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The shining beacon that is The American Dream had dimmed, had become a mere flicker. Two actions today have rekindled that flame: Trump's EO protecting families, and the Senate's rejection of CHP cuts. The dream is alive, for now. Don't let it dwindle again.

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Trump signs an executive order for something that he started. Yeah right. His signing was just another photo op, all he had to do was make a phone call weeks ago and none of this would have happened. But as usual he wanted the attention.

Now that he has separated so many kids from their parents, how will he reunite them? As usual, he has no plans for that. Some of the parents have already been deported without their little ones. How sadistic this president is. And he wouldn't have signed anything except he was losing quite a bit of Republican support. He doesn't care one bit about what has happened, all he's concerned about his TRUMP.

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Never seen it dim in the first place.

The American dream doesn't flicker just because politics don't go your way.

The people still trying to get in here illegally, don't seem to think it was ever barely flickering...If they did, they would've stop trying to get in here illegally.

Obama kicked out more illegal immigrants than any other president.
The flame didn't go out then, it won't go out now...or ever..

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “Never seen it dim in the first place. The...

There is a lot of room for ideological differences, there is no room for supporting a government that condones white supremacist, violates international laws, pardons felons just because they support him, participates in human rights abuse. That is not a political debate, that is unamerican.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “There is a lot of room for ideological...

True..I wouldn't support our government if it was like that.

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DandyDon DandyDon

In response to “There is a lot of room for ideological...

Are you talking about Clinton and his buddy, tax evader Marc Rich by any chance????

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ozzyboy ozzyboy

In response to “There is a lot of room for ideological...

I disliked Obama too!

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “Never seen it dim in the first place. The...

With a 27% increase in asylum requests during 2017, the US surpassed Germany and now fields more requests than any other country in the world, HuffPo reports. Asylum claims from Central America were up 44%. In 2017, while the inhumane, white supremacist, Nazi President Trump was in office. Who'da thunk?

(Shhh...don't tell Vic.) (biggrin)

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/...b0f0b9e9a50f57

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “With a 27% increase in asylum requests during...

She Vic knows. And the Obama deported more people than any president.

Oh, more than Germany - Germany with 1/4 of our population and 1/5 of our land mass and 1/60 of or GDP.

I think was can handle a few more migrants than 'Germany'.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “She Vic knows. And the Obama deported more...

Let 'em come!

LEGALLY!

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “She Vic knows. And the Obama deported more...

It has nothing to do with the size of Germany, Vic, but with an open door policy that has been emulated across Europe...and created a crisis that few leaders there wish to admit, but that is painfully obvious to the citizens of Europe.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “It has nothing to do with the size of...

Yes it is. But violating human rights and using Nazi tactics can not be the best idea we as a nation can muster.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Yes it is. But violating human rights and...

Agreed. Thing is, no human rights have been violated nor Nazi tactics used.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “Agreed. Thing is, no human rights have been...

Disagree. That exactly what was happening to the point the even Trump's inner circle was appalled including his wife and daughter.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Disagree. That exactly what was happening to...

There is no rational comparison whatsoever, Vic, and you know that. I've come to expect such hyperbole and outright lies from you.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “With a 27% increase in asylum requests during...

Doesn't surprise me..

I get the feeling... if some wouldn't get the extra pickles on their Quarter Pounder.

The cook would be Hitler and the McDonalds a clever disguise for a KKK resort.. (biggrin)

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DandyDon DandyDon

weird man
American CITIZENS are called NAZI's

illegal iLLEGAL ALIENS are dreamers

Feinstein’s Child Separation Bill Would Let Nearly All Parents Who Commit Federal Crimes Get Off Scot-Free

FACIST thinking was beat back before
can you VIC fore see American Refugees being welcomed in far away places?

I like this song....when SHTF
Americans Bleed.... Americans don't RUN AWAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVbwUfG2Teo

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

So...are you satisfied with families being detained together, Vic, a practice the court ordered stopped when Obama used it as a deterrent?

The CBO had already determined that Trump's proposed cuts to CHIP would not affect children for a decade.

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/...sion-proposal/

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “So...are you satisfied with families being...

Not at all, but the humpty is starting to tumble.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Not at all, but the humpty is starting to tumble.

Dems Reject Legislative Fix To Stop Family Separations, “Want To Keep Focus On Trump”

Russia Russia Russia
stormy stormy stormy

the children
the children
the children

speaking of the CHILDREN

Jane Fonda’s Brother Peter Calls for Barron Trump to Be Locked in Cage With Pedophiles

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

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Well isn't he special. SMGDH

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “Well isn't he //special//. SMGDH

this past weekend
the Keweenaw suffered much damage from the heavy rain
about 40 roads are rendered useless or just gone. big **** potholes everywhere

FEMA has yet to determine if the area is enititled to help
but plenty of funds for ILLEGALS

everything is south of me
including Houghton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spMG5uqXFFw

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

In response to “this past weekend the Keweenaw suffered much...

summers are short

this will be a frozen pain in the **** come September/ October

the snows mostly starts in October....mostly

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

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FEMA is a joke.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Dems Reject Legislative Fix To Stop Family...

