+756 Okay, I get that you hate abortion, but that girl is 11 years old and was raped, she can't handle a baby physically, emotionally, or financially, give her a fucking break, amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I love you...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I love you...nah jk but yea this post is right!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Haha

by Anonymous 13 years ago

this is too true, its good to know people look at the other side of things before judging people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's so sad

by Anonymous 13 years ago

okay, but most pro-life people are against abortion as a means of birth control. a very very small amount of abortions are done because of rape or incest.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

lol incest

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Incest is hardly something to "lol" about.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, I was actually going to say that. I mean, I still think that it's killing a person, but I would cut that 11 year old some slack.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's called adoption.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not appropriate for the situation in this post, I think.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It handles the 'financially' part, at the least.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

that's not enough though. Plus, it's called a mother no matter how young becomes attached to a child. So that makes the emotional problem worse. And again, an 11 year old rarely has the resiliency or hips for pregnancy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

its called there is a good chance that physically while carrying the baby she wouldn't get proper nutrition nor the baby especially because the little girl is still growing....and shes already been through the horror of rape, you want another ten months to reinforce what happened?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What...are you high? She is eleven years old, how can she bear a child in her for 9 months? and then giving birth! And she and the baby/fetus could die of malnutrition so you would be killing the baby just because of your strong belief that abortion is bad, and im not saying it is, but an eleven year old pregnant to rape?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

an 11 would be physically incapable of birthing a baby anyway you dipshit. The baby would be fucked up in some way cus her body isnt fit

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Adoption; and on top of that, less than 1% of abortions are because of rape. That doesn't make abortion ok, but it does mean that people should stop using that as their one and only argument.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

rape and age are the only argument because, for the most part, you're right. and we're not gonna dispute that. i think that abortions should not be given to people that just forgot to use birth control and dont want to have a baby. yes, they can have the baby adopted. but abortions should be given to that 1%, especially without pro-life people protesting around them making them feel awful about it. abortions can't be completely illegal for that 1% but it should more strict for the other 99%

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I disagree that abortions should be given to that 1%. The wrong actions of one person (the rapist) should not cause the death of an innocent. Yes, rape is a horrible and wrong thing to do; however, it does not waiver the death of an unborn, innocent child. Should pro-life people give them hell for it? No. But we do recognize abortion as wrong, and as murder, regardless of the situation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

can you imagine an 11 year old carrying a baby and what that would do to her mental and physical health? im not saying its ok or that i would do that because of course its terrible to do, but can we really make that choice for them? the least we can do is let them decide.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Of course it's horrible for her. Does she deserve to go through that? No. Did she deserve to be raped? No. But does the baby that results deserve to be murdered in the first stages of his/her life because of what that rapist did to his/her mother? No. Two wrongs don't make a right; two wrongs make a dead baby and a psychologically and physically scarred mother. You know what? Abortion would scar an 11 year old, raped girl more than the rape would; knowing that not only had she been taken advantage of, but she had also taken the life of an innocent child? That's going to do far more damage than the first alone.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you know what? i agree with you. but i still think you can't make a decision for someone else while they're in that mentally fragile condition. i do agree with you and i've gotten into arguments about a lot of things on here and i don't feel like getting into it right now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

but it does mean that those who are raped should have a choice. Also, who the hell are you to say what would hurt more? Unless you are an 11 year old girl who has been raped twice, aborted one but took care of another, you can't say which would hurt more. You haven't the experience of knowledge to compare.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't need experience; if you've done any research at all, which it appears you haven't, you would know that abortion psychologically scars a woman more than rape does. On top of that, abortion leaves physical scars and can cause infertility. On top of THAT, at one point she is going to realize that by having an abortion, she has taken away a little child because of what happened to her, and that will hurt her more than the physical abuse she endured; I guarantee it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I highly doubt you've done research to that effect. And like I said, unless you yourself have had this happen to you, you don't know what would have hurt more.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, I HAVE done research in that area. :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And, she doesn't have to take care of the baby. ADOPTION. Other relatives. There are SO many freaking options as an alternative to murder.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Once again, since you obviously don't listen. A girl is bound to become attached to her child. So adoption is bound to hurt, if not be emotionally impossible for the girl.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So because the girl will become attached to the child, the child should just die in advance to spare her that pain? I don't think so. Also, yes adoption will hurt. But abortion will scar her more than you care to believe. It would be hard, but not impossible.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The girl could die in labor. Either way, someone dies. Adoption is not always an alternative to abortion. Abortion is wrong, but in the case of the one eleven-year-old girl mentioned in the post, it is the right choice for the unborn baby and the mother.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"It is the right choice for the unborn baby"? Or really? Did the child tell you that he would prefer not to live because of the stress he/she would cause for his/her mother? I highly doubt it. As in 100% doubt it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

