i agree OP. and if you dont like abortion, dont have one. but it should be an option
People who are so against abortion but do absolutely nothing to help teenage mothers in their community are incredible hypocrites. If you do help single mothers who decided against abortion, then good for you; you're standing by your cause. But if you don't and you're so against abortion, you should really consider changing your opinion.
if you can't trust a woman with this choice how the HELL could you trust one with a child
I'm normally anti-abortion but you make a point. Not by the fact that it's the woman's choice, but what can any of us do? If a woman walks into a clinic to have an abortion, we don't have the right to pull her out and say she can't. Regardless of whether abortion is right or wrong, it's the woman's choice and we really can't do anything about it.
We dont have the right to stop her from commiting homicide? Yes, homicide. Murder. The wrongful taking of another's life. How many different ways do you want me to say it?
Believe me, I think it's cruel murder just as much as you do and I wish every woman had the strength to carry through, I'm just saying that they don't and everyone just like you and me who dislikes abortion can't physically rip a woman from the waiting room and stop her. Hundreds of abortions have taken place today and neither you nor I have attempted to stop a single one. All I'm saying is that it sucks that there isn't much we can do.
We're humans. We have hormones. It happens.
so we're reduced to animals? eat, sleep, reproduce. nothing higher. Yeah, I don't think so.
Not having sex does not make one superior to animals.
Also you're a hypocrite, you say "let's not debate" but you're obviously pro-choice.
I couldn't care either way honestly, If it was legal, or illegal it wouldn't bother me, because i personally wont ever have to make the choice of getting an abortion or not. Abortion is horrible, and i know why people want it illegal, but i also see why people want it legal. I do like pro-choice better because it fights for rights, but i'm glad i'm living right now. If you get what i'm trying to say
I agree with that. The woman has the right to choose wether or not she has sex and uses protection because its her body. Once she has another body inside of her, that child should be protected. The woman has a right to choose what she does to her body and less of a right to choose what is done to the body of her child, especially if her choices are not in the child's best interest. Its time for people to start taking responsibility for their choices.
But getting an a abortion is "taking responsibility for your own actions" in many cases is the best option. Also, why is the completely responsible for the baby? Shouldn't the father bear half the responsibility?
Abortion just all DEPENDS. People that are disagreeing, you're saying if a girl has a FUCKED up scenario like: she has no supportive family, her mom's a crack dealer, her dad raped her and got her pregnant, she has low self esteem, no job, no boyfriend or husband, lives in a tiny as house, etc etc (basically any fucked up scenario) she SHOULD have the baby??? Uh yeah, I think not...
I agree with you. Just like so many other things, whether or not to abort depends on the exact scenario.You can't say that abortion is wrong under any circumstances or that it's okay for anyone to abort whenever they want.
That baby may bring her happiness if she was in that scenario...she'd have someone to love her, and to care for. She could FIND a job. OR She could put the baby up for adoption and make another couple who wasn't able to have a baby happy. But the Baby didn't ask to be created, but it was. And it's got just as much rights to live just as you do. Did you know that for every three kids theres one missing because of abortion? And I ask you this...how is it when a drunk driver hits a car with a pregnant woman in it, it's homicide on two accounts, not one? But according to pro-choicers the baby isn't a person until it's born? Does the fact that it's wanted make it more human? Someone, somewhere would want that baby more than anything. My best friend's aunt can't have children, and she wants to adopt more than anything. And there are millions of people out there just like her that'd be happy to take in a little baby and treat it as their own.
That charge only counts for 2 people if the baby is a certain # of weeks old stupid
bottom line is : no matter how hard you say "it's killing a baby" if a woman doesn't want a child she's not gonna have a child. I personally am pro-choice but i don't think you should be able to get a abortion after a certain stage in your pregnancy.
I agree with this. Not only with rape, but some women can't handle a pregnancy, emotionally or physically.
if they can't handle it then they shudn't have sex
This may come as a shock to you, but the majority of adult relationships include sex. It's HEALTHY to have sex and want to have sex! Birth control can fail for even the most responsible couples, so who are you to judge someone wanting an abortion?
its healthy to have sex when ur in a committed relationship and when ur married to the person. My fiance and i have been dating for 5 years and we haven't had sex yet! if we can wait then anyone can. yes we want to have sex but we know that if we dont have sex we eliminate so many risks.
Yay for you. The is nothing wrong with waiting until marriage to have sex but there is something wrong with believing that every unmarried sexually active person is unworthy, evil, and doesn't deserve to have the right to fulfill her dreams.
Yes, it is the womens body so she should have rights, but if the woman is the dumbass who had sex and got pregnant knowing already she didn't want or wasn't ready to have kids, then it is still her responsibility to are for the child without resulting to murder :'(
what if your mom aborted you or better yet what if you were tried to get aborted and you lived threw it but were physically and mentally messed up from it?
(Sportamatic!): What if the woman was raped, and didn't have the choice?
