I always wanted an ivory bodice with a white skirt.

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And I would have no trouble with exceptional circumstances being reasons for abortion. Necessity is one thing, but the majority of abortions are NOT for those reasons. You can check the statistics on that yourself.

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Then how would you keep girls from lying about having a special circumstance? From saying they were raped? From removing the baby themselves with a coathanger in their bedroom? From going to a back alley to a "doctor"?

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And I understand that. I just have never understood why innocent babies have to be killed because a mother does not want the child. It is a child, and all throughout her pregnancy it is called a child. But somehow when she decides to "abort" it is no longer a child and becomes something else. I do think abortion itself is wrong and view it as murder. That was the purpose of my OP.

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Sometimes the physical strain of pregnancy is enough to kill a person. There might also be something wrong with the mother that could transmit to the baby or something wrong with the baby itself. Both of those things would make giving birth difficult and even fatal.

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You aren't going to like this. I'm not Atheist. But I think it's because Christians are constantly trying to disprove and attack Atheism.

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So instead of killing the unborn baby, why aren't more of these women allowing the baby to be born and then allowing it to be adopted by a family who would love to have one?

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I'm not saying I don't get what you're saying about how we need to decide whether a fetus is a human or not, but I don't think abortion itself is wrong. I wouldn't get one myself, but I feel like outlawing abortion would be treading on the rights of women.

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The first example is an example of intended abortion. And while the unborn fetus has rights, it doesn't have more rights than the woman carrying it. The second example is just what you said, a forced miscarriage. Maybe not intentional, but it left the willing mother without a child. When a woman gets an abortion willingly, however,the woman never had the heart of a mother in the first place, and even if she did, she wasn't willing to be a mother. Which is okay. People are allowed to have their own feelings.

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Wait...really? I wouldn't expect this to be in the positives...learn your maths people!!!!

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It's not a problem with anyone's math skills. It's just a knee-jerk reaction. When people really think about it, of course they know that it's actually the 1980's. I guess it's just easier to subtract 30 from a round number like 2000.

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Not really, everyone's friends with everyone at my school. Some of them just tolerate each other's presence, but there aren't really vast differences between cliques.

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I said "Class/Income" because it seems that people make assumptions about people based on their income whether they know it or not. Even I'm guilty of it. If I see someone that is in old clothes, or maybe has dirty teeth, I almost always automatically assume that they don't make a lot of money.

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