The father should have some say, sure, but ultimately it's up to the woman and a willing doctor.
I agree that the dude should be informed but pretty much nobody else
Why do you think its such an easy choice for the mother?
Thank you, Hazlett. Anonymous, you're disgusting. You seriously think that all abortion is is murder? If the baby's DNA shows it will have serious medical and mental issues, and will come to a family with little financial stability, etc, then the only MORAL choice would be abortion. People are generally too selfish to adopt children with medical/mental issues.
I have a cousin who is mentally disabled and she loves life. She loves to cook and she loves people and being alive. Can you honestly tell me that in her mind she wished she was never born? why is it that people think mentally disabled people shouldn't live? And FYI it is VERY rare for a woman to get pregnant from rape. The woman's body tenses making it very difficult for her to conceive. Out of every abortion maybe 5% of them are due to rape
sorry, that's actually less than one percent
i think if the baby had the choice they would choose to live even with the medical or mental issues rather than never given the chance at all
I could have been aborted. There were pretty good circumstances. And personally? My motehr would be better off without me. I would support her decision, either way.
wow, you really dont care whether or not you were born... thats kind of sad
What's sad is that you're insulting my beleiefs, and projecting your own egotism on unborn children.
i wasn't trying to insult you i just know that if i was given the choice between living or not i would choose life and i find it sad that you dont think the same way (i really am sorry for insulting you, it was completely unintentional)
Really? Would people starving in the streets of an overpopulated city choose to live? Would children whose civil liberties are imposed upon mining cassiterite in the Democratic Republic of Congo choose to live? Maybe in a concumerist-based society where those who have enough money have great lives, everybody wants to live, but there is too much crap in the world to argue that abortion is immoral.
unintentional? what the hell? u cant say something like that and not mean it to be insulting maura u bitch
i know what i said was bitchy, but how it sounds and what i meant arent the same thing. i just meant that even though her life may have been easier, that doesn't mean it would have been better because im sure she loves you enough that its worth the hard times she had to go through. and i tend to post without thinking about how it will be taken and i am really sorry, i never should have said that because it was extremely rude and you are right
Its the woman's choice. Done. Rate this down, I don't care.
I voted it up. I think the man has some decision, but government should. not. get. involoved.
I don't think a man should have any say if abortion is "ok" or not. They have no idea what a woman goes through while pregnant, and they will never understand. It is indeed a woman's choice, and whatever she thinks is best for her, she should be able to choose. If a girl got raped by their father, do you think she should have to go through a pregnancy, or be able to get an abortion?
but its the mans child that is being aborted too, he should be able to have the choice to keep his son or daughter.
and its sad when a woman gets raped, but in most abortion cases the woman wasn't raped... and if they were, adoption is always an option
Not if the baby will have issues such as medical/mental issues. Most people will not adopt a chile like this.
either way, i think they'd rather be alive even with some problems than be killed before they had the chance to live (sorry i basically said the same thing above)
There are SO many instances where a girl is raped, or the father has AIDS and therefore gives the baby AIDS, or the baby is born with mental disabilities, and other things that would just be sad. Abortion is sometimes the safer and more logical way out of things.
so people with aids or mental disabilities dont deserve to have the chance to live?
They aren't people. They are fetuses. Past a certain number of weeks, women cannot get abortions. This is because of the developemental stages of the fetus.
yeah but within a few weeks if left alone it will be so i kind of think its the same thing
They aren't people; they're possibility. It could be argued that abstinence would be just as immoral.
They do, and it's the mother's and father's choice whether they think the baby should have to go through a life like that (mostly talking about AIDS here.)
Just because something is logical doesn't mean it's right.
Do you just think that if a person puts a aby up for adoption it will be adopted right away?
The baby will most likly be in that crowded foster home pr orphanage for years, and will probably jump from foster home to foster home.
Yes, because adoption is a perfect solution.
Being raped is a different story, abortion is just the easy way out of pregnancy.
you have no right to say it is the "easy way out for pregnancy" it is a difficult decision for a pregnant woman to make, you do not know the circumstances.
Maybe I don't know the circumstances, but as an american I do have a right to an opinion.
Easy way or not, it's not YOUR choice.
Then whose choice is it?
The mother's, and possibly the father's if he's in the picture, or responsible enough to make that kind of decision.
It definitely depends on the pregnancy, and the father (unless a rapist) should have some say in the matter, but abortion is moral.
i think the choice to abort is the mothers choice, that's the way it has always been and probably always be.
actually, at the age at which the fetus can be aborted, it has no brainwaves (which medically is what denotes "life") and no heartbeat yet. It's not living yet, though of course it has the potential to.