thank. you. seriously, everytime i argue that abortion is in fact wrong, they're all like "what about rape!!!!"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also if that were true, there wouldn't be so many women who happen to disagree with you. Research NEVER outweighs experience. I'm not saying I have experience, but you obviously don't either. Get off your high horse and let women choose for themselves.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

what about it then? This guy is talking about the situation like a smartass, although it's obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about. If he can produce me a worldwide survey that shows a much larger percentage of women regretting abortion as opposed to having a child they didn't want, then I'll believe him.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That "smartass" being me? Actually, I'm a young woman, just an fyi. If you want good statistics, go to this website: http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/after_effects_of_abortion.asp. It will give you plenty of the percentages you so desperately desire. "So many women who happen to disagree with me"? You mean the few on this website who are arguing against me? Again, look at the website. Seriously. "Let women choose for themselves"? How about you let the child choose for his/herself whether he/she lives or dies? You know, everyone is whining about giving the woman a choice, when in reality you only want to give the person you can understand a choice. You can't understand that child or the life he/she might have lived. The term "choice" has such a one-sided definition here.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In addition to this, this whole situation we are discussing is so very rare to be such a large point of argument. Only 0.4% of all abortions (because of a rape) are for girls under the age of 15.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You are basically saying that everything deserves to live. Does that count your dad's sperm? All of it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Every child that is conceived, every life that has already begun to form, deserves life. A sperm is NOT a living, breathing, human child. Every *fertilized* sperm (zygote) that is forming a baby, yes, deserves to live.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What if it is endagering the life of the mother? What if the mother has to risk her life?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Does the baby still not deserve a chance? And also, there are options to prevent fatalities for the mother. C-sections, for example, and hormone shots can be used to help the baby develop faster for this operation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Do you think vegetarians should eat eggs?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about human children, if you're going to go into a spiel about other living things.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People who say abortion is only okay if it was rape/incest are a bit hypocritical though, because its not about the baby anymore. Then its only about the sex. A baby is not affected by how it was conceived.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The baby might grow up to feel like it was forced to be born, like its mother hated it, like it shouldn't be alive, like a burden, like a product of its mother's pain... Although that's just me guessing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're right, I didn't phrase that last sentence very well. I meant the baby won't be affected as in it will still be a normal person? Does that make sense? As in it won't be disabled or anything.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If it was incest, there's a chance that it could be disabled, but it's still not super likely. But yeah, I understand what you mean now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

but it might be disablaed growing inside a girl who won't get the proper care for it, and is still a child herself

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So because the baby might have a hard life, it doesn't deserve to be born?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I didn't mean it like that. It really depends on whether you value quality of life or a chance at a good quality of life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Doesn't matter which WE value more; the baby's life is not anyone's to take.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Neither is a girls virginity, social life, mental stability, financial stability, childhood. Tell that to the rapist why don't you? You seem to be forgetting that there are two sides to this issue.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Rape is most often not an occurence that can be prevented or forseen. YES, rape is wrong. We've established that. NO, the girl did not deserve that. We've also established that. However, abortion IS something that can be prevented; the murder of a child because of the rapist's actions?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What about the mother's pain though? Carry the offspring of the man who hurt her so badly? That child would have part of that person in it. That be EXTREMELY difficult to go through. I am actually very against abortion, but I feel in the case of rape of an eleven year old, she does deserve some slack. At eleven, the mind is still developing, with abortion, yes she would be scarred, but the time during the pregnancy could be what hurts her the most. I feel that maybe if the mother was older, maybe wait out the pregnancy, but at eleven?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The pregnancy be what hurts her the most, or grow up knowing that she killed a child?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I feel as if I agree with you in some way. Its almost impossible to decide unless you've been through the rape or child birth. It also would depend on if she could handle it emotionally.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

