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HA ROFL! Oh, that was good, tell another joke.

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Joke? These aren't jokes bro. I'm telling you what I've seen and heard; in other words, in a legal proceeding, the things I'm telling you would be recognized because I was there when it happened. Would I lie?... If I was lying, why am I pointing to God as the one with the power and myself as a fortunate witness? Dude, I am nothing awesome or powerful, but I have seen how Good God is, so I'm just trying to proclaim His Glory.

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A "real" Christian does not have to avidly read the Bible. A Christian is just a person who believes in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

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What does it mean to "believe Jesus Christ and His teachings?"
What I mean is, how can you know what Jesus Christ taught apart from reading the BIble? Didn't Jesus say Himself that He didn't come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill them?
So not only is Jesus' teaching important, but everything in the Old Testament about the Law and from the Prophets is important.

Of course, all of this reading, knowledge, and teaching pales in comparison to loving God; 1 Corinthians 13 says that without love everything is meaningless. (Yes, they pale in comparison, but obeying the Law and Prophets is how we show God love. John 14:23-24)

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(Just wondering): its*

You can't say "they believe" like that. Not to make an ordeal about something insignificant, but just to put it out there, Christians don't think in a homogenous way. I do not believe all of the Bible is the word of God, and I don't believe all of the word of God is in the Bible.

I experience God through what I find to be powerful in the Bible, though preaching, through exploring God myself, but certainly not with things like the laws for ancient Jews or organized religion. I'm comfortable with the fact that I can't ever know how right I am about morality and faith, especially since nobody can but Jesus (not to be a religionfag).

(This is me answering questions, not trying to shove anything down anyone's throats)

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You can know. Even in the New Testament, Jesus says what's right and what's wrong, all summed up in these two phrases: "Love the LORD God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength," and "Love your neighbor as yourself." Morality isn't confusing, it's love :) Jesus said so Himself.
He also said that faith means taking up our crosses and following Him every day; being living sacrifices, Holy and pleasing to God; dying to our sinful nature and becoming Alive In Him! (Life in unity with God! it's so exciting!).
Then there's the rest of the Bible outlining what all of that comes from and what all of that means...like not harming others, getting drunk, being perverted, or worshiping anything other than God.

As someone who has read the whole Bible through, I haven't found anything in there that hasn't helped me to be a good Christian, and haven't found a part that isn't the Word of God.

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That is the pessamistic view on life. An optomist would say that there is a solution for every problem.

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It's just something that my grandfather (an engineer) said concerning technology. If you think about it, he's right. You can't fix a problem without creating some other sort of problem...

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I don't mean to sound rude...but I call ****.

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No offense taken, but dude, miracles are For Real and they're all over the place. I've been favored enough to see a few, but I know that it was God's hand which accomplished those things and not my own.

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I just have to say that two hands clasped in prayer have instantly healed someone of a spleen infection and someone else of a sprained ankle twice (I witnessed these things). On top of those things, prayer does unseen things that no two hands can do like move hearts and change minds, weaken demons and their strongholds, move God's heart and lay claim of victory over sin and death. I know I don't pray as much as I should, but I know that my prayer is more effective than anything I can do with my own two hands.

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I think it's kind of hilarious that this is still going on 10 months later.

And, Apollos, if I were you, I wouldn't argue about blind faith when your evidence is bible verses. Just sayin'.

And lastly, there is evidence of animals adapting to their environments and there has been for centuries.

That's just my 2 cents and I shall leave this post before half a dozen hard core Christians attempt to murder me with words. Thank you.

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The evidence of Christianity is this: when you live by the Bible, the things that the Bible promises happen. I am confident that The Bible is truth because it has been true in my own life in every way.
I know you don't want to start a flame war, and the good news is that I'm the only one who sees when you post something new on here and I promise not to flame you intentionally in any way.

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You can't give me a quandary that reads: "If God is who he says he is in the Bible", for two reasons, I don't believe anything in the Bible without undeniable proof, and even following your logic, the Bible was not written by "God" but by man, which means none of it can be proven. I don't believe that any of the horrible things I mentioned should have happened, regardless of "what was in their hearts", because I have morals, something that Christians tend to overlook "because God is perfect". Innocent newborn babies (and unborn children) died in the Holocaust/Rowandan Genocides/Religious Crusades, were their hearts evil? None of these people deserved to die, excepting heinous criminals, in my opinion because I value human life more than some old book that's somehow attracted a cult following.

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I know you want this conversation to end, so I'll let these be my closing words:
Yes, I agree completely that the innocent dying is a horrible thing, and in fact pray for that to end in America too (abortion). It's clear in the Bible that God can't stand the shedding of innocent blood.
On the other hand (which you don't want to hear), God promises that children under a certain age always get into heaven, and that people who suffer much in this life will have rewards in the next.
Like I said; God is Just. He won't just let the innocent suffer and then forget about them, he blesses them in the next life.

