Perfect! There is really no better time to show utter disrespect for the Bill of Rights and free speech than durring the singing of the National Anthem.

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Perfect! There is really no better time to show utter disrespect for the Bill of Rights and free speech than durring the singing of the National Anthem.

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Sounds good to me, stay in the locker room and be disrespectful.

Money talks...

NFL is losing a lot of money from the shenanigans started by Colin Kaepernick..

Who by the way blew his chance at playing again with the Seahawks because it seems he just wants to get back on a team to start more drama.
Not so much to play football..

Karma..

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Step by step....

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Carla Carla

In response to “Step by step....

I think it's interesting that the NBA, NHL, MLB, and NASCAR have all done this already and nobody said a peep. :)

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “I think it's interesting that the NBA, NHL...

Espn.com. says there are no policies. Check out the article...:)

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Carla Carla

In response to “I think it's interesting that the NBA, NHL...

WJ just picture the players then you will know why those sports don't complain.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

In response to “WJ just picture the players then you...

If you are insinuating it's because they are not black, take another look at the NBA. If that is not what you meant, please correct me.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “If you are insinuating it's because they are...

Will I don't know anything of nba I do know racing and hockey.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

In response to “Will I don't know anything of nba I do...

I understand. :)

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “If you are insinuating it's because they are...

I think NBA stands for Nimble Black Athletes, doesn't it?

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Flrdsgns Flrdsgns

I was very happy to see this happen. I've always felt that it is disrespectful to kneel during the national anthem and that if you didn't want to stand for it, then you should remain off the field until it was over.

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Linnster Linnster

In response to “I was very happy to see this happen. I've...

Agree to disagree

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “I was very happy to see this happen. I've...

linn - Those who are kneeling I will call it squatting are making big money to play NOT do that.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

I don't have teevvee
whatever the footballers do
don't matter to me

Trapping season wins everytime over footballer season

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

Those dummies who squat instead are not hurting the politicians they are hurting our tradition and honor of the flag.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

Good idea no stand for flag sit for the game.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

In response to “Good idea no stand for flag sit for the game.

Very unamerican to force people to stand .

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Very unamerican to force people to stand .

not force just say if they don't want to act like an american and stand for the flag they can give up their american job and sit out the game. See how many would risk skipping a paycheck. None I bet.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

In response to “not force just say if they don't want to act...

Act like an American. Like an American who protests peacefully. Like an American who get results and rights the wrongs of our society. Like these Americans?

The Boston Tea Party: Dec. 16, 1773.
The Quaker petition against slavery: April 16, 1688.
The Seneca Falls Convention: July 19, 1848.
The GM sit-down strikes: Dec. 30, 1936.
The Montgomery bus boycott: Dec. 5, 1955.
The March on Washington: Aug. 28, 1963.
Selma: March 9, 1965.
Like those Americans you mean?

or do you mean like the Americans that stood by and let the government round-up and slaughter the natives, let the lynching continue throughout the south, let the Nazis march across the world, like though fantastic Americans?

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Act like an American. Like an American who...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure none of those people were being paid during those protests.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure...

I don't know but I suspect not. That doesn't make less American. I was responding the the argument that the kneelers where not acting like Americans. If the argument was they are not acting like people who want to keep their jobs, I would have agreed. But I think they were acting very American.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “I don't know but I suspect not. That doesn't...

They are American people. They just don't seem to understand that companies that pay you for a job have rights to protect their business. I'm not arguing that it is un-American. No one is going to jail for disrespecting the flag, but no company has to keep you employed if you break their rules.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “Very unamerican to force people to stand .

They aren't being forced to stand. If they don't want to, all they have to do is stay off the field until the anthem is over.

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Linnster Linnster

In response to “They aren't being forced to stand. If they...

They have a right to kneel.

All the NFL will succeed in doing is inviting the ACLU to sue them for violating the players rights.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “They have a right to kneel. All the NFL...

They can kneel in the locker room. The same way that they have to observe other NFL rules, they will have to follow these. There is a time and a place for protesting and the field is not one of them. Just my personal opinion.

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Linnster Linnster

In response to “They can kneel in the locker room. The same...

That they do. Now that the rules require them to stand they have less legal footing to argue about it.

That still sucks and in unamerican (and cowardly) of the NFL.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “That they do. Now that the rules require...