That was disgusting and I called him out on that. What a douchebag! Talk about giving prog a bad name, Fonda can go to hell for even suggest that.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

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Atta boy! Glad to see you coming around.
Here's a present for you.

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Budwick Budwick

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No thanks. America has always been great in my eyes. You regressives only imagine it is a sh!thole.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Not at all, but the humpty is starting to tumble.

We shall see, Vic...

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Bozette Bozette

take your choice of Fanatics VIC

don't matter to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVntiyMfOj8

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

Freedom hurts

are you Prepared

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

Careful Vic, that almost sounded complimentary of the President.

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trooper trooper

Instead of internment camps for children, now we have internment camps for families. I guess that's an improvement. Meh.

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Logan Logan

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I wonder how people who are defending separating kids from their parents, can live with themselves. Maybe they would welcome the thought of THEIR kids being torn from their arms and put in a detention camp, maybe never to see them again.

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StarzAbove StarzAbove

Look, ultimately I'm glad he signed it.

Though for once it would be nice if, when he inevitably backtracks on stuff like this, he'd put the blame on his own assessment of bad advice, instead of going on autopilot to blame the Democrats, the media, Congress, etc.

Or he could ask himself how many more times he wants to go down the Stephen Miller rabbit hole. He goes down that way expecting to find a talking point for a rally, but instead comes up with legal and moral admonitions, court rulings, and bad press (though getting Trump bad press is like shooting fish in a barrel).

I've never heard Trump criticize Miller, whose policy suggestions and even sometimes his language for speeches and tweets have occasionally landed Trump in hot water. Never too late, I guess.

It's like the two of them seem to miss that there is a core group of extremely nationalistic Trump supporters who are a devoted part of his base but who are a fairly small segment of his constituency.

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Logan Logan

That's why Trump got elected Vic, trying to rekindle the American dream.

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ozzyboy ozzyboy

In response to “That's why Trump got elected Vic, trying to...

Yep. Too bad he nearly extinguished it.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Yep. Too bad he nearly extinguished it.

Not at all,
Vic, just out of curiosity, I'm trying to figure out how the left will put a negative spin on Trump's pardon of Jack Johnson. The only thing I can come up with is that he took too long to do it.

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ozzyboy ozzyboy

In response to “Not at all, Vic, just out of curiosity, I'm...

Can't think of any reason to worry about that one. Now D'Souza, Libby and Arpaio - are a different matter.

Libby sets a precedence for pardoning obstructors of justice. Arapio is just a sicko racist lowlife. D'Sousa sets a precedence for pardoning people who make illegal campaign contributions.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Can't think of any reason to worry about that...

Ha,ha, if all the Dems were prosecuted for their illegal donations they would have to build a ton of new prisons.
I like the law and order of Arpaio and he was railroaded by the past administration. Follow the rules, that's all.
I don't know or care enough about Libby to even comment.

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ozzyboy ozzyboy

Trump signs an executive order for something that he started. Yeah right. His signing was just another photo op, all he had to do was make a phone call weeks ago and none of this would have happened. But as usual he wanted the attention.

Now that he has separated so many kids from their parents, how will he reunite them? As usual, he has no plans for that. Some of the parents have already been deported without their little ones. How sadistic this president is. And he wouldn't have signed anything except he was losing quite a bit of Republican support. He doesn't care one bit about what has happened, all he's concerned about his TRUMP.

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StarzAbove StarzAbove

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Yes. The real bright light is that the Republicans are starting to step up. They are admitting the damage he is doing to our country and are, for the first time, starting to defy him. Bravo! Country before party.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

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It's about time....but Kudos to them for finally standing up for America and stop being afraid of the Bully of Our Country.

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StarzAbove StarzAbove

What's great is no one said a God damned thing about kids being separated from their families when Obama was President.

Selective outrage, selective memory, selective truth. This shit is getting real old, real quick.

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trooper trooper

Whoa whoa whoa... His administration was responsible for the splitting up of families in the first place. He doesn't get credit for backtracking on his own policy.

That's like taking a dump on someone's floor, cleaning it and then saying: "See what a huge favor I just did you by cleaning up your shit problem? Aren't I great?"

That's not how this is supposed to work. Not how it works in my house at least, my kid would never get away with behavior like that.

Overton window theory, go check that out.

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ForkNdaRoad ForkNdaRoad

In response to “Whoa whoa whoa... His administration was...

This particular policy is indeed Trump's. It isn't the first to separate families, though. Nor the harshest. Nor particularly outrageous.

The floor is knee deep in shit. And it isn't even because of Trump's policy, or any policy of any prior president. It's knee deep in shit because Congress has been shirking its duty for decades.

Perhaps it is actually time to look outside of the Overton Window. We have allowed the media and their puppet masters to define the location of the OW. By doing so, they effectively hide a great deal.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “//This// particular policy is indeed...

The media puppets have less and less influence as social media becomes more powerful. This victory falls squarely on the users of Twitter and Facebook.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “The media puppets have less and less...

