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This topic has gotten way off base. Somebody define "Normal".

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(return of Anonymous): Thats the funny thing, there is no straight 'normal' everybody is different, and yet some differences are acceptable (hair/eye color, height, most behaviors etc) and some are not (habit of murdering raping etc) so it really depends on where you lay the line between these two. It started out with gay being completely on the unacceptable side, but is being slowly pushed over, it doesn't seem bad right? only a small change... and yet I wonder what will follow... **** with animals, every argument applied to gays could be applied to people who supposedly are attracted to various animals... I don't want to imagine what this will lead to. We have enough STD's with our currently amount of sexual immorality, why do we want more?

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Well coming from an agnostic, I don't believe in sin. So having feelings for someone of the same **** is NOT a bad thing at all. It's a form of racism and it makes people look ignorant. That's just my opinion. And @29523 whether the world is over populated or not, murder is wrong and there are not enough murders to even make a significant impact on the population. And @29116 I said homosexuality was a NORMAL thing throughout time. Yea sure murder has always existed but it was never a normal thing. There is no comparison for homosexuality and murder.

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But you were saying homosexuality was normal because it had existed for a long time, I pointed out this could not be right, so now your saying its normal because you said so? Sorry, gonna need something more than that. And I do agree, it does come down to what you believe in, which viewpoint your coming from, as I have talked about below.

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I think Osama is still alive. Heard about him on the news a few days ago. He WOULD be great at Hide and Seek, as I read in a previous post.

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Hmmm alright then, I might need confirmation of that, pretty hard to fake a hanging

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No. I am saying this war could've been spolved alot earlier in a peaceful way, but this war is stretching very far. 9 years so far, and what is the cause? Most people have forgotten what we are fighting for. This isn't about protecting America anymore, it's about retalliation. Fighting back, which we learned in middle school was wrong. I am saying our government is probably heading into a nuke war, for we have many other countries to deal with. Our President should deal with the problem face-to-face, instead of being a wuss killing innocent people, haveing Americans do the dirty work. Our troops were supposed to retreat last summer, be called back, but that never happened. We should just send people out to find Osama Bin Laden. My father pointed out that sounded ALOT like Obama and Biden. hey aren't thinking, what would be a peaceful way tto end this war?

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erm... I was under the impression Osama Bin Laden was dead... or was that some1 else they hung? And I think the Taliban have no intentions of being peaceful, so in the beginning that wasn't possible, and once you've got peace, its hard to leave again knowing it will go back to war as soon as you've gone, I think thats what is keeping the troops there. And unfortunately I don't believe there is any way of making the Taliban peaceful. But as I said before, no point complaining, things aren't good enough aye? Then DO something about it =) The world will never advance unless people Do things about what they think isn't right.

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Personally I don't think you need a piece of paper if you love someone. Paper is a contract and so many of those have been broken either being religous or not.
In my opinion it's just harder to seperate with the marraige license and probably for the sake of the kids.
A ton of people live with each other without a binding paper and are happy. That is true love.

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true love does not rely on being married, or not being married. Marriage is just a public declaration of it, and a commitment to stay with each other 'until death do us part' and yes, as with pretty much everything else, people have managed to screw it up, with the divorce rates, divorce was originally illegal, it certainly needs to be made harder.

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oh dear god, that is the most ridiculous and ignorant thing i've ever heard.

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I meant if we just get into a nuke war, that just shows how great our government is. This war could've ended years ago.

And, like I said, I wasn't sure if there was or wasn't that line. I never got far into the bible.

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as in, if we got into a nuke war, it would prove government is crap? Or are you saying we should get into a nuke war and blow up half the world?

And ok, I assure you its in there, might take me awhile to find exactly where again though, but I can if you like.

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As for solar panels, check this out: http://www.archi-ninja.com/the-...-solar-panels/ I have no sources to back up this picture, but it is still a cool concept.

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I do agree with pollution, i don't like it, but more in a "oh crap, this is making life on earth worse" way rather than "HOLY CRAP THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY LIFE ON EARTH ENTIRELY" kinda thing. Hmmm fusion does seem better, and with the lasers it would be good, however I'm still very sceptical about creating such a permanent waste, if everything goes fission... thats a lot of waste... but I think I would need to know more about natural radioactive levels to judge, as uranium must still be radioactive before being mined? or maybe it stablilises, like other ores do with oxidation with the ground... that could be good to research... not sure really.

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So, you have to go through some kind of abuse in order to be gay? There are lesbians at my school who ahven't been through abuse, or at least don't act like it, and they don't hate guys. Same with males, I have seen gay males and they hang out with women. I think it may be ONE cause, but I do think homosexuality is natural.

