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Freedom is slavery; war is peace; ignorance is strength

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I don't know whether this is too deep for me to understand .... or just plain silly. (think)

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JanHaskell JanHaskell

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The new Democrat Party Slogan!

The hope / change thing was too upbeat, gave people some promise for a future. This, now THIS - tells the people how it's gonna be!

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Budwick Budwick

I don't know whether this is too deep for me to understand .... or just plain silly. (think)

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JanHaskell JanHaskell

But apparently "truth is not truth".

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “But apparently "truth is not truth".

That's OK Vic, you don't believe in truth anyway.

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “That's OK Vic, you don't believe in truth anyway.

But you do. See how wrong you were?

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “But you do. See how wrong you were?

George Orwell writes something, and that makes it true? The Novel from which this quote comes from is fiction!

You really don't understand the whole concept of truth, do you?

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Budwick Budwick

In response to “George Orwell writes something, and that...

Actually I do
Nothing is true. It is you who has a problem getting that.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

I don't agree with any of that. Ignorance is not strength, it's living in the dark.

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StarzAbove StarzAbove

In response to “I don't agree with any of that. Ignorance is...

Conservative motto: Ignorance is Bliss

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Flrdsgns Flrdsgns

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Ha....there are a lot of them living in total bliss. lol

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StarzAbove StarzAbove

Water is Fire; Heaven is Hell; Night is Day. Do you agree with that? Pretty foolish, right?

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JerryHendrickson JerryHendrickson

Owell was always about a half bubble off level. :)

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Will_Janitor Will_Janitor

Orwell had some odd ideas, or maybe too deep thinking for me. I take only the surface and don't dig into things.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred

his book was a warning

not a set of instructions

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

In response to “his book was a warning not a set of instructions

Seem like it was warning about the current GOO leadership.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

In response to “Seem like it was warning about the current...

really

you really honestly believe that

because if you do
you believe this is normal behavior
for a59 year old male at a conformation hearing

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

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That has nothing to do with the GOP using all of the tactics that Orwell warned about, almost as if they are reading the book page by page and acting it out.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

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you throw accusations out
but you don't define them
please do

andanother thing

lowest Unemployment in 49 years
come back over

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Neanderthal_Momdoer Neanderthal_Momdoer

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I don't mean to laugh but when Obama claimed the lowest unemployment rates the republicans said he 'fudged' the numbers. When a man known for lying about everything says it, you sudden believe it is true.

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VicZinc VicZinc OP

I can agree if:
- if he's saying freedom has limits. Freedom isn't really "freedom". Real freedom would be anarchy. So our freedom is "enslaved" by the law.
- If he's speaking of people who profit from war. I would say they're in peace with their money or whatever they gained from it. Also, some people do enjoy violence like you see in war, especially if they are the ones creating it. There's also this mentality of "challenge", where humanity doesn't appear to be able to just sit down and enjoy actual peace. There has to be a battle about something for them to enjoy their lives.
- If you're a fool that sees itself right and reject all that doesn't fit his/her narrative, rejecting knowledge to keep their views "strong".

But if he's being literal, as in, this is the way a sane, good-intended person thinks, then, I'll have to disagree.

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Sofia Sofia

Everybody always goes 1984.. I think Animal Farm is still just as relevant. Though I Think HG Wells was more predictively correct. I can actually see the Morlocks and Eloi choosing sides right now.

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DW2 DW2

"Freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength." was the slogan of the tyrannical regime controlling society in the book '1984'. It's basically a commentary on the fallacious logic propagated by tyrants throughout history.

Freedom is slavery: that's basically the argument of socialism. According to them, in a free market people are slaves to the corporate elite. They seek to replace free markets with controlled production, saying it will end workers' slavery to corporations (failing to mention of course that they will become literal slaves to the government).

War is peace: remember "humanitarian intervention" into Libya? Humanitarian war, what a sick farce. Prior to the war, women in Libya went in public unveiled, attended university, held important positions, there were generous social programs. Now Libya is ruled by competing warlords and there are literal slave markets. How humanitarian. But all war is sold as advancing the cause of peace.

You can look to more recent events too, look at the whole concept of "punch a Nazi" on the far left. You have people peacefully demonstrating for free speech rights and they're violently attacked by people who think they're attacking Nazis, failing to realize that they're the ones behaving like Nazis. They make war for the cause of peace... in their minds. In reality, they're just suckers who've been sold war.

Ignorance is strength: that's basically the argument of censors in a nutshell. In their minds, it's good if people aren't exposed to certain ideas, better if they self-censor the ideas they consider through biases imparted to them by media and education. In the minds of censors, ignorance is strength.

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