The media drives what is posted on FB and Twitter, along with the leftists who run the sites with their algorithms and censorship.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “The media //drives// what is posted on FB and...

The right owns the media and you know it.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “The right owns the media and you know it.

HA HA HA! 😂

Try harder, Vic.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “HA HA HA! 😂 Try harder, Vic.

John Flannery - Republican
Rupert Murdoch - Conservative
Bob Iger - Democrat
Bob Backish - Democrat
Jeff Bewkes - Republican
Leslie Moonves - Republican

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “John Flannery - Republican Rupert Murdoch -...

John Flannery (R) GE (NBC)
Brian L. Roberts (Dem) Comcast (NBC)
Rupert Murdoch (Con) Fox
Bob Iger (Dem) Disney (ABC)
Bob Backish (Dem) Viacom
Jeff Bewkes (R) Time-Warner (CNN)
Randall Stephenson (R) AT&T (CNN)
Leslie Moonves (R) (CBS)

Welp...it's a bit more complicated than that, Vic. First off, with the corrections made, CEOs (one co-chairman) of controlling corporations of the major media outlets are now 50-50. Both the former and current CEO of the corporations that own(ed)s CNN are Rs, yet you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that CNN is right wing.

But wait! There's Sinclair Broadcasting, which owns local affiliates of all four local news flavors (ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox Local) and all are ordered to give certain scripted messages...so...local news isn't completely dominated by those CEOs at the top, is it?

Admittedly, though, the media is dominated by Ds/leftists:

https://www.politico.com/magazi...t-coast-215048

https://fivethirtyeight.com/fea...-media-bubble/

And we really cannot forget the pervasive influence of government. From Operation Mockingbird which dates back at least to the early 50s. Ironically...or not, ;), Wiki calls it an "alleged" program. HA HA HA! There's tapes of the hearings, which admit to some...and by the very questions refused answers in public tell a damning tale. And anyone who thinks it ended is delusional.

Then there's the trusted news wire services. AP and UPI were specifically mentioned and that needed to be answered in secret, don'tchaknow...Reuters wouldn't be any different, though they may get their marching orders from MI6 or some other secretive department of British Intel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...on_Mockingbird

https://youtu.be/BovTtyq0gvw

Oh, and then there's the influence on our entertainment media, as well, by both military and intelligence...movies, video games, and books. And who can forget how the military paid the NFL for a little boost of patriotism, eh? Different agencies each have their own "Entertainment Liaison Office". You know, just for accuracy and national security purposes...nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

http://archive.defense.gov/faq/pis/PC12FILM.aspx

http://www.dodlive.mil/2018/02/...ith-hollywood/

http://www.airforcehollywood.af.mil

https://www.army.mil/info/insti...-west/faq.html

https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-...dustry-liaison

https://archives.fbi.gov/archiv...nd-producers-1

https://medium.com/insurge-inte...s-36433107c307

https://www.independent.co.uk/v...-a7918191.html

And here's Bush admitting that the government provides pre-packaged news stories propaganda that neither specify they were created by the government nor do many news outlets inform their audience of such.

https://youtu.be/sITmVizv6X4

And have you noticed how every major channel has analysts either on staff or contract to offer expert analysis propaganda for every breaking story or major happening? And they always generously provide predictions or excuses based upon their years of government service.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04...0generals.html

And they are not limited to military analysts. Fox had Bolton, CNN has Baer, and there are many, many others.

Then there is big tech, which is also decidedly leftist. FB, Twitter, and Google/YT all promote left-wing views, while most anything right wing is downplayed and/or censored both by algorithms and humans. Bezos is also left wing and controls both Amazon and WaPo. Gates tips D, but many would say he's a centrist...personally, I'd say globalist would be most accurate for him.

And with the exception of WaPo, I haven't even touched on the print/online sources, but suffice to say the most oft quoted are left leaning.

Regarding Rs and Ds, as I told Fork yesterday...same butt, different cheeks. Of course, 'we the people' argue very distinct differences both here and in the 3D, but the lines blur considerably in the back rooms of the District. Corporations and those who run them always hedge their bets, backing both sides and passing each other in the revolving doors between Big-fill in the industry and the GovCo and snuggling up together on the sly.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “//This// particular policy is indeed...

"This particular policy is indeed Trump's."

That is correct and that's the topic of this post. I oppose those policies as well, as we discussed at great length the other day. When Trump ends those policies, I'll certainly credit him for them.

I always endeavor to look at the big picture. Exchanging a media controlled window for a executive window is of little significance to me. They all lie their assess off, I don't abide those perimeters. I can pretty well discern between a good deal and a con.

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ForkNdaRoad ForkNdaRoad

In response to “"This particular policy is indeed...

Looking outside the window =/= exchanging one for another.

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Bozette Bozette

In response to “Looking //outside// the window =/= exchanging...

Fortunately there are more than those two options. lol

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ForkNdaRoad ForkNdaRoad

In response to “Fortunately there are more than those two...

My point being I said look outside the box...not look at another biased view.

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