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Most people won't act liek it, it seems human nature is to hide pain. Now I'm not saying these are the ony ways, I've unfortunately never had a chance to talk to a gay person to really figure it out, these are just two more common theories, which make sense, I have not fully explained them here, you might want to look it up. Apart from that, you could be gay by choice, seems odd that you would want to, especially for guys, but I have no doubt some school students want to be different or some such thing, and decide to get it on with other girls, that at least, fits my image of some types of teens. Obviously every case is different, so its hard to generalize, but every case seems to be affected, its pretty obvious in the human anatomy, there is a hole, and a perfect thing to fill it, with the biological functions in both for reproduction... like a plug and a socket, its pretty obvious the way things are meant to be.

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Well, we need to stop arguing how gays become gay (lol, that's off topic for this post.) and start discussing the topic at hand. God made Adam and Eve so we could repopulate. I don't believe it says anywhere in the Bible that marriage is only for man and women, but if it doesn, I don't know. Government should not be keeping two people from eachother.

And, if our government would be doing a good job. we wouldn't be in a war right now. I'd say we should just nuke them, because as proven by previous events, this war is going nowhere. I don't give a crap if they nuke us, because that would just proovre government has gotten us nowhere.

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Umm the bible does say something along the lines of a man should not lie with another man, as he does with a woman, so basically men loving other men is fine (father - son etc)just not romantically. And Government doesn't keep two people from each other, it just puts it foot down somewhere, stopping what is considered immorality. If it didn't do this, people could eventually legalise doing all kinds of thing, it seems such a small step and yet it opens the door for the next step... In Sweden I beleive they are up to debating whether you can kill babies in the (4th?) term, these are fully functional human beings, so the question is, where will we finally put our foot down?

You wouldn't mind being dead, just so you could criticize the government? And I agree, the government isn't doing a perfect job, however they are better than a dictator, so if you want it improved do something about it, complaining is pointless, we have the best of what is currently available.

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Well, I BELIEVE people are born gay. You can't just wake up one day and say, "I'M GAY!", it's just like how the male hormones lead us to woman, while their hormones lead them to liking other men. It's just a matter of what their brain is telling them is correct.

And, on the subject of government, we just need to elect the right people.

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ok, well thats nice, you belief is unconvincing, sorry lol =). And no, not overnight, but over time, often childhood, and I don't think hormones make you like woman, they simply effect how, and what, you grow, and possibly fire up your **** drive, I don't think that is discriminatory between women and men. Its just what they brain has been trained to find exciting.

As for government, power corrupts evryone, some people are better, but no1 is great, we need to introduce the servant leader, the President should get paid a janitors wage, have no benefits, and no other power, therefore the only reason you would want to be president is to help the world, and therefore you would get the right people, with the right intentions, who would stay doing the right thing, until they get tired of it, and pass it on =)

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I do agree. Hydrogen production needs more research. Current methods do not yield nearly enough product to replace gasoline at current demand levels. Also, I think we should go to more nuclear, wind, solar, and eventually fusion power plants. This would cut back on pollutants from the burning of fossil fuels while producing the power to produce hydrogen. As for battery powered cars, the lithium required does not just appear out of thin air. It has to be mined, often from very diluted sources spread out across large areas. To keep up with predicted battery demand, large areas of land would have to be mined, doing irreparable damage to certain environments.

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So with enough of this, it will become normal to be around 'insignificant' amount of radioactivity constantly... you can just imagine what thats going to do to cancer rates, even insignificant amounts do have some effect. So I'm all for wind and water, not sure about fusion... I do remember some of it, its like nuclear backwards, but I can't remember if it produces radioactive waste, if it does, then it has the same problem as nuclear. I wonder though, what covering the Australian outback with solar panels would do towards world energy problems...

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I do agree. Hydrogen production needs more research. Current methods do not yield nearly enough product to replace gasoline at current demand levels. Also, I think we should go to more nuclear, wind, solar, and eventually fusion power plants. This would cut back on pollutants from the burning of fossil fuels while producing the power to produce hydrogen. As for battery powered cars, the lithium required does not just appear out of thin air. It has to be mined, often from very diluted sources spread out across large areas. To keep up with predicted battery demand, large areas of land would have to be mined, doing irreparable damage to certain environments.

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Hmmm yes, hydrogen technology needs advancing. However I am of the opinion that Global warming doesn't exist, not in the way they say, it has been proven in court that Al Gore's stats were skewed, the earth is (or was) warming, and then it cools, and then it warms... so its a bit like everyone running around screaming that its summer so we are going to die... I think global warming is simply a larger cycle. So based on that, pollution doesn't bother me greatly, its still not good, but its not going to kill the world, however I'm still against using fossil fuels for everything, simply because when they do eventually run out, we are going to be royally screwed... So I am against nuclear just as much, since this has similiar lasting effects, radioactive waste has a parabolic decrease of radioactivity, so it never stops being radioactive, it can only become little enough to be 'insignificant'.

