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Ender's Game? This post made me think of that. Although in the book it's more of a training exercise even though they treat it like a sport.

Great series by orson scott card. If you enjoy reading novels and haven't read it i recommend you at least take a looksee

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you, my friend, are thinking of agnosticism. There isn't any support that a random chain of chemical reactions created life either, in case you were wondering.

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Pedo_Cat Pedo_Cat

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Atheism has nothing to do with a person's belief on how the universe or life began, other than to say that it wasn't magic. And the support for that assertion stems from everything we've learned in the last 500 years.

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The first amendment required not qualifiers. Why did the second? If they meant as you say, it would have simply stated "Congress shall make no law prohibiting the rights of citizens to bear arms." or the like. They added "well-regulated militia" to indicate that these were the "people" that the amendment was referring to.

Even if I'm wrong, it's pretty clear that it's not as clear as you seem to think.

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bezoarus bezoarus

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"it's pretty clear that it's not clear "
Indeed and touché.

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Looking at it from a non-bias point of view:
-The only thing that is certain is that no one really knows for sure what the **** is going on
-religious people believe they have an idea...I.E a god
-atheists believe that shit happens
-at the end of the day....both parties believe they know more than the general population. Atheism is like the SAT's, to first score a 0 one must know all the right answers. Therefore to claim that believing in nothing isn't a form of belief is contradictory to logic.

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Pedo_Cat Pedo_Cat

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Atheism is a rejection of religious faith. Not a belief in itself.

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That would not have solved anything. It's the system that's corrupt; remove the leaders and new ones will be elected to replace them.

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Yea. I guess it is...

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bezoarus bezoarus

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Re-read what I wrote, and I think it could be taken the wrong way . I was going for more sarcastic on the second line. It should have been R.

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I've been able to reason with those who are religious and with those who are non-religious

I've also faced instances where I wasn't able to reason with those who are religious and with those who are non-religious

in short, reasonable and unreasonable people exist in both of those groups

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fuzala fuzala

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I agree that "reasonable and unreasonable people exist in both of those groups" I find that I have difficulty reasoning with anyone who thinks that "faith" is a valid argument, To me, a faith based argument is equivalent to saying "because I said so."

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Religion is the greatest force for division in the world

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

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I agree, but it can also be a force for good. Depends on who the person is. Completely subjective.

But, whether religion is good or bad isn't relevant. This is asking whether or not it's useful. And honestly, it's not. Morality exists without religion. Charity exists without religion. War exists without religion. Greed. Murder. Love. Kindness.

Religion, I believe, isn't as big of a deal as the person. People compromise religion to fit their own personal morals. The part in the Bible about women being totally submissive? Nah. Most people don't follow that. No premarital ****? We can just ignore that. No gay rights? These are changing times!

I agree with you, I'm just following up that religion, really, isn't USEFUL in that it doesn't contribute to what hasn't already existed.

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I've been able to reason with those who are religious and with those who are non-religious

I've also faced instances where I wasn't able to reason with those who are religious and with those who are non-religious

in short, reasonable and unreasonable people exist in both of those groups

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fuzala fuzala

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I give you credit for always "fighting the good fight" when it comes to religion. Of course I seldom agree with you, but still I admire your dedication.

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"When it comes to **, big-time, major league , you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest ** story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money!" -George Carlin

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More people have been killed in the name of god than any other reason. Look at the crusades, or the current wars in the Middle East.

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I believe you're talking about "subjective" reality. Objective reality is the way things truly are. Subjective reality is an individual's interpretation of objective reality, and it is influenced by things like our perceptions, our cultures, etc...

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if a group of people commit some heinous crime and use religion when the religion does not advocate the crime, that would be an inaccurate representation of said religion

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fuzala fuzala

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Most of the people who commit violent acts in the name of their religion claim that their religion does support it; often that support comes from a different interpretation of their religion and its texts. Who's to say that their interpretation is so wrong? It could be just an alternate way of viewing the same material.

Any time someone commits a violent act, so-called "true" followers of the religion will say "our religion doesn't support that". But many times the doctrines of the religion can be construed to support such acts. If, for example, you have two religions and one religion says to kill non-believers, but "true" believers say that line is outdated, and the other religion says nothing of the sort; would it then be unreasonable to say that the first religion is more likely to breed violence than the other?

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Religion on amirite: "with this post, I'll save every Internet atheist ever!"

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How could you say that? Religion is great if you want to control people.

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if you look at my reply to Xavier right above your comment
I explain why I thought greed was a divider

And another thing is that some people merely say that they are doing it because of their beliefs, but their actions are actually because of their greed
I'm saying they use beliefs as an excuse or cover story

they follow the religion but people are people
they make mistakes

it's people that are causing the divisions
it's their greed

they can blame their faults on themselves

we have free will and in the end, our decisions are based on what we chose

we can try to blame it on religion, society, our parents, etc.
but it's still our decisions

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fuzala fuzala

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We're now going in a circle and this argument will never end.

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Science:
"Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."

Religion:
"The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods."

Belief and evidence aren't quite the same. At all, really.

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They cost time. It's easier to just push the **** in your way and move on rather than stopping, saying excuse me, waiting for her to move and then going ahead.

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Not sure what you mean by trivial novels, you can get meaning out of anything. If you need the meaning to be shoved into your face by 300 page speeches by the characters I guess not, but any novel can have a deeper meaning if you're willing to give it one.

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Courage_Wolf Courage_Wolf

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Obviously, anything can be meaningful for someone, including the most mundane of experiences. I don't think that's what the OP is implying, though "trivial" was probably too negative of a word. Nonetheless, novels that are purposefully written to have some kind of hidden allegorical meaning are a category unto themselves beyond a novel without any such purposeful meaning. It doesn't mean the novel can't be meaningful to you, but it might mean that the author didn't purposefully include such a "layer" to their story. After reading something like James Joyce's "Dubliners", I forgot for a while that not every story has purposeful symbolism in it. And every story doesn't need that. But there is something enticing about it, at least for me, and I think that may have been what the OP was thinking about.

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