They only have to stand if they want to be on the field. They can do anything they want in the locker room. No rights are being violated. This was a unanimous vote by the NFL owners.

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Linnster Linnster

In response to “They only have to stand if they want to be on...

Nearly. 49ers Abstained.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Nearly. 49ers Abstained.

My mistake.

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Linnster Linnster

In response to “Nearly. 49ers Abstained.

That was the only cowardly thing done so far. If the owner really felt he should support those players he should have voted.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “They have a right to kneel. All the NFL...

If my employee wants to keep his job, he has the right to do what I say.

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JerryHendrickson JerryHendrickson

In response to “If my employee wants to keep his job, he has...

Yep. That's how the NFL played this one. Too bad they didn't have the balls to support the rights of their employees. We'll see how people react and that will tell us a lot about America's 'new values'.

When the first amendment falls, how far behind can the second be?

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Yep. That's how the NFL played this one...

It's not new values to ask people not to disrespect the flag while you are paying them to do a job.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “Yep. That's how the NFL played this one...

When you're on company time, the First Amendment doesn't apply, either does the Second. While you're on the clock, you just do your job and present yourself as the boss sees fit. When you're off the clock, you can say what you choose and play with your guns to your heart's content.
An example: My wife has her own veterinary clinic at which I sometimes help out. Occasionally I see animals that should be better taken care of. I can't scold the pet owner on company time; whereas, on my time I can say something to a bad pet owner.

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JerryHendrickson JerryHendrickson

In response to “They have a right to kneel. All the NFL...

They could always kneel in the locker room!

- Problem Solved! -

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “They have a right to kneel. All the NFL...

The NFL doesn't even have to let them stay off the field. They are compromising to let them stay in the locker room.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

In response to “Very unamerican to force people to stand .

The players work for the owners; they're employees. You are paid to do what your employer tells you to do. That's as American as it gets. When you're on company time, do what the boss says. That's all there is to it.

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JerryHendrickson JerryHendrickson

In response to “The players work for the owners; they're...

I agree.

We'll see what happens - if anything.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

Sounds good to me, stay in the locker room and be disrespectful.

Money talks...

NFL is losing a lot of money from the shenanigans started by Colin Kaepernick..

Who by the way blew his chance at playing again with the Seahawks because it seems he just wants to get back on a team to start more drama.
Not so much to play football..

Karma..

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “Sounds good to me, stay in the locker room...

No evidence that NFL has lost revenue because of this.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “No evidence that NFL has lost revenue because...

Believe what you like.

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “Believe what you like.

Viewship down, revenue is up. Over $14B in the 2017 season.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Viewship down, revenue is up. Over $14B in...

They should be able to stick Kaepernick on a team with all that extra money..

When the NFL makes a move on something like that, it's not just for the hell of it..

If they weren't losing money, they wouldn't give a damn if everyone on both teams kneeled..

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “They should be able to stick Kaepernick on a...

Agreed. It is about money. Just think who much more they would have made if viewership wasn't down.

I attribute the lower viewership not to the protest, but to the protest over the protest. I stopped watching teams that did not support the players right to kneel.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Agreed. It is about money. Just think who...

To be honest it didn't stop me from watching at all.

I figured the people kneeling would get what's coming to them in due time.

We see it happening and we see the the main instigator of it, out of a job..

The NFL made that rule to win back fans, like it or not, because obviously more people are against the kneeling..

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “To be honest it didn't stop me from watching...

I don;t know if it is obvious, but clearly the owners think so. Or at least they (with the exception of two it seems) think this is the expedient course of action.

The 49ers abstained from the vote and the NYJs said they would not charge the players a fine (would pay it out of their own pockets).

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “I don;t know if it is obvious, but clearly...

I'm not sure what the fine is but it could be thousands of dollars per player and they could pay it without blinking an eye..

Just like they do now for fines they get while playing the game.

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “No evidence that NFL has lost revenue because...

Then maybe they did it because they thought it was disrespectful to the country to demonstrate during the anthem, while on the job, and it made the NFL appear cheap, tacky, petty and kind of dumb.

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “Sounds good to me, stay in the locker room...

DD thank you for those facts. I appreciate it always. (clap)

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

None of this would have happened if Trump hadn't stuck his nose into it.
We kneel when we pray, will we have to stop that as well?

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StarzAbove StarzAbove

In response to “None of this would have happened if Trump...

