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If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept it all to themselves.

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If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept it all to themselves.

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Many of the people I know who are wealthy, work 60 - 80 hours a week. Why should they have a moral obligation to give a larger portion of what they have earned to those who work 30 - 40 hours a week? Nobody is entitled to what others have worked for.

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Sounds like a union boss. I'm sure he wanted all his business agents to kick back and relax.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

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From Wikipedia (with sources) - On November 13, 1989, Kirkland was presented with the Presidential Citizens Medal by President Bush.
In 1999, Lane Kirkland was awarded the Truman-Reagan Medal of Freedom. Kirkland was awarded posthumously with the highest Polish award, the Order of the White Eagle.The Polish American Freedom Foundation has established a grant in Lane Kirkland's honor.

Yup - a real layabout

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Bub Bub OP

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I saw his awards and they are impressive. I commented sarcastically about his quote. Down grading hard work doesn't sound like a quote I would want to be remembered for. JMHO.

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

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Understood... oh, did you read how he went against the Carter administration regarding the Solidarity movement but eventually won them over to his way of thinking?

I'll allow him his little quote

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Bub Bub OP

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Sounds like a socialist/communist college professor to me.

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Brianl Brianl

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Possibly without actually reading about his accomplishments I can see how you would come to this conclusion.

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Bub Bub OP

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I will read about him and see just who he was. I'm sure it will be enlightening.

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Brianl Brianl

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Well I did read about Mr. Kirkland. While I do appreciate and respect his service to the country during WWII.
And he was on the right side of the issue where it concerns Poland's Solidarity movement.

He did oddly enough manage to do considerable harm to the U.S. labor unions. Which is strange for a guy who lived breathed and ate unions. And was in fact the president of the biggest labor union in America, the AFL-CIO for 16 years.

As a side note, and one that is germane to original topic of this post. At the time of his death, his net worth was in the neighborhood of 9 million dollars.

Wonder if his estate spread that out among the down trodden of the day?

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Brianl Brianl

People who are rich have a moral obligation to help others. It's like nature

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JamesDubbed JamesDubbed

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****. They are obligated in no way, shape, or form! You are programmed.

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Freeranger Freeranger

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Moral obligation buddy. Some of the greats are so transparent with social media these days. Go check out Gary Vaynerchuck

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JamesDubbed JamesDubbed

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Who's morality? Occupy Wallstreet?
Like varying mileages, so to the interpretations.....particularly morality as it exists in the 21st century.

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Freeranger Freeranger

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You are missing the point. There are good people out there, you have to go out and find them

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JamesDubbed JamesDubbed

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I am only missing the point you wish to hold as a truth. Your position is only your reality....not everyone else's. This is where it always gets sticky. At this juncture it becomes a question between those who agree and those who disagree as to your validity.
I wholly disagree with your position...........and then, someone else will come along and disagree with mine, and on it goes.
Ultimately, the outcome of opinion sites.

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Freeranger Freeranger

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So only the rich have a moral obligation to help their fellow man.

The fact is the moral obligation to help your fellow man falls all, rich and poor.

Helping your fellow man isn't just about money.

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Brianl Brianl

Many of the people I know who are wealthy, work 60 - 80 hours a week. Why should they have a moral obligation to give a larger portion of what they have earned to those who work 30 - 40 hours a week? Nobody is entitled to what others have worked for.

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JustJimColo JustJimColo

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They're obligated to share strategy and mindset. You can't hold somebodies hand through the process but you can give them a peek into what it takes.

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JamesDubbed JamesDubbed

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Why are they obligated to share anything? If I spend years developing a strategy for making money, or being successful, why do I owe it to anyone else to tell them? Besides, success is often personality driven, and a lot of that can't be taught.
I don't see Microsoft sharing source code, or tech companies sharing their R&D. Ideas and processes are copywrighted and patented for a reason.

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JustJimColo JustJimColo

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Success isn't a matter of process and isn't a matter of having the Microsoft code. it's mindset and that's what they should teach. Again there are many people sharing the wealth

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JamesDubbed JamesDubbed

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The mindset of hard work and doing what needs to be done in order to succeed has always been out there for anyone who wanted to go after it.

While some people share the wealth they have obtained, nobody else is "entitled" to it.

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JustJimColo JustJimColo

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precisely......I refuse to drink the socialism kool-aid as well

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Freeranger Freeranger

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So how do you plan on making it big then? are you gonna learn from your office manager whos worked a 9-5 his whole life?

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JamesDubbed JamesDubbed

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look, there's nothing wrong from learning from someone to become successful. I completely support that. Wanting to "make it big"--well, I think that trails off in to another discussion such as the one between the vice of greed vs. true want.
However, in your opening contention, you stated that we have some moral responsibility to help others. I would agree, if that help includes assisting someone to become more skilled by the sweat of their own brow.

However, in today's climate, those who "make it" (whatever that means) have some moral responsibility to give their assets away to someone who has less. THAT is no one's business. Any moral imperative to divest yourself of your assets is something totally based on personal core values. This generation "demands" that one gives their assets away, and to that I say...bleeeeeeeeep!

Anyway, I've wasted far too much time on this one to continue. My .02

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Freeranger Freeranger

What wonderful world it would be if there were no rich people. It would be so much better with equal pestilence for everyone

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Brianl Brianl

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I see most are on the side of those that have... that have in abundance

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Bub Bub OP

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One mans abundance is another's want. It's not that I'm on the side of those who have wealth.

I'm just not of the mind set that all the rich didn't become so by working hard for it.

The fact is the vast majority of the wealthy have worked for every dime they have.

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Brianl Brianl

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~~~~~~The fact is the vast majority of the wealthy have worked for every dime they have.~~~~~

Oh? How do you know this? I wonder how many rich folks there were in what is now the mainland U.S. before the white man? Was wealth of any importance?

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Bub Bub OP

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Your response begs the question, at what point is a person considered to be wealthy?

I make a tad over $100,000 a year. Yet I certainly am not wealthy.

Yet to the person making $25,000 Per year I'm sure I seem well off.

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Brianl Brianl

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You chose to answer along your own path. That's fine.

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Bub Bub OP

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I was thinking about a world without rich people, (Or even people better off than others) That would be a liberal's nightmare. That would mean that those who didn't work, wouldn't eat. With nobody to "take" from, the entitlement segments of society would die off..<s>

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JustJimColo JustJimColo

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I believe it was Margret Thatcher who said; Socialism works very well until you run out of rich people.

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Brianl Brianl

I'm sure they worked hard to get where they are.

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