She would be able to handle it emotionally; I'm pretty sure that no girl has died of grief after giving her baby up for adoption.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

if abortion laws were stricter, people would just get illegal ones and put their own chance of dying way up. Just because you beleive it's wrong, you cant stop people doing it. And tbh, you'll never even begin to be able to understand it until you've been in that situation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you said it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're right. I believe the only acception for abortion are age and rape...maybe financial, but otherwise, I don't think it's a good idea.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If she can handle being raped she can handle giving birth and giving it away. (also two wrongs don't make a right.)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

when you know the physical and psychological agony of being raped, come back. Until then Siddown and shuddup. I STILL suffer to this day from rape.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

and you can still have a baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, actually, I can't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

sucks for you, but the hypothetical 11 year old obviously CAN so if a very mature (genetically) girl is capable of becoming prego, her body can handle the pregnancy. So it was obviously an asian who raped her.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

now you're just being a sterotyper and a prick.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Is it really such a good idea to post something about your being raped on the internet?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't really care . . . what are they going to do, come after me and rape me again for it? I'd like to see them try now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But if she CAN'T handle the birth, and it kills her, it will have taken her life, which isn't fair either. As she's so young that is more likely to happen.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

NO ONE IS GRASPING THE FACT THAT AN 11 YEAR OLDS BODY IS INCAPABLE OF HAVING A BABY, THE BABY WILL BE BORN PREMATURE OR FUCKED UP IN SOME WAY. MY MOM WORKS AT CHILDRENS HOSPITAL IN THE NICU

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"she can't handle the baby physically, emotionally or financially." I covered the physical and financial. Whether the victim has a baby or not is not going to change much of the emotion side.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

who says she was able to handle the rape?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

is she still alive?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who knows. and even if she is, handling it would have meant dealing with it. That means she can't be mentally or physically scarred afterward.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh my fucking god..... what the absolute fucking hell is WRONG WITH YOU?!?!? I would NEVER wish this upon anyone, but I actually hope you get raped because of that fucking idiotic comment. That may be the STUPIDEST and most disgusting thing anyone could ever say....... SHE IS FUCKING 11

by Anonymous 12 years ago

To the people who said she should give birth: She cannot physically handle a baby. If you were her age im pretty sure that you or your parents would not want to keep the baby. None of you have probably ever been in this situation before. What happens when the baby ask for his/her father? The child is only 11 so cut her some slack. She didnt go out and have sex. SHE GOT FUCKING RAPED. The baby shouldnt have to be her problem.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The baby shouldn't have to be her problem? It's a CHILD! You kill a child because of a man's wrong actions? That's SICK.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Embryo=/=person. Before eight weeks, it's not even a fetus. It's just a mass of cells without a heartbeat that doesn't even resemble a person. It would be like saying that that crushing a seed is the same as cutting down a tree.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Or saying vegetarians shouldn't eat eggs.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

^i agree with the person above. And really, I don't think abortion is wrong if you do it early enough. Like the person above me said, if you do it before it even has a heart beat. and if guys are saying "oh she can have the baby its not much worse than being raped" Child birth hurts like a motherfucker, more than you can imagine. I wouldn't put an 11 year old through that. Also, they would have to go to school for 9 months, being made fun of and even more emotionally scarred, plus after she will have scars that ALWAYS will remind her of the rape and the baby, so she will learn to hate herself and what she looks like.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Anyone who disagrees is forgetting some key things. The baby isn't the only life in question on the abortion issue An 11 year old CANNOT HANDLE CHILDBIRTH. Either the baby is born premature, F**ked up, or the girl dies during the procedure. That would push one life out for another one, that wouldn't even have a mother.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

but that is an eleven year old girl who has been RAPED. what about the ones who wanted to have sex but had gotten PREGNANT? they shouldnt be allow to abort since it was their choice. but the eleven year old girl has NO CHOICE BUT TO ABORT

