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For this to work there would need to be dramatic improvements in public transportation. But I would also support a majority of people, not just the elderly, switching to public transportation.

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I feel like the Christmas thing is just a matter of wording. I would consider "celebrating" Christmas to be a christian thing because what else would you be celebrating other than Christ's birth. But I believe you can embrace the Christmas spirit and participate in some of the Christmas activities without being christian.

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If we could take the aborted babies and give them a say as well as the women, then it would be equal. But we can't. Also, don't say that aborted babies aren't human without saying a reason because the entire reason that people argue against abortion is that they think they are human.

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I feel like obesity is more due to the rising levels of homework and video games than it is to the unhealthy snacks. I think they are the bigger issue.

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"Sky" is the best. Not only is it extremely hard to get, but a child could also spell it.

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You could also interpret a line as having two endpoints, in which case you might choose to go the front end of the line

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I don't really know when I consider it to be human... I'm just saying to me it doesn't really matter since it's still the woman's body. I even know a pro-choice person who believes life begins at conception.

I think that when it comes to abortion, it isn't right to give a life to someone if it means taking away the rights of another. I don't think it is anyone else's business what a woman does to the baby growing in her own body. Only the woman can judge what to do to her own body, not the government. I was under the impression that I lived in America where the government can't butt into your life unless they have probable reason and a warrant to support their reason. What a woman decides for her own body is NOT probable reason in my opinion.

I've never given childbirth myself but I bet you can ask any mother if they consider childbirth a miracle and they'll say no. What comes after, yes that's a miracle. But the whole process of giving birth just sounds horrid.

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I think if you take the initiative to create life, you have the obligation to at least give it the chance to live. The permanent removal of the right to life seems more important to me than the 9 month sacrifice, especially since **** wasn't even the child's choice. If you don't think the fetus is a living human being yet, then that's your belief and this argument is void. But, I really think people need to take responsibility for their actions, rather than relying on doctors to fix their problems for them.

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I shouldn't have said "make". I should have said "Shaming people for not waiting because of your beliefs is never reasonable" You have nothing to apologize for. I was the one who chose the wrong wording.

It's just the way I think. Even if the fetus is human it's a human living and growing in another human's body therefore the woman does have the right to decide the fate of the fetus. No one has the right to force a human being to carry a baby in her body for 9 months then give childbirth, which from what I've heard is bad enough going through willingly; i can't even imagine what'd it'd feel like going through unwillingly.

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No one has the right to bring a life into the world and then just kill it. It takes the miracle that is childbirth and treats it like garbage. The thought of it repulses me. I can see your point if you don't consider the fetus to be human yet, but if you consider it to be human and still think it can just be discarded for the pain and inconvenience, I have nothing more to say.

I truthfully can't make up my mind on this issue; i think both sides have good arguments. I know that their are cases where abortion is called for, but I don't think it should mean a complete absolution of responsibility either.

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You misunderstood me. When did i ever say outlawing abortion will make people wait to have ****?

You said this: I was just pointing out that if you were to believe that, then their argument is reasonable.

So I replied with this: making people wait to have **** just because of your beliefs is never reasonable.

I meant that the argument I mentioned in the post (don't have **** if you don't want a baby) is not reasonable no matter what you believe. Maybe you meant their argument for abortion in general not just this specific one? Doesn't sound like it though with the way you worded it.

Anyway, I don't believe it matters when a fetus gets the status of a human since a woman should be able to decide what to do with her own body regardless if the baby is human at conception or at birth.

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You said "Making people wait...is never justified". But, I didn't think that you can "make" people wait. So I assumed you thought outlawing abortion was the same as making people wait; thus I was telling you I didn't think it was. Sorry.
But it does matter when the fetus becomes a human because if it is at conception, then the fetus is his body. She might be able to decide what to do with her body, but she doesn't have the right to decide the fate of his body. The moment one decides that the fetus is human, it is homicide to abort it.

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I never said it being legal made it right, however sometimes it is the right decision for the woman. I said, it being legal makes it impossible to clarify as murder. And even if abortion was illegal it still couldn't fully be classified as murder. And making people wait to have **** just because of your beliefs is never reasonable.

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Outlawing abortion is not the same as making people wait to have **. There would just be consequences for having **, just like there was before abortion came about. If one believes that abortion is equivalent to homicide, then it is completely reasonable to propose it be outlawed.
The problem is that there is no non-subjective way to decide when a fetus gets the moral status of a human. Unless you want to argue that **** is worth killing a person or unless you can convince me of an objective way to decide when a fetus becomes human, this argument is bound to end in a stalemate.

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But it isn't murder. Murder is unlawful killing with malicious afterthought. Abortion is legal and most likely the woman doesn't get an abortion with evil intentions in mind therefore abortion cannot be categorized as murder. no it doesn't seem reasonable to say you should abstain until you are ready for children. People can abstain for however long they want or not at all regardless if they aren't prepared for a baby. They shouldn't be shamed for having **** just because they aren't ready for a child.

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Most people who are against abortion do think it is murder or at least homicide. I was just pointing out that if you were to believe that, then their argument is reasonable. Obviously if you don't think it's killing, then making people wait will seem dumb to you. Also, just to point out, the fact that abortion is legal now has no bearing on whether it is right.

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From the anti abortion perspective, it's really "if you aren't ready for a baby and if you don't want to murder, then don't have ****." The only way to understand their argument, is to accept their premise that abortion is murder. If you accept that, then it seems reasonable to say you should abstain until you are ready.

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It said people. It didn't say all people. It didn't say all Christians. Yes this post should have been worded better, but it does have a point. A lot of the fundamentalists who are saying that gay marriage goes against the Bible will also ignore Jesus' more socialistic teachings (i.e. sell all your belongings and give to the poor, and the fact that it is extremely hard for the rich man to enter heaven.)

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If I said "Muslims use their faith to justify bombing countries", you would assume I meant at least a majority of Muslims did so. Similarly, since he said "people use God as an argument only for their own benefit", I would assume he meant at least a majority of religious people, which I argue is not the case. I feel like he is pointing out the exception, not the rule.

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I think this is a lot like saying all Muslims are terrorists. In reality, most religions teach precepts like loving your neighbor, helping the poor, forgiveness, etc. And, believe it or not, many believers do actually take them to heart.

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I agree, but I further specify .5mm or .38mm thickness

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