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My reasoning is why get married if you don't want kids. And if you want kids why wouldn't you want them from your own DNA? You can't do that with same ****. Sorry if that sounds absurd.
I'll tell you, if I didn't want kids I wouldn't get married. The benefits of being married kill you in more ways than one than just being single.

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Sorry, I don't think were on the same page here... your saying you should only get married if you want kids? And I'm saying that whether homosexuality is right or not depends on which religious viewpoint is correct. Like I said, Different Page. Though in regards to your arguement, love is usually enough reason to get married, its not all about reproducing, its agreeing to spend and share your life with a person, making you both happier.

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But, should the government really control us THAT much, control our personal decisions? If people want to be gay, allow them to! If they want to marry or adopt, allow them to! Don't limit their love life because of THEIR CHOICE. But, sometimes people ARE born gay/lesbian. But, it doesn't MATTER how, it just matters that they are.

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Well then the question is simply, do we want a government to exist? there is another option, anarchy, however I think it is beneficial to have some kind of rule, and that means making rules, and trying to keep the country going in the right direction, and that means deciding which direction is right. And I'm sorry, but you'll need something more than saying so to prove people are born gay, it simply doesn't make sense.

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It has nothing to do with religion. There has always been a fine line between what is right or wrong, acceptable or not. You blame being things against you homosexuality against religion but even atheists have the same feelings.
I'm so glad you found a book that pits your personality against religion. Sounds like you're against religion. Hmmm......now who's prejudiced?

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Actually I'm a Christian =) My point was, with religion you have an absolute right or wrong, a foundation for which to base things on. Without riligion there is no base, so there is no right or wrong, just what people think, all trtuh becomes relative, and therefor they could honestly say, with all the good intentions in the world, that homosexuality is fine. So we could argue all day over it, but the main point is where do our viewpoints come from, and which one should we listen to, and thats where it comes to religion.

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I's sorry, but it is natural. People are born liking the opposite **, just as some people are born liking the same . It's not much of a choice. You can't just decide to be gay or lesbian or bi, you are born liking either the opposing or same . I'm not trying to be mean, but if we have rights just because we like the opposite **, then our government is even stupider than I imagined. Homosexuals are humans, just like us, and if they live in America, they should have the same rights. What happened to "All men were created equal."? If we aren't going to go by that, we need to change it and put the specifications in.

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I think this is a main point, gay people aren't born gay, its a choice, sometimes they are influenced, but its a decision by the brain, and they can decide to become heterosexual again,if they have the determination and will-power to do so. I believe Homosexuals do have the same rights as the rest of us, healthcare, protection by law, the only thing they don't have is support of gayness, such as gay marriage. So basically government doesn't want to promote this, as obviously they are still attached to their foundation enough to object to gayness. Although the way things are going it won't be too long before they have lost all foundation, and gay marriage and abortion and such will be legalized.

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Her name scared me, mainly because my friends and I were once randomly discussing a creature that made a similar noise,ours was MooOinkRuff! (Cow crossed with Pig crossed with Dog) I was also very scared that on MLIA some1 got the name Condescending Carrot before me... I still find it hard to believe that some1 else in the world also came up with that...

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Not true. Catholicism frowns on both.

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All types of Christianity do. It comes from Jesus talking about committing adultery in your mind being as bad as doing it, therefore **** and even fantasizing are out. Taken the full length to fully-baked Christian-ness, that means getting sexual gratification only from your wife, so looking hot chicks up and down is out as well, though I don't think 99% of guys are good enough to keep up with that one.

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Yeah basically. Western religions = the main ones practiced in the 'western' world, i.e. Europe & N. America, so Judeo-Christian; eastern=Islam/Buddhist/Hindi (Arabia, Asia, India)

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I was about to call the only western religion Christianity... but then I realized it came from Israel also... I don't think there are any real western religions... maybe Cherokee gods? or whatever the Stonehenge was built to? though I guess 'Western' usually means modern day western civilization, in which case Christianity and Atheism would be the only ones, Hindus, Buddhists and Islamics are usually only immigrants from those countries, haven't really taken off here

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I think they're more pro-don't-do-anything. It's not like if you're not having **** you have to masturbate.

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I apologize on behalf of all my Christian brothers, none us us are perfect, although unfortunately some like to try to act like it, you existence doesn't bother me, but I'd love to talk to you about what you believe sometime =)

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they are both electricity based, batterys just carry it straight whilst hydrogen cars create it, hydrogen can be more useful because it can be pumped instead of having to charge, but, it takes more electricity to sperate the hydrogen and oxygen that it gives off then they come back together, so really its just another storage of energy, which isn't effective either, and all this energy comes from fossil fuels in the first place... whats the difference between a car burning fossil fuel, and a electricity plant doing it to make electricity? Very little.

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