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Murder > Rape. Just a thought.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

fetus isn't born yet, so its not murder

by Anonymous 13 years ago

oh damn, that argument? okay. well let me ask you; while a BABY is in the womb, at how many months do you consider it murder, and why?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

third trimester... or something like that. look, if the fetus can live outside of the mothers womb, its a baby and shouldn't be aborted

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a federal law that stipulates a child in the uterus is a legal victim. Abortion law states that abortions are permissible until a fetus becomes viable outside the womb and that a woman has the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy. Therefore why is it that any baby in the womb (when the mother is murdered) is considered a human, however when the mother chooses to end its life its legal and its no longer "a life"?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

^^^ This.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

because politicians are a bunch of stupid hypocrites.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

WOW I NEVER REALIZED JUST HOW MANY MURDERERS ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE, YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN THE RAPIST.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think that people who think that abortion is sometimes necassery, are not murders but realists.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People still aren't getting the point. You can choose what you think, but this post is about an ELEVEN YEAR OLD GIRL!! That means if she gets RAPED (11 years old for gods sake) you say "No you can't abort it. I don't care if you can't take care of it, and I don't care if you cant stand to give it away. I don't care if it kills you, you must put a child into this world you did not want!"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Good point.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@ 194253 (Fatty): who are you talking about/ what do you mean; "what is my question?"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Seriously, how could anyone disagree with this? This isn't talking about all abortion cases, but the case of an 11-year-old that got raped. This girl is ELEVEN, for god's sake. She doesn't have the body to handle being pregnant, she could very easily die during labor. Furthermore, even a grown woman who gets raped probably could not handle being reminded of her rape every single day with her pregnancy, let alone a little girl. The girl in this scenario had been through enough, and you're saying she has to go through the pain of pregnancy and childbirth, too? Also, the fetus isn't a person, and early enough, it's just a clump of cells. So you want to put a living, breathing human through even more psychological and physical damage than she's been through, to save... a clump of cells that isn't even conscious? That doesn't make much sense, does it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree, but as long as they can handle the child physically and can get the adopter if there is one to pay for it, or if they just decided they don't want a kid it's just wrong

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ah, controversy. Fun to read these little debates. Why are you people so against killing? I don't get that. I say let the girl decide. Her choice won't affect our lives at all, thus we should have no say in the matter, but it will affect hers dramatically. I wonder what those people who say to go through with it would do in her position. People will forever say it's wrong to kill, but is that less wrong than the consequences of choosing to go through with the birth?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"why are you people so against killing?" are you REALLY that inhumane that you have no problem with taking a life... honestly that's sick.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nah, that's the thing. I don't count a fetus as a life since it can't consciously think. Also, if I was the one doing the killing I would have feelings towards it of course, but since I'm not affected by it I don't really care.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Regardless of your beliefs, you asked why we are so against killing. Pro life or Pro choice, we can all agree the act of killing (taking a life) is bad. Maybe you phrased it wrong, but I certainly hope you do not enjoy "killing".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I bet you kill animals for food. I do it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People>animals. Animals were created for food. I don't kill animals out of fun, but because humans need to eat to survive. Sure, their are alternatives, but an animal life is not as valuable as a humans.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

all I am going to say is that no matter what abortion is wrong;it is killing a person;if you think killing your baby after you get raped is going to help you forget your wrong;it's going to make you feel worse;unless you are some sick twisted person. CHOOSE LIFE.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok imma stop this and say, " why the fuck would anyone care about some bunch of cells that will probably never have anything to do with you, if you think it's wrong then FINE don't get an abortion, that's it you don't need to bitch and moan about this when there are WAAAYbigger issues in the world"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Learn how to use proper grammar.

by Anonymous 12 years ago