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But peace and love are not meaningful if there is no God, because there are no moral absolutes, nor is there meaning to the universe. We are just on an infinitesimally small piece of dust floating throughout a universe that just so happened to be perfectly fitted to support life, and we are just accidents of nature.

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I don't believe that peace and love are contingent on God. You can. I don't. Let's agree to disagree, shall we?

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Yes, but who is to say that his teachings were good teachings if they weren't divinely inspired?

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I think they're good teachings. I don't mind that YOU have to believe in God and Jesus' divinity in order to accept his message of peace and love, but I don't. I can feel peace and love without needing to attach it to any religion.

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I disagree. I think he either knew he was the Son of God or he was lying. If he had no divine authority like he claimed, than his teachings are meaningless. They are simply an opinion, because without a God, there are no moral absolutes.

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pantherfanatic pantherfanatic

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I disagree. I reject any moral authority he had, but accept the moral guidance. I can accept moral guidance from anyone, without taking an absolutist view. Thinkers on morality like Bentham or Hick do not claim to divinity, but they can still present moral teachings. Why is Jesus any different?

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If Jesus was just a moral teacher, then he was a liar and a hypocrite. He claimed to be the Son of God, and be God himself. He was either telling the truth, or he was cruelly misleading thousands, and eventually billions of people.

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So I'm not allowed to love my neighbor or turn the other cheek? Is that what you're trying to say? Maybe Jesus was just a really nice guy. Some of his ideas were good. In my opinion, some of his ideas weren't so good. I can choose to keep the good ones in mind.

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Let's not turn this into a religious debate. The whole point I'm making is that we can all agree that Jesus had some great ideas. Let's not focus on the tiny differences.

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Actually Jesus taught that he was the son of God. So really you can't believe that he was an ordinary person and follow his teachings. Just putting that out there.

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I don't follow *all* of his teachings. If I did that I wouldn't be an atheists. But I follow quite a few of his moral principles, which in my opinion are not inextricably predicated on his claims of divinity.

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Isnt astrology just the study of stars? I thought that the horoscope thing was astronomy.

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Other way round.

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I'm really trying to respect your beliefs and and insult them. So would you please not insult mine? Thank you.

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I'm afraid that my beliefs are separate from my factual knowledge.

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Maybe it's both.
I really don't think that it was made 6,000 years ago.
But I wouldn't ever consider our existence made without something supernatural.

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I think the very earliest 'spark' of life's origins are open for debate. However, the notion that Creationists hold to, that each species was independently designed by God, is frankly moronic.

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I never said it was, I said there is absolutely no possible way to know for sure the way it all was created. I believe in Creationism, you believe in Evolution. So let's settle our difference by not doing anything about it.

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If it were a purely spiritual matter, I would agree. However, it has direct pertinence to our modern scientific method. We don't know exactly how the world was made. However, we can be fairly sure that it wasn't made by magic 6000 years ago. And we can be certain that evolution is the biological process by which life as we know it came to be.

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I can't really argue with the sort of person who thinks that Creationism is equal in veracity to science. It's a slap in the face to dedicated, hardworking scientists. It's a product of obstinate ignorance and based in fallacy.

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There's no way to be sure of how the universe was created until we all die. So can we just stop all the religious arguments until then?

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Not the universe, life on Earth. The idea that it all came to be six thousand years ago is **** retarded.

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That's what lots of religions do. I suggest ignoring that bit, and letting people be and all that. But if you disagree, that's alright. Let's not argue.

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And this is where we find religious intolerance and conflict - you wouldn't want muslim groups attempting to convert you or subvert your personal liberties, likewise with Christianity. Your beliefs are your business, no-one else's. Amirite?

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