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No one, & I repeat NO ONE, including the most evil ,corrupted individuals to be found in the universe, deserves what some people are forced to endure in their lives. I don't care how zealous you are, The Holocaust, The Rowandan Genocide, The Crusades and so many others things NEVER should have happened.

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How do you figure? Do you know what people deserve? Are you the Judge of the World?
Didn't God protect many, even in the times of the Holocaust and Rowandan Genocide? Was it God who killed those people or was it people who separated themselves from God? Didn't the people who did those things get punished in the best way that the world knew how to punish them?
Let's assume that God is who He says He is in the Bible; God knows people's hearts, God knows what people have done, what people will do, what Eternity is like, what the punishments he will give them will do for them (make them reconsider things/harden their hearts), and therefore what is Just. If, for example, someone won't repent/change and steals constantly, God knows that and would be justified in punishing them in any way that He knew would change them, or in a way that would benefit others if He knows that they won't change.

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For the record, the Church I am unwillingly forced to go to is exactly the "party" you described, and note I said "made to be monopolized upon" some believe in Christianity so profoundly that they know nothing of how others twist & corrupt what is believed to be (& many times is) a pure & just system, despite my own disbelief.

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So those who belong to God are those who know God and do His will, who take up their cross and follow Jesus; those who follow Jesus are called Christians because they're Christ-like (the literal translation).
The corrupted and pure aren't the same, just like O2 and CO2 aren't the same. Why should the pure worry about the corrupt (other than by trying to purify it)? It doesn't corrupt it by being in the same space as it just like O2 doesn't turn into CO2 by being in the same atmosphere.
I'm saying all of this to try to show you that God is uncorrupted and that it would be worth your time to give your time to God.

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For the record, the Church I am unwillingly forced to go to is exactly the "party" you described, and note I said "made to be monopolized upon" some believe in Christianity so profoundly that they know nothing of how others twist & corrupt what is believed to be (& many times is) a pure & just system, despite my own disbelief.

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When something (art for example) is twisted or corrupted, it becomes something else, and it's worth changes. Christianity is the same way. When the words of God are twisted or corrupted, it's not a word of God it's hypocrisy or blasphemy
You know the part of Christianity that isn't corrupted by hypocrisy, that's great! I searched for so long after encountering God to find a church devoted to God, but there you are already in the midst of one!

Now, as I've said, the twisted and corrupted parts aren't the same stuff as the pure parts; like Matthew 7 says, "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"
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You can't deny that the Old Testament was created wholly by Judaism, and many of your Christian idols are Pagan, Roman, & Greek, that is not an opinion, it's a fact. The Cross is an ancient Roman torture device (I'm sure you knew that), Sunday is the Holy Day of the Sun God Ra, your depictions of angels are mainly Pagan Cherubs, & I can name many more. In fact, the image of God as and old, grey-haired man is exactly the same depiction as the Roman Juno, and the Greek Hades. To answer how people are "healed" by "Christ" (existence debatable) I'll use a scientifically proven example: If you give a man a sugar pill, & tell him it will heal his disease, his own willpower will take over & he will essentially cure himself: The Placebo Effect. The same applies to faith, it's even been shown that telling someone their "cure" is a Placebo will not affect their healing process.

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There are as many cases where placebos don't work also, but I've seen a prayer offered in faith cure a sick person on the spot and I've seen a life handed over to God freed from addiction the same day. How do you explain that with science?

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You can't deny that the Old Testament was created wholly by Judaism, and many of your Christian idols are Pagan, Roman, & Greek, that is not an opinion, it's a fact. The Cross is an ancient Roman torture device (I'm sure you knew that), Sunday is the Holy Day of the Sun God Ra, your depictions of angels are mainly Pagan Cherubs, & I can name many more. In fact, the image of God as and old, grey-haired man is exactly the same depiction as the Roman Juno, and the Greek Hades. To answer how people are "healed" by "Christ" (existence debatable) I'll use a scientifically proven example: If you give a man a sugar pill, & tell him it will heal his disease, his own willpower will take over & he will essentially cure himself: The Placebo Effect. The same applies to faith, it's even been shown that telling someone their "cure" is a Placebo will not affect their healing process.