Exactly! And in my above comment, I said that if someone says that it's wrong to kill possibility than abstinence would be immoral.
that maura bitch needs to get her legs shot off and her pussy sewn shut. Ignorant people lik that, who claim thier "morals" are so high and mighty that they just have to put everyone else down. HER fuckin mother should've had an abortion. Her dad should have pulled out and busted that nut into a lit fireplace. She's a mistake.
And abortion is a choice. Can't afford a baby? Just don't want the damn baby? Your body, YOUR choise. Fuck anybody else's opinions.
(BraveAndVigilantK...): i do not think you should say something like that. i'm sorry that you do not agree with her but that makes you 10x worse than her for even thinking something like that. you think that SHE is putting everyone down? i do not agree with her but that is not an ok thing to say. she was sharing her opinion
(BraveAndVigilantK...): The main reason I'm pro-choice, aside from all the complications of birth, raping, etc. is because my country was founded on the belief that everyone has the right to opinion, a belief I support. So, let's not openly insult anybody else's opinions, just debate with them and make them look like idiots so you look right.
(BraveAndVigilantK...): Although you were very harsh and I think the first part of your comment was unnecessary, the last part is so true! The world is already over populated...
After abortion 8% of women have tried to commit suicide. 19% suffer from post traumatic stress. 11% have been prescribed psychotropic medicine. 44% complained of nervous responses.
then they should be honored for the sacrafice they made for their child in order for them to not be born into a horrible world in which they would be hungry for the rest of their short lives or where they would be hauled off to an orphanage never to be adopted because of their mental or physical disabilities feeling unwanted and unloved for the rest of their adult lives or to a mother who was raped and, for some, feeling like a constant reminder of the horrible incident. some women who were raped are strong enough to raise their babies and make something good out of a terrible situation but many are not.
no problem(:, i just think that it's a choice and no matter how many people say it's killing a baby if the mother doesn't want a child she won't have a child, simple as that.
I think the father should have some choice, but only if he'll take full responsibility for the child.
The baby should get a choice
horrible for the violence, it's okay that he's pro-choice.
Thank you for respecting others' opinions :)
good god you sissies. A fetus is
a baby. NOT.
And to that one anonymous guy... MUDER?!!!
We commit MUDER when we have fetuses yanked out because the woman doesn't want a god damn kid?!!!
Holy fuck, if anything, we need MORE abortions. Judging by most of your idiotic narrow minded responses, too many kids who should have been blowjobs or carpet stains are around.
Abortions are good and wholesome. Unwanted births are bad and unwelcome.
as messed up as it is we live in a world today where a father has basically no say in abortions, you can't force a female to give birth. in reality it's the mother's choice only. it's shady but it's true.
Fetus is NOT a baby. Otherwise the term fetus wouldn't be used, baby would, you pompous asshole. Respect science, not your feelings which lack any trace of intellegence.
hence abortion is removing technically a parasite, as it is feeding off it's host (the woman).
It is NOT murder... or MUDER!!!!!!!
Good holy jumping beens, mr anonymous smarty pants thinks abortions are wrong because they're MUDER!!!!!!!! Oh no, MUDER!!!!!!!!
(BraveAndVigilantK...): Which anonymous person?
i forgot. One anonymous moron called it abortion muder.
It's neither muder or murder. It's an abortion.
Then again, there's nothing wrong with an occasional actual murder either. It's called population control.
(BraveAndVigilantK...): I don't agree with your last statement, but it reminded me: I'm amazed this hasn't gotten into death sentence debate yet.
anonymous above should MUDER maura!!! MUDER!!
(BraveAndVigilantK...): I know it's immature, but I love this. MUDER!
(BraveAndVigilantK...): You got the wrong anonymous.
Im so proud of the guy who saw the typo of muder instead of murder. What a step up little buddy. Everyone lets give him a hand!!!!
I think this is saying the baby being killed has no choice either
Yep because the baby is actually a fetus, so who cares if you just get rid of it, right? He/she can't make it's own decisions so people who don't want to own up to their choices should just be able to get rid of him/her, obviously. This is sarcasm by the way...abortion is disgusting.
Then don't get one. It's perfectly fine not to support it, but it is still an option out there. Think about the situation: a baby of rape to a young girl, a baby to a poor woman who can't afford to give it the life it deserves... it's not like a birth control. it's a life decision. that fetus may be born into a very horrible life. would you rather it have life in prison or the death penalty (this is an analogy)?
Do not argue a point that only justifies less than 1% of the total abortions that occur. I am against the death penalty.
