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Chuck Norris jokes = old and lame

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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I think I posted this over a year ago... So, yes you are correct.

Even then you were correct.

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The guy in the video was nice enough, and he was just doing his job. Sure, the TSA **** up loads of times, but there are sick people out here. It's by far better to make 1,000 people uncomfortable than not to take any security precautions and have 1,000 people die. I'm not saying that the process now is perfect. It's obvious in the video that it's not, but I'll take a full on strip search over being blown up any day.

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I'd argue that they haven't actually intercepted an attack yet, the FBI and CIA do this. And maybe they work as a deterrent but there's no way to judge how effective it is. That no other form of transport, or indeed everyday activity has ever been monitored so carefully but nor was it ever so safe and free of incidents to begin with.

They systematically dehumanise people in the name of safety, the need for which is generated by an obscene foreign policy I have nothing to do with. I don't like being shat on by big establishments, I would happily walk onto a plane having just had my passport and luggage checked as was done for most of aviation history.

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It's similar to American Football, same shaped ball, but you can only pass it backwards, and play doesn't stop so often so you have massive confrontations called Scrums and Rucks. Youtube it, its pretty good.

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What if you have a large amount of counterfeit money? Wouldn't a smaller amount of real money be better in this case?

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MaryKateBurnett MaryKateBurnett

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The spending potential would be the same...

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Is this a reference to the alleged Iranian assassination plot for the Saudi Arabian ambassador to America? If so LOL

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SpearmintMilk SpearmintMilk

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It is a very heavily veiled reference to this event yes. LOL.

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I never said our armies don't kill civilians. I said that they don't TARGET civilians. And unless you have actual proof to the contrary then don't bother. It annoys me when people read a couple articles on the internet and think they know the "real truth" about how the US Army operates.
And no...he was never declared a terrorist by the US. So by our standards, he was not a terrorist.

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runnerdude runnerdude

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That's exactly my point, a terrorist is defined by the USA, it's a political word. Nelson Mandela WAS a terrorist in the technical sense, but the USA decides who is a terrorist and who is not based on how they fit into their political scope.

I study War at King's College London, I'm not basing this on stuff I've read on the internet. Try Lawrence Freedman, Theo Farrell, Brian Holden Reid, etc. I'm not going to dig into Vietnam to find an example for you, I don't need to persuade you, you are clearly resistant to anything but what you've been told on CBS. War is nasty, and all actors act very unpleasantly, there is no good war, and any war the USA fights is one they don't need to fight.

It annoys me when American teenagers get butthurt when someone suggests that the country they belong to is not the shining beacon of human civilisation that they think it is. I love America, I live here at the moment and its great, but the US government acts in such a standard, imperial manner, and this is not a good manner, in my opinion.

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Sure they do, they do it by bombing "strategically important sites" that need not be military sites, bridges, municipal buildings, hospitals occasionally. This is legal under international law, and civilians are inside those buildings. There's rarely anything strategically important about a town hall, but if you bomb it and kill some civilians you press your point pretty hard to the rest. Its a nice way of avoiding responsibility.

And Nelson Mandela was a terrorist by US standards. The thing that absolves him is that he was fighting for a good cause, but we are the ones who judge what is good or not, its very subjective, so in this way countless terrorists are viewed as freedom fighters rather than terrorists.

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I disagree with that. Fear is easier to earn, but not to wield. If people fear you, sooner or later you're going to have a revolution on your hands. He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

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Yeah, this is why it's a bad tactic, it doesn't mean the USA didn't use it. Vietnam...

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But his intention isn't to kill civilians. It's collateral damage. Osama's objective was to kill civilians.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

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Armies constantly target civilian structures as part of a war effort, when they do so they know that civilians will die, and until VERY recently this has been considered as both acceptable and desirable in war, as fear is a lot easier to wield than respect.

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You may consider my arguement anything you like but it does not change the validity of my point.
They are terrorists by our definition and theirs.
And I haven't heard about this so I have to ask; was it proved that the US did it? Did the president state in a speech that he ordered the assassination? Or is it a lot of inconclusive evidence being taken out of context.

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It is essentially proven that in 1985 Ronald Reagan had the Panamanian president assassinated. He never announced this formally, nor did he apologise for it but it is considered a sound historical fact.