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Yes the Old Testament was created by the Jews, but it wasn't stolen from them. Christ came to fulfill what is written in the Jewish Law, not overwrite or do away with, but fulfill, which means that only in Jesus can humans obey the Law.
Those other symbols you mentioned aren't worshiped by Christians, some churches don't even have those symbols in them. You say you attend Church, so you know that a Christian is just a forgiven sinner; artists who wanted to change what they were doing so that it glorified God more probably drew from what they knew (other religions) to depict (as accurately as they could) the "religious symbols" they were painting. Also, the fourth commandment is to not have any symbols which you worship, so if any church does worship the cross or praise the paintings of angels, they break God's commandment.
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Inferior? God loves females as much as males, but says that they are under man's authority (genesis 3:16). It also says (which may be even more unfair) that men should care for women like Christ cares for the church. Now, All are under Christ's authority, and All are loved by Christ; so if women are under the authority of someone acting like Christ, how are they different from anyone else? If men have to care for women like Christ cares for the church, how is that demeaning? Christ gave up himself, even dying, so that those he loved could live fuller lives.
Now, I don't know the statistics, but from what I've seen the church is more actively involved in fighting poverty and starvation than any other group. What causes starvation and poverty? Most often, it's corrupt rulers and wars, and seldom (in comparison) is famine a cause of starvation. So how can you blame God, who is active in fixing it and not with those who cause it?

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And God knows everyone and what they've done. God is a just God, so if He decides that someone deserves a famine or poverty (which isn't actually a bad thing, I mean luxuries don't make people happier or better people), who are we to argue? We don't know what people have done or their hearts like God does.

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Excuse me if I don't think an entire half of the population should be made inferior (females by the church) because an ancient book, written by men no less, said the first woman ate an apple. People die every day of poverty and hunger, if there is a God, we should all hate him for causing all of this.

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Inferior? God loves females as much as males, but says that they are under man's authority (genesis 3:16). It also says (which may be even more unfair) that men should care for women like Christ cares for the church. Now, All are under Christ's authority, and All are loved by Christ; so if women are under the authority of someone acting like Christ, how are they different from anyone else? If men have to care for women like Christ cares for the church, how is that demeaning? Christ gave up himself, even dying, so that those he loved could live fuller lives.
Now, I don't know the statistics, but from what I've seen the church is more actively involved in fighting poverty and starvation than any other group. What causes starvation and poverty? Most often, it's corrupt rulers and wars, and seldom (in comparison) is famine a cause of starvation. So how can you blame God, who is active in fixing it and not with those who cause it?

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Well taking all that in I can only say that not only have you gloriously sidestepped my question, but have also managed to undermine everything that has ever been discovered or theorized with a simple, non-mathematical, uneducated equation, that could never be work out by the greatest of mathematicians. So just answer my original question "What made God?", then while you're at it explain to me why you believe in a religion that is in fact a well-thought-out, made-to-be-monopolized-upon, conglomeration of other pre-existing religions, with no real originality. Historically that is all Christianity is, in fact, even one of it's "Holy" books is copied and pasted off of another religion.

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Now, if Christianity was a copy and compilation of other dead religions, how could this happen? If Christianity isn't real and original, how can people find freedom and joy in Christ like they have found nowhere else?

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Well taking all that in I can only say that not only have you gloriously sidestepped my question, but have also managed to undermine everything that has ever been discovered or theorized with a simple, non-mathematical, uneducated equation, that could never be work out by the greatest of mathematicians. So just answer my original question "What made God?", then while you're at it explain to me why you believe in a religion that is in fact a well-thought-out, made-to-be-monopolized-upon, conglomeration of other pre-existing religions, with no real originality. Historically that is all Christianity is, in fact, even one of it's "Holy" books is copied and pasted off of another religion.

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I didn't say who made God because no one made God; He's eternal. You may laugh at that, but either God or matter is eternal, and with a universe that's only so old and which isn't currently collapsing on itself, how can we assume that matter is eternal?

If Christianity is made to be monopolized, why is it that the church I've seen God moving the most is a warehouse with some chairs and a plywood stage and not a 14 million dollar building with light shows that put some concerts to shame? Because that's not what it's about at all, it's about recognizing our need and getting to know the God who saves.
What do I mean by 'seen God move the most?' I mean that God has changed lives dramatically. What do I mean by that? Drug addicts are now completely clean through Jesus, **** addicts are now free from that through Jesus (me included), the depressed and hurting are filled with love and joy in Jesus, and more.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Source Unkown

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Where did evil come from? Adam and Eve when they ate the fruit which God commanded them not to eat (human nature, disobedience, pride). Evil comes from us when we do things which God doesn't like. Evil comes from us disobeying God's gift of His Law. How can God's Law be a gift if evil comes from it? Because only once we know what evil is can we receive grace and life from Jesus (and the life which we receive is infinitely more abundant than life before we die in our sins); sin increases so that God's grace and love may abound that much more!
Note: God's grace enables us to follow the law, it isn't a pass to sin whenever we want "so that grace may increase." It's still about doing what God wants, but we can't do that without God's grace.