I AGREE COMPLETLY! I think that i t is someones choice, and INOBODY has any right to judge them.
This is between the mother, father, and the doctor's attention should be only on the medical concerns of the abortion.
horrible person, no bueno dude. :(
Horrible for the violence, or for the ppro-choice?
k umm do you really think it would be an easy choice? no. but do you really think that like say a teenage girl is ready to have thi baby or what if she can't afford having it. its your body so therefore its your choice.
Before anyone responds with adoption, I'd like to point out that most people don't adopt, but rather try for children of their own.
Masterbation can't cause a baby unless its into a cup hahaha
that's never gonna happen, teens will have sex unwanted pregnancy will happen and more than likely abortion will be a option. that sounds cold but it's a reality.
Reality is cold.
indeed it is.
If you don't want it aborted, then you would need to take full responsibility of the baby. (Baby if born.)
I personally support aborting 3 of every 4 pregnancies universally. Like china's law where each family is only allowed one baby.
Not to mention... look at the conglomerate of failures that's todays teenager generation. Most of them should've been aborted.
(BraveAndVigilantK...): That's going a little too far. Ever stop and think maybe some people feel that way about you??
(BraveAndVigilantK...): So you think that teenagers who are starving, teenagers that are being abused, teenagers who are in life threatening positions, all are failures? If a teenager is a failure, it's not the fault of the individual itself per se, it's the culture.
(BraveAndVigilantK...): That's a bit totalitarian, don't you think? :P
I don't care what anyone else thinks about me other than me. I'm not a weakling.
(BraveAndVigilantK...): You are way to ignorant to other people's opinions. And if you truly believe what you've said, it would be ok if someone killed you because it would simply be "population control". I doubt you truly feel that way.
I think the government should force everyone to have abortions.
yes yes yes yes YES anonymous guy who says abortions should be forced by government. Treat yourself to a cold and frosty beer.
(BraveAndVigilantKnight) It seems to me that you are determined to end the human race. You want to murder people for population control and force everyone to abort their babies thus wiping out all future generations. I agree with abortions to the point where a baby would end up in very poor living conditions or there is a high risk for disease, but aborting every baby without pausing to think is basically the government taking control of life itself.
Im against abortion but the whole she deserves to die thing is a little much. If you don't want a baby use plan b otherwise don't have sex.
no way would I let anyone else decide for me whether i should have an abortion or not. The father should not get a choice, because no one should be allowed to force a woman to carry a baby around for nine months, even with adoption as a choice I personally would not go through with the pregnancy because I don't believe in adoption unless the real parents are deceased. If the woman doesn't want a baby, doesn't have the means to look after a baby she should not be forced to keep it.
and before any guy tries to tell a pregnant women what to do, maybe they should go through nine months of pregnancy and go through hours of labour giving birth.
I am pro-life and pro-choice...by pro-choice I mean the mother AND the father have the choice to not have sex and that should be the only decision they have to make, abortion should not even exist. I do not see how anyone could do something so wicked to something so innocent. EVERYONE deserves a chance.
I disagreed just because although maybe it SHOULD not be a decision just between a woman and her doctor, a lot of the time it still is.
A 16 year old kid gets in a car accident and is pronounced 'braindead', it is now the decision of his mother whether to take him off life support or not. She chooses to pull the plug. Is she a murderer?
Thats a really good anology! You have a point there...
life support is what is keeping the child alive, if she pulls the plug she is not killing him because he is already dead. a baby is not dead.
The baby is being supported by its mother. It can't live without support.
Everyone is blaming the mother for the unwanted pregnancy and shying she's a whore, slut, hoe, etc. Why is it only the girl's fault? Doesn't it take sperm to create a baby thus it being the father's falt, too?
The child would not survive without life support. The mother is making the best decision for him, herself, and any family/friends it will effect. A fetus will not survive without the mother. Aborting the baby is, in her opinion, the best choice for the fetus, herself, and anyone else involved. It doesn't make her a murderer in any case.
And being brain dead does not make him dead.
Yes, it does. Being brain dead means there is no response going on, no thinking, no feeling, nothing. A person is officially dead when there is no brain activity.
Its also ignorant to assume that just because a person doesn't fall in that 2% of rape category that they don't have just as good a reason to make the desicion they do. Not everyone has a stable loving enviroment to raise a child in. And adoption is def not the answer seeing as how thousands of kids turn 18 in foster care after living their whole lives in a place that's disgusting abusive etc just cuz someone else wants to get that check.