My problem with terrorism is that by definition it is something that almost all armies have carried out throughout history, purposeful attacks on civilians with the intent of generating fear. Only, when done by an army it is viewed as legitimate, whereas when done by a non-state organisation for whatever means, just or unjust it becomes terrorism.

Did you know for example that Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist, and was jailed due to his links to a bomb attack on an elementary school?

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I do agree that it is very wise to look at an argument from both sides but I dont think you're correct. The main thing you're forgetting is that the US can NOT assassinate the leaders of other countries. It's against our law. Also, al quaeda is a terrorist group more than a political one.

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As soon as I hear "terrorist" I consider an argument lost. If you do any detailed reading into the subject you see that terrorist is just a brush used to paint your enemies, like "heretic" was in the middle ages.

The USA assassinated the president of Panama in 1985, its illegal sure, but who's going to challenge them?

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I disagree. But I'd like to hear your reasoning

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runnerdude runnerdude

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Earlier this week an attempted assassination of the Saudi Ambassador to the USA was uncovered. The attempt was linked to the Iranian government who openly oppose both the USA and the Saudi government for their involvement in the Middle East.

The Saudi government has a history of human rights abuses, they operate a heavily conservative Islamic state that is seen by many to be oppressive and backwards. The USA has a very close relationship to a state which is not dissimilar to Taliban Afghanistan or Iran itself in its behaviour.

So my point is that people get mixed up with Real Politik and idealism, Osama's assassination was an act of Real Politik, that is, ruthless and strategic operation in order to secure one's goals - yet it was viewed as an idealist triumph over evil. In this way, Iran has been demonised in reverse for attempting something very similar, however not in correspondence with our set of views as people living within the American sphere of thought.

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I disagree. But I'd like to hear your reasoning

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runnerdude runnerdude

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Ok, so its difficult for me to talk about these things to people who are firmly embedded in the American world view. I am not suggesting that these people are ignorant, because this view is immensely pervasive, and it affects thought processes at every level.

I'm referring broadly to Obama's political assassinations of senior Al Qaeda members. I don't pretend to support the politics or tactics used by Al Qaeda, but it must be recognised that they are a political body, with clear aims that enjoy a level of legitimacy in parts of the world. The western reaction to these killings was jubilation, especially to Osama bin Laden, as he was such a hated character due to his alleged orchestration of the 9/11 terror attacks.

I personally feel that this reaction is unsavoury, that by responding with happiness at another's death we lower ourselves morally. This is the sort of reaction that we look upon with disgust when it goes on in the Middle East, and it is no different for us. There is no clear cut good guy/bad guy, and a human life is equal to a human life regardless of character.

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I was overjoyed when Osama was killed, as was 99% of America. And probably 85% of the world. I think they should have strung him up like they did Mussolini. His death bettered the world. He was a sick, crazy, evil ****.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

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You have no authority to issue those statistics. I would be surprised if 85% of the world cared one way or another about Osama Bin Laden, in lots of places he was viewed as a troubled visionary, Yemen, for example.

This is clearly just a fundamental point of departure between our philosophies. I believe that killing a murderer brings some of their crime onto you, for you are choosing to continue killing where killing needn't be.

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Yes, killing a murderer is just, as is cheering when they are killed. And I know that the Saudi government is responsible for murder and oppression. Believe me, I've been in many arguments about middle eastern governments being too strict in their application of Islamic laws. If it were up to me, I'd toss all of them out and put moderate, reasonable people in charge, not people that whip women for showing their wrists. Al Qaeda may have political goals and kill to accomplish them, but they kill people that are innocent in those matters. If they wanted to get something done, they should target people that are in positions of power. Not civilians.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

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I don't support Al Qaeda's politics nor do I condone their behaviour. I was simply pointing out that they have purpose in their killing.

I would say that any death, no matter how bad a person, is a negative thing, and should be viewed as such. I was not happy when Osama died, especially since there was an opportunity for him to be captured.

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Well...of course we get cheers. The people we assassinate are murderers, and they kill for the sake of killing.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

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Number one; is killing a murderer just?
Number two; if you knew anything about Saudi politics you would realise that the Saudi government is guilty of far more murder and oppression than Al Qaeda, yet they receive direct support and funding from the USA.
Number three; is it ever right to cheer someone's death?
Number four; Al Qaeda do not kill for the sake of killing, they have clear political goals, however unsavoury. They kill because they believe that this helps further their goals.