I'm summarizing the first few chapters of the book of Romans. If you want a more thorough answer to where sin came from and why it's here, you can just read Romans.
http://www.biblegateway.com/pas...38;version=NIV

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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Source Unkown

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God is able and willing to destroy evil. God's just waiting to destroy it for our own good. Think about it; If God destroyed evil while most of the world lives lives that God would consider 'evil,' he would have to destroy most of the world! God wants people to turn from their sinful/evil ways to him (repent) so they can experience the life that's in him and not the death that's in worldly things.
God has promised to destroy evil. In Revelations, God shows John what will happen in the last days of the world; seven years of God pouring his wrath out on the world, then the destruction of the antichrist, the devil, sin, death, and hades.
God is already victorious over evil and death. When Jesus died on the cross, he took the sins (evil) of the world upon himself, and when he rose again he claimed victory over death. Why did God come to this world and die? because he loves you & me and wants you & me to have freedom from sin and have eternal life.
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You'll find that less than 1% of all Evolutionists just pick up Evolution "because it's scientific", in fact I know that many Evolutionists fight a long internal battle against whatever religion they were raised on. It is for that very reason I can dispute your religion (as you have given me free reign to do so) with little doubt, because I know after long, hard thinking that goes on when someone switches religion, one can have little doubt. I don't assume you have ever truly wondered if your religion was correct, not simply a casual thought, but more a profound wonderment of other religion and whether any could be even vaguely correct. Of course I must ask the one question that no one can truly and undoubtedly answer, and that is: If there is a god how did he begin, what made him to make us.

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force of gravity being what it is, strong and weak nuclear forces being the precisely right value, properties of water, life "happening," etc) you come up with almost 1/∞. They say that's because there have been an infinite number of universes. How can they prove that? How can they test that? They've said that the universe is constantly expanding; how does it collapse and big bang again if it doesn't collapse on itself? How did life begin in the first place? How can they be sure that the transitional fossils they've found aren't defective creatures of a known species or some extinct species? How can so many people settle with "we'll figure that out eventually" as a valid, scientific answer to these questions? Isn't science supposed to collect data then draw conclusions, not search for data to fit the conclusions? So how's this whole thing scientific at all? Think about all that.

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You'll find that less than 1% of all Evolutionists just pick up Evolution "because it's scientific", in fact I know that many Evolutionists fight a long internal battle against whatever religion they were raised on. It is for that very reason I can dispute your religion (as you have given me free reign to do so) with little doubt, because I know after long, hard thinking that goes on when someone switches religion, one can have little doubt. I don't assume you have ever truly wondered if your religion was correct, not simply a casual thought, but more a profound wonderment of other religion and whether any could be even vaguely correct. Of course I must ask the one question that no one can truly and undoubtedly answer, and that is: If there is a god how did he begin, what made him to make us.

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As I said, I'm one of those Christians who knows what I believe and who my faith is in. Did you read what I wrote just above your comment? I went through a long internal battle (depression) against the "religion" I was raised upon, then found Jesus and peace. Why put religion in quotes? Because "religion" is a way of thinking and of trying to do things on our own. That's not what Christianity is. Christianity is loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself; a relationship with God in every sense of the word relationship.
Did you read what I wrote? I have studied the best of the evolutionists and found only more questions and fewer answers.
For example; if you add up all the factors that have to be just right for this planet, this universe, to support live (presence of water, distance from star, kind of star, axial tilt, type of atmosphere, type of crust, type of core, amount of dark matter,...
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Which point(s) in particular?

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If you only believe in the validity of the Theory of Evolution because of what you've seen and studied, then you aren't one of the people who accept scientists as a higher power, but if you accept it because 'it's scientific,' (meaning scientists have conjectured it, albeit unscientifically) then you too accept them as a 'higher power.'

Lastly, I'm not one of those Christians who doesn't actually know what I believe; I know my God personally, and I know that God loves me and that God loves you. I know that a year ago I was smart and depressed, considering suicide even, but now that I know God I'm full of joy like no knowledge could make me, like no person could make me, and like nothing on this world could make me. I live for an invisible God, fixing my eyes on what is unseen because what is seen is only temporary but what is unseen is eternal (2 Corinthians 4:18).

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Which point(s) in particular?

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The way I see it, you're as free to criticize my beliefs as I am to criticize evolution (for without criticism how will truth be found? it's logic).
I capitalized actual because I wanted people to notice it more (that's not debatable).
I have listened to lectures by some of the 'great' evolutionists and scientists who are proponents of evolution, I've heard about it in school, I've studied it from many angles (I won't say every because there's always a new way to look at things, but still many), and after doing all of that I realized that most people just accept the conjectures of scientists on top of their data collection without looking into the validity of said conjectures — or in other words they look upon the scientists as some sort of 'higher power' who is allowed to make confusing conjectures because they were involved in the data collection and have studied what people before them have thought.
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