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In my limited experience I tend to agree. In my even more limited understanding of the accepted prophets (Mohammad and Jesus) I find them to be close to the ideal you seek - altruistic theists - more concerned with others then themselves. Too bad many of their followers don't get that.

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VicZinc VicZinc

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Completely agree with that... Had to look up altruistic first though :P

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Actually I heard that it's not possible for us to make anything up, rather put together ideas from past experiences and whatnot.

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Igor Igor

Real gangsters wear suits. Now pull up your pants, and stop thinking you're so cool, <strong>amirite?</strong>

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Well, I think there is a difference between Gangsta and Gangster. I always though "Gangstas" or "G's" sag their pants because they usually have guns in their pockets weighing down their pants. That is less true nowadays, but back when being a thug was a true lifestyle, I am almost sure that was the reason.

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Skr3wBall Skr3wBall

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How does carrying a gun on you weigh down your pants enough to make them sag?

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Igor Igor

The apple can indeed fall far from the tree, <strong>amirite?</strong>

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That apple didn't fall far. It fell directly below the tree, then because of other forces it was moved to another area.

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Would you like me to draw a tree on the very edge of a very high cliff with a drop off and have the apple fall down that drop off?

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I agree. That's why I think it was a generalization to say that all sins are worth death if you're Christian.

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My mistake then. As for your question as a human it is hard to imagine that for a little lie I am worthy to die and go to hell. However in the Bible it says we are to strive to be perfect like Him, so it's not like we will ever be perfect but bit by bit day by day we work on our imperfections to get rid of them. That's why I think Christianity is not just a go to church once a week type thing but a whole life-long process.

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But would you say that some sin is worse than other sin?
And all are free to interpret the bible as they wish. Perhaps is was not intended to be interpreted literally, perhaps it was. We will never surely know.

"Believing in the bible" is different from "believing the bible". The former pertains to believing in the morals taught by it, and the latter is suggestive of directly believing every event in it occurred, and every word is the truth.

You believe the bible, and other Christians believe in it. Both are still Christian.

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I suppose that's why there are so many denominations agreed?

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But would you say that some sin is worse than other sin?
And all are free to interpret the bible as they wish. Perhaps is was not intended to be interpreted literally, perhaps it was. We will never surely know.

"Believing in the bible" is different from "believing the bible". The former pertains to believing in the morals taught by it, and the latter is suggestive of directly believing every event in it occurred, and every word is the truth.

You believe the bible, and other Christians believe in it. Both are still Christian.

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Watchful_questioneer Watchful_questioneer

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New Living Translation (©2007)
Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.
In our eyes yes some are worse than others, thus harsher penalties for bigger crimes. In the eyes of God however, all sins are equal and punishable by death.

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That's a generalization. Not all Christians believe such a thing. And what if someone needs to sin to save someone's life? Do they deserve death?

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Watchful_questioneer Watchful_questioneer

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Well I think that if someone reads the Bible and believes in it then they will agree with what it says, the punishment of sin is death. As for someone sinning to save another's life a sin is a sin. If you saved someone's life by killing another man's life you would still be convicted for murder (if you cannot prove that someone's life was in jeopardy that is). I'm not saying that you'll go straight to hell for it but like a said it is a sin no matter how you put it.

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That's ridiculous. What about those not even born yet? Surely they have not sinned yet, but they still die. And what of those whose deaths are more cruel than deserving for their sins? Not all sins are worth death, you know.

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Watchful_questioneer Watchful_questioneer

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They are if you're a Christian

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I have a somewhat unrelated question that I'd like to ask (which I hope isn't completely cliche to the point of you being sick of hearing it):

Do you believe the world is a fair place? Do you see that there are people who have to suffer for no good reason?
How is that not contradictory of God to "love all people" and then to allow innocent, loving people to die painfully and horribly every day?

I'd understand if you wouldn't really have an answer for that, and that you aren't a perfect representative of God's will. I won't hold anything against any religion for how you answer, if you do.

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For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (Romans 3:23 NKJV)
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23 NKJV)
From these two passages we can conclude that no one is indeed "innocent" and therefore deserve death, meaning we are at the mercy of God.

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The original Hebrew word used for Satan means "the deceiver" or "the adversary". He specifically opposes mankind, but in the context of the Old Testament he isn't "evil" since he still serves God and even had to be given permission to test Job. Christianity has turned him into a dark deity and some people seem to hold him as an anti-thesis to God that is his direct opposition (even though the very belief that a Devil could oppose God as an equal is basically heresy).

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I agree with most of this, except that he serves God. How is it that killing Job's family serving God? God did not command him to do that, neither did He convince him to trick Eve into disobeying God. At what point of I may ask does he turn evil?

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But Satan isn't a controlling power. His knowledge of the legitimacy of Job's faith serves him no purpose since he's simply an angel. God could have just said "Yep, he's for realzies." and since God said it then it's true and everyone could have moved on.

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I didn't even read your comment all the way. You said that Satan was just an angel? Not true. He didn't become "evil" as soon as we transitioned to the old testament, he was thrown out from heaven in the first couple chapters of the Bible.

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I like the one where God lets an angel kill Job's family to prove he's truly faithful, even though since he's God he would already know whether or not Job was legitimate.

(And for anyone who doesn't know, the story is Old Testament therefore the "Satan" the story mentions isn't the evil one in Christianity. He's simply an angel that tests mankind.)

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Obviously He knew. Satan however did not... Therefore the "proving" part.

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He's overly-religious on the field. I'm not saying you should, but people do.

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Why is he overly religious? Because he prays before a game? That's completely normal and he's certainly not the only one who does so.

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What makes you possibly think that Aliens are smart? You have no basis for that statement at all. What most scientists believe to be the actual aliens at this point as just micro-bacteria living on far away planets that I can assure you are not very smart.

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I don't think that micro-bacteria is very prone to attack us... Rather intelligent beings if they exist.

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I suppose. I can call myself the president of America, doesn't mean I am.

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