paid off judge .... it's disgusting.

There must have been several paid of judges and juries this past couple of years.
This seems to be the norm. Cops seem to get one dead body. The first is free.

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Carla Carla

In response to “There must have been several paid of judges...

Yeah it sure seems that way. It's terrible.

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “What is not believable is a court viewed that...

I can't disagree with you on this one. Too bad there is not visible outrage over this one.

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ozzyboy ozzyboy

In response to “I can't disagree with you on this one. Too...

Im not certain it has gotten any airplay. Why not? I dont know.

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Carla Carla

I can't see why he shot the guy. But I also don't know what happened before. Did the guy have concealed weapons or was he known to jump cops?

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

In response to “I can't see why he shot the guy. But I also...

There is a link to an article at the top of the page.

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Bozette Bozette OP

A homicide!(angry)

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Masha Masha

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