I'm so sick of people justifying abortion because of rape. Rape is a terrible thing. But only about 1% of abortions occur because of rape or incest.
I know, i'm just saying that abortion should be an option for those people if they want it, but people that just fuck around should learn a lesson. But thats just my opinion
That does NOT happen as often. Granted, it does. But not as much as you make it seem!
(Sportamatic!): How can you advocate that a child be brought into the world simply as "punishment" for the "sins" of the parents? We don't live in a fair world. Sometimes birth control fails, so even responsible people who aren't "dumbasses" my find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy.
So you saying that every one who can't afford to have a child should not have sex ever because any sex that isn't for the purpose of procreation is reckless and evil? Also, why is it only the woman's responsibility to deal with the child? She wasn't the only one to have sex.
(Sportamatic!): u r so right
That's like saying to a murderer, 'it's your life, go and do whatever you want' ...it's not that the lady has the choice to either have sex and/or get pregnant or not, it's the fact that it's killing a baby.
It's not human YET. It couldn't even survive outside of its mother if it's still early enough to abort.
Yeah, a newborn can't survive on it's own either. Whether 2 weeks, 2 months, or 2 years, it's a person.
It's not murder if it hasn't been born yet. Do you remember when you were in the womb? I thought not.
well do you remember when you were 1 week old? 3months? 1year? I thought not
i am for abortion cause why the fuck would i want to bring a baby into this world with all you crazy bastards
Best thing I've read all day.
Just take birth control. :P
(Im from sweden my spelling is bad) I dont think that the people who gets an abortion do it just like nothing, its a difficult decision and we must trust them to do what's right for the situation and them. And, the first months its not a humen, just a lump..
I agree with you! People don't think women are intelligent enough to control their own lives.
Just because it is a "lump" doesn't mean it's not human.
its her fault of course, but if it is a rape then abort. the mother and father should always take responsibility. always !
How exactly is it "her" fault? It takes two to tango.
if she choses to have sex, of course its her fault. pretty obvious (;
We shouldn't give babies to people as a punishment!
I'm not going to write whether or not I agree or disagree with abortion, I just think it's one of those things that not everybody is ever going to agree on due to circumstances & beliefs. It's one of those things we could debate on for years and years and still not everybody would agree.
We could debate using facts, logic, and common sense.
Which people are always going to disagree on, something that seems like logic to one person might not seem like logic to the other.
If he's not a baby when he's first concieved, when is he a baby? When he's 18 days in? 40? And, if he's not a baby, what the _hell_ is he? Are 2 month olds human? What changes when he's in the womb or out of it? Are premature babies human? At what stage are they human? Answer- He's a baby from conception. It's MURDER. Plain and simple.
Right, when exactly have I said I disagree with your views? I simply said people are never going to agree because everybody has views.
I agree with you. Abortion is murder.
The baby is an eternal soul its God's child not urs u have no right to kill anything that is his
Then why does he kill so many fetus?
The you wouldn't like hunting either
I believe the key phrase there was "eternal soul".
oh, will all of you PLEASE shut the fuck up. It depends on the situation! There is no one solution. It depends on the circumstances. It's not ALWAYS right and it's not ALWAYS wrong.
There's millions of children in foster care who will never be adopted and once they're 18 have absolutely nothing. Statistically 90 some odd percent of children in that situation end up in jail or prison.Rape is def not the only situation abortion could be an answer. Saying having sex is stupid is just ignorant. Sex is not just for reproduction its for pleasure. Pro lifers, is it better that a drug addicted homeless woman has her baby that will be born addicted and go through extremly painful withdrawels and very likely be under developed and malnurished and die on the streets a better decision than aborting before all of that? I don't think so. There's a million and one reasons a person may choose abortion as the best choice for that unborn fetus. And really, if you don't agree with abortion, don't have one! Plain and simple.
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It's not the woman's body. It's the baby's body. The woman can do what she wants to her body. She cannot do what she wants to the baby's body - it's not her body.
Don't you think if the baby is MICROSCOPIC, hasn't even been formed yet, is basically still just a tiny ass egg, it shouldn't be aborted? I find it wrong if it's after 2, 3 months or so. Then that's just scary...
If it's inside her body, using her blood, drinking her water, eating her food, and interfering with her life then it is totally her business, not yours, so butt out.
But one of those 'bodies" (a clump of cells with no consciousness) is ENTIRELY WITHIN the body of another person.
You can't fucking start an argument pretending to be neutral and then bring very one-sided views in at the end. That's fucking bullshit.
you're completely right. I hate it when people do that.
This is ridiculous. What about the child's rights, needs, and wants? Just because you messed up doesn't mean you can go and kill your own child.
Furthermore it doesn't matter who or what the baby would have turned out to be, its still a life. It could be good, evil, average, whatever, its a person and deserves to live either way.
Excatly! He (or she) deserves a shot at life, the same as the rest of us.
So did the sperm that your dad masturbated out. :D Pretty mind picture.