Are you equating kneeling to prayer with kneeling to protest?

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Linnster Linnster

In response to “Are you equating kneeling to prayer with...

I don't know about stars, but I am.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “I don't know about stars, but I am.

As is your right.

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Linnster Linnster

In response to “Are you equating kneeling to prayer with...

Yes. I would never kneel when the anthem is being played, but then I'm very patriotic. But it's every one's right to do what they think is best. Some people place their hand over their heart when the anthem is played, some don't that's their right. Some remove their hats, some don't, that's their right. Some of the fans remain seated, where is the outrage over that?

None of this would have happened had it been a white football player that had knelt. This was all blown out of proportion because of Trump. The player wasn't disrespecting the flag or the military, he was protesting the many African Americans that were killed unnecessarily. Maybe he chose the wrong platform, but that was his right.

Where was Trump's outrage when the skin heads dissed the flag. There was none.

Pence came to the Colts football game when he knew that someone would kneel so he could make a big show of leaving. It cost the taxpayers millions of dollars just to make a point and bring this to the attention of those who didn't even know what had happened.

When he was Governor of Indiana he never ever went to a football game. It's all hypocrisy on the part of Trump and his administration.

So to answer your question, if the players can't kneel over the anthem, will he ban kneeling for prayers in a church, next?

One by one he's taking away our God given rights as Americans. People need to wake up to that fact.

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StarzAbove StarzAbove

In response to “Yes. I would never kneel when the anthem is...

I don't think kneeling for the national anthem is a God given right unless you consider it a First Amendment issue. That being said, no one is saying you can't kneel. They are saying you can't kneel ON THE FIELD. If you want to kneel in the locker room, you are free to do so.

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Linnster Linnster

The devil's advocate.

Would McDonald's tolerate a counter person who spoke in a manner that pissed off its customers?

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PhilboydStudge PhilboydStudge

In response to “The devil's advocate. Would McDonald's...

Need more details.

So the short answer is no.

The long answer is,
If the employee was being polite and not intrusive, but the customer got pissed off anyways - they might still fire her - but they would be wrong.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Need more details. So the short answer is...

I guess having high demand skills, such as being a good NFL athlete, gets you some leeway.

I've read that the Bills, who were not thinking of kneeling during the anthem, talked about staying in the locker room to protest the rule itself.

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PhilboydStudge PhilboydStudge

The First Amendment is far more important than whether or not one stands during the National Anthem. It is far more important than whether or not kneeling is disrespectful. It is far more important than our personal feelings regarding this issue.

Is kneeling during the National Anthem worse than this?



Or this?

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Chris_PHAET_Demon Chris_PHAET_Demon

In response to “The First Amendment is far more important...

Teensy difference - The NFL wasn't paying those dum asses.

The players could still join those protests without fear of being stifled.

Cool, eh?

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “Teensy difference - The NFL wasn't paying...

Distinctions of that sort are often lost on progressives. (think)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

It was a business decision and no one's rights are violated by it.

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Bozette Bozette

Nice try Vic. It's not a Bill of Rights issue.

It's a company policy issue.

Take heart Vic. We saw how Starbucks turned on a dime to change their company policy - twice in the last month or so!

Who knows, maybe NFL fans will dislike no disrespect of the anthem, flag, police, the military and the country in general and the NFL will change back!

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “Nice try Vic. It's not a Bill of Rights...

Exactly.

And Vic knows that perfectly well; he's just trying to stir the pot, as usual.

The server at a McDonald's counter does not have the free-speech right to protest Donald Trump in front of customers while on the job, much as Vic would love to see it happen. (hehe)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Exactly. And Vic knows that perfectly well;...

Is that what you think? You think those taking a knee are protesting Trump? Was Kaepernick protesting Obama when he protested in the summer of 2016? Was he protesting Hillary who he thought was going to win the upcoming election?

I suppose when Rosa Parks took a seat in 1955 she was protesting Eisenhower (not the injustice of racial discrimination.)

I have an idea, why don't your take head out of my backside. Don't you have anything better to do then huff my farts to get your high?

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Is that what you think? You think those...

Rosa Parks was not on the job when she made her protest, as you perfectly well know.

And the McDonald's example was just that, an example, not a claim that Parks or Kaepernick were protesting a president, as you also perfectly well know.