Its murder. And to the guy hung up on a typo find something better to critisize
Pro-Choice. The decision SHOULD be between the parents and doctor.
I was in a car wreck over a year ago that severly damaged my neck/shoulders/spine/hips/tailbone etc. As of now I couldn't physically handle pregnancy or labor.I'm not going to stop having sex with my fiance of 4+ years because of it, and if I were to get pregnant I'd have an abortion. That's MY choice. It doesn't make me wrong, stupid, heartless, a whore, or a murderer. What is wrong is jumping down someones throat for making such a hard heartbreaking decision when you know nothing of their situation. That's just ignorant.
A fetus is a baby. Don't try to make anyone feel better about murdering the unborn child.
Have you not read the previous comments? It is illegal to get an abortion beyond a certain number of weeks, because of when brain waves start to form, and thenthe fetus becomes a human.
It's not murder until the baby can think. Think there's still possibility of a human before brain waves occur? Then there's murd everytime a boy masturbates, and everytime a girl is menstrual. Abstinence would be immoral.
If a teenage girl gets pregnant she shouldn't have had sex. If its rape im sorry but otherwise close your legs. Abortion shouldn't be a birth control because some teenage unresponsible girl had sex.
What about the unresponsible teenage boy? Think it was okay for him to pull his pants down? Think that he shouldn't have to carry any of the responsibilities?
So now a child has to be brought into an unfortunate situation simply because teenagers deserve some kind of "payback"? Yeah, soooo moral.
They are babies. The egg and the sperm have joined. It was just masterbation. And a baby has a heart beat at 18 days. Call it a fetus if you want its still a baby. Its a developing baby. Not just a blob of dna.
Some bugs have hearts. Animals have hearts. Do you think twice about killing a bug? Or eating meat? Even with its heartbeat it can't sustain life outside of the mother's body at just 18 weeks. Even so, it's not your choice. (:
@312249 (Anonymous): What makes a person? Lungs? A stomach? Blood? Or thoughts, feelings, and brain waves?
The boy is just as responsible. And I guess im about as moral as the slut who got an abortion
Teens often don't realize the possibilities of sex. They know it as something that everyone does. After all, that's what happens in the media, right? That's what happens, every time they turn around. Sex. Sure, it has to be protected. But condoms burst. Birth control fails. They're not sluts; they're following societal normalities.
Not only sluts get abortions. And people like you who try to force their beliefs on other people would have a much better time persuading people that they're right if they actually respect that people can have their own opinions and it doesn't make them a horrible person just to think differently than you.
Everyone knows sex can cause babies hell have you not seen mtv. Teen moms. And they have sex ed in school. And all over the media teens have babies. They are dumb if they think they are the exception. There is birth control and plan b. Then they could always just I don't know take care of there decisions. They don't think twice about having sex anymore. Hence sluts
No, "sluts" are those more promiscuous than the majority of the population. Teen mothers are seen inmagazines, walking down the street in sunglasses, holding their jogging-suit ladden babies. In Sex Ed there is the general concensus that the class is stupid, and that this will not really happen. Everybody thinks that they are the exception. Do you think that in the next drunk driving accident, you'll be killed? Not a lot of people do. And have you noticed there's no word for a male slut?
Yet again, you can't force a women to go through birth. Equal rights in workplaces has NOTHING to do with this post at all. If I were to get a girl pregnant I would let her pick what she wanted to do. Not my body not my choice.
They are babies sorry. If you don't want babies or you aren't mature or you aren't ready then you aren't ready for sex.
There's a difference between being ready for sex and ready for a baby, though. A lot of people wait until their thirties to have children (for good reason, like financial security). Are you saying that they should remain virgins until that point?
I just think when a woman dies because of an abortion she deserves it.
Abortion doesn't make you unpregnant, all it does is makes you the mother of a DEAD BABY. Its muder. And when the mother doesn't make it through an abortion too I think she just got what she gave. And there was a study shown where most women regret having them, and that for years up to the rest of there lives they dream about their babys.
This study was done by a pro-life scientist, of course? And actually, they aren't babies until a certain number of weeks. They are fetuses. Besides, you are looking at it from a flat point of view. Have you not read any of the otehr comments, and only rushed to the bottom to add your own thoughts? There could be medical or mental complications, rape trauma syndrome, lack of financial, etc. support, and so many other reasons for abortion.
At the point where a fetus is aborted, it has no ability to survive on it's own. It's not alive, it's being completely supported by the mother. And I happen to know two women who had very good reasons to have an abortion who don't regret doing so at all.
I think people who have abortions should be put down just like their babies.
Then you can't say you're very moral, now can you?