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America didn't assassinate Saddam Hussein, Iraq was the one who killed him. And Osama Bin Laden wasn't really a political figure since he wasn't in any type of political office. I can't really think of who else you could be talking about off the top of my head...

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soberlikekesha soberlikekesha

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Is a political office necessary to be a political figure? I would say that MLK was a pretty political figure...

Also, the USA assassinated the president of Panama in 1981, just as an example of one of the many assassinations carried out by the US government.

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But that's not really good enough for Israel (and I'm not exactly sure how religious the Palestinians are, but I assume they want this too) They want to live by the code of their religion, and have the government run according to that religion. They want a theocracy. And Jews living under the same government as Arabs can never be a theocracy. But I agree that they picked a horrible place to settle. They're surrounded by people that hate them! And yes, they have gone about it the wrong way by throwing people out of their homes, but that is the only place that I see Israel being at fault. Everything else they've done is in retaliation to Arab attacks. The Arabs should realize by now that Israel is 100X stronger than they are, and that lobbing rockets into their cities does nothing but piss them off. If the Palestinians want their homeland back, they need to do it without violence. And they had a chance to a little while ago, but they said no because Jerusalem wasn't in the deal. They turn it down when Israel tries to make peace, and then complain that they aren't being treated fairly.

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We are starting to agree, but theocracy is a terrible idea no matter who's religion is in question. The Palestinian mandate used to very liberal and cosmopolitain, but they have grown more extreme due to their circumstances.

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Well where are they supposed to go if not where they are now? They were promised a homeland by England, and they got it. And they've been trying to live there for the last hundred years, and they had boundaries drawn up (the green line) and then the Arabs attacked them and got their asses kicked in the six day war. Israel did not fire the first shot. The Arabs obviously aren't going to stop attacking them, so they can't stop either.

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Israel is an example of failure of idealism over realism. The ideal is that the jews, who have been beaten on for centuries have a place to live in peace, the reality is that this involved pushing people out of their homes and leaving a very unpopular state amongst enemies.

Honestly, somewhere like the USA would have been perfect, they obviously wouldn't have had (or needed) a religious state, they could live in their own communities but still participate in the local culture. I really don't want to come across like I have no sympathy for the jews, I do, I just wish that people could give the same treatment to the Palestinians and work towards a solution that is better suited to both parties. (A single secular state where both can live as they wish).

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The Palestineans don't just want Israel gone because they took ther land, they also hate them because they're Jews. The same reason that everyone else hates Israel. And no, Israel isn't justified in turning off the water. Im not defending them there. And seriously, do you have a link to all this annexation and statehood and negotiation business?

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This may be true for some, its impossible to generalise, however even if it is true, the Jews do not have a "get out of jail free card" because of centuries of maltreatment and the holocaust. I support a Jewish homeland, but if its realisation creates a very similar problem to what it is supposed to be solving (millions displaced, discriminated against etc), then its hardly a success.

I don't hate Israel, I hate the Israeli government.

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Israel isn't on a mission to destroy the Palestinians, the Palestineans are on a mission to destroy them. Along with a lot of other people that are near Israel. Israel doesn't attack unless provoked. The Palestineans are the ones launching rockets, and Israel responds with blockades and military action. Then the Palestineans go off and do it again.

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Ok I couldn't bear it.

"Israel isn't on a mission to destroy the Palestinians" Yet they build a state on top of an existing culture then forced the inhabitants out, then threaten to annex said state if they are legally granted statehood by the world's ONLY global authority.

"the Palestineans are on a mission to destroy them" Some yes, if someone invaded England, made it a religious state and forced me to move to Scotland I'd be pissed, and would probably want that state destroyed. Mind you, the majority of both Israelis and Palestinians don't care how the conflict ends, as long as it does.

"Israel doesn't attack unless provoked" This is the official statement issued by the IDF, this does not equate it to the truth. If Hamas fire a rocket into Israel and kill some people, does this justify the Israelis turning off the water supply to a Gaza refugee camp?

"Then the Palestineans go off and do it again." Yeah, its called a war of survival. Just like the Vietnamese "went off and did it again", and the French "went off and did it again" in WWII, etc etc. All of these are unrelated conflicts, but the principle remains.

Please do some contrapuntal reading

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I just wanna make it clear that I wasn't making a a political statement or anything, it was just a joke.

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Oh yeah, I got that, the comment was just clarification in general

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