And yeah, you do f*rt a lot, but I don't huff them, I just point out how nonsensical they are. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Rosa Parks was not on the job when she made...

Dutch oven! Breathe deeply.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Dutch oven! Breathe deeply.

Nah, I hold my nose when you're around. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Nah, I hold my nose when you're around. (biggrin)

What you tell your friends is your business. We both know about your fetish.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “You wish...

Don't worry I won't tell

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Don't worry I won't tell

It matters not what you tell.

Everyone knows you are a prevaricator. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “It matters not what you tell. Everyone knows...

If by everyone you mean bud. Ok.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “If by everyone you mean bud. Ok.

Even your little band of slavish proggy followers know you don't tell the truth, but they don't let on because they like your untruths. (hello)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Even your little band of slavish proggy...

Actually the people I hang out with are smart enough to know there is no 'truth' and clever enough to sort my posts with hemorrhaging from their eye sockets.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Actually the people I hang out with are smart...

Well, if there is no truth, then why do you wax so indignant about political issues?

Surely there's no truth there. (hmm)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Well, if there is no truth, then why do you...

None. Why do you side with people who want to destroy families? Why do you like the smell if my farts?

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “None. Why do you side with people who want...

Tut, tut, Vic...

There is no truth... remember...?

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Tut, tut, Vic... There is no truth...

I never said there was. That hasn't stopped you from you vile habbits.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “I never said there was. That hasn't stopped...

Well, you keep insisting on things as if they were true.

When it suits you, that is. Otherwise, no. (hehe)

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Well, you keep insisting on things as if they...

The only one insisting is you.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “The only one insisting is you.

I must admit, Vic, sometimes (rarely) you show a sense of humor... (biggrin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLwRnREB3L4

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “Actually the people I hang out with are smart...

"... clever enough to sort my posts with hemorrhaging from their eye sockets."

I hope I'm never that clever!

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “It matters not what you tell. Everyone knows...

"Prevaricator" - Another great word. I had to look it up - I learn from you all the time.

You have such a grand vocabulary! It's just one of the things I love about you Think. I mean, you can tell a prevaricator to go to hell in such a way that he looks forward to the trip!

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Budwick Budwick

They can pay for a ticket and sit or kneel in the seats all they want, but if they want to be on the field collecting a paycheck it's a different story. I don't have the right to come into the company I work for and protest, or wear inappropriate clothes, or do anything else against company rules. They are entertainers while they are on the field and that is what they are paid for. It has nothing to do with free speech or the Bill of Rights.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

Anyone not singing the national anthem ...is being disrespectful to their team mates , to the club and to their country...they should feel proud and lucky to be a skilled sportsman who can represent club and country...politics should not enter sports..

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JD JD

In response to “Anyone not singing the national anthem ...is...

Then they should just drop singing the National Anthem in the NFL and College all together. It's an entertainment sports, do they sing the anthem before a Boxing match, curling event, freestyle skiing event ... no, So drop it all together and problem solved.

I mean they took history down with all the statues in most states, so just add that to the list.

JMO ...

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SynysterGates SynysterGates

In response to “Then they should just drop singing the...

Or make everyone kneel it shows more respect.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Or make everyone kneel it shows more respect.

There is a time and place for things Vic.

I stand for the national anthem.
I kneel in prayer at church.

Plus, context is everything. Colin K and his proteges made it perfectly clear to everyone (except you apparently) that they knelt in disrespect.

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “Then they should just drop singing the...

I've got nothing against removing it altogether, but politics should not be part of sport...

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JD JD

In response to “I've got nothing against removing it...

I didn't know they sang the American National Anthem at cricket matches.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “I didn't know they sang the American National...

I've never been to a cricket match, so I don't know what they do...it does not say American national anthem, just national anthem....

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JD JD

In response to “I've never been to a cricket match, so I...

Oh now that's a wicked googly!

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Oh now that's a wicked googly!

In England we have a national anthem...don't know what a Googly is...

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JD JD

In response to “In England we have a national anthem...don't...

I think this is what Vic's followers have as an anthem:

Progs save fallacious Vic.
Long live ignoble Vic,
Progs save our Vic.
Send him, censorious,
Always vainglorious
And ever notorious,
Progs save our Vic.

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Thinkerbell Thinkerbell

In response to “I think this is what Vic's followers have as...

Found myself singing it to the right tune...hehe

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JD JD

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