It's funny that you say that baby could be the next Adolf hitler because his mom actually considered abortion
OP isn't saying that, they're saying killing babies could one day be compared to killing the Jews one day
No they aren't. They're countering the pro-life argument that the baby could be the next Albert Einstein by saying the baby could also be the next Adolf Hitler.
I personlly think abortion is wrong, but I won't hate you if you were to get one. If somebody is stupid enough to have sex and get pregnant then no they should not abort. Thats just plain wrong, but if they were raped its different and it wasnt their choice. Even then though abortion is still killing a living creature.
ps. the reason I said no way is becuase this person says let not debate and then takes a very biased stand.
I didn't mean to take a stand, i was trying to say lets not debate because both sides are right, while at the same time both sides are wrong.
Oh I get what you were saying now that you added that part in. That makes me want to agree with you now even though I'm pro-life, I see how pointless debating over this is becuase nobody will ever be able to see the other sides point.
I meant to say in the post also that the woman shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place after the "its their choice" part. But i forgot to add that part in. Opps XD
By the way- it was mentioned that we (prolifers) have never personally helped or stopped an abortion. Actually, I (and many others) have. We call it Sidewalk Counseling.
I call it "fear mongering,'" but tomayto-tomahto, right?
Actually, I say It
He's-a-baby-with-sepreate-DNA-seperate-brian-waves-sepreate-blood-and-a-seperate-heart-beat, you say inhuman lump of tissue.
Everyone else calls it violent, insensitive, inhuman torture. Yelling at people on the street isn't going to make then change their minds. If you really cared about saving babies you would give vaccines to babies in poor countries instead of shouting insults to pregnant teenagers as they go into a clinic.
ahhh, don't you love when someone posts an abortion comment. Such emotion and debating. :D
Secret Life of the American Teenager.. anyone else notice ?
exist before, such as difficulty becoming pregnany again, depression, substance abuse, and suicide. And in the post it says that the women has the right to control her own body, and I know its been said before, but the baby is not a part of the women's body. Again, it has its own genetic code, blood type, and immune system.
The baby is connected to the woman I side her body eatting her food I think that makes it part of her. Personally as a woman I will consider my children part of me until it is disconnected from me.
They have different blood type, DNA, finger prints, and brian waves for crying out loud! He or she is no more then 1/2 of you. They are there own person.
They don't have brain waves or fingerprints until much later in the pregnancy.
Exactly! But the womans womb is still her body, and she can have a fetus removed from it if she so chooses.
Hitlers mother did consider abortion. If she wants to, that's her problem!
Also sometimes abortion is the only choice. Sometimes the mother can get very ill and maybe even die. So if u will both definately die in the birth, one life is better lost than two. I'm not saying its right or wrong. It is the mothers decision and all of u can't. Change anyones point of view. I also agree with some of u saying that if its before a certin point in the pregnancy it should be ok. The baby is part of the mother and can nout live without the mother until its born. It is part of the mother weather u people want to face it or not. The mother should have the choice to abort or not. U can believe its wrong but its always the mothers choice in the end.
I completely agree ^^^
You who are pro-life.. Are you prolife in every situation? I mean death penalty, vegetarians?
I wonder if Anyone got the fact that this is a quote from The Secret Life Of The American Teenager .....
I can see why you would want to get an abortion, if you were raped or something, but there are still better options than abortion! There are people out there who would give anything to have their own child, and abortion is just throwing it away.
i can totally understand why any sane woman would want to kill her baby and be totally ok with it!
"Its the woman's body and she should have the right to do with it what she wants"
Yeah ok. So then it is better that one of the woman's rights be preserved than to restrict ALL of a baby's rights... forever?
Why a woman would want to murder her very own baby beats the hell out of me, anyway.
Also, if a pregnant woman is murdered, it's considered a double-homicide. Meaning that, that unborn child is treated as a life that was ended. But if the mother decides to kill her child, it's fine? Makes no sense.
Usually they do the double homicide thing so that the person that murdered the woman gets a longer prison sentence.
Does that mean that they are BSing the whole idea that two people were killed? I'm sure you don't know the answer, so this is more of a rhetorical question. But still, if that's true, its disgusting. I can't honestly believe that, that's the only reason.
I'm saying its a possibility. And it would depend on how far along the baby is, and if it could survive out-side of the mother or not.
Alot of the comments are saying that abortion is okay if the mother was raped. And yes, rape is a horrible thing and I wouldn't want to go through that. But how is it right for a baby to have to pay for the crimes of his/her father? And from the moment of conception a baby is a baby. A baby has it's own genetic code, blood type, and immune system. It is NOT a part of the mother's body, therefore she does not have the right to choose to kill the human being that is growing inside her. People who believe that abortion is right may say that abortion may help women who are facing a difficult or unexpected pregnancy. But when you think of the situations in which abortion is most frequently considered, you see that abortion may end the pregnancy but doesn't solve the underlying problem. Economically disadvantaged women are still economically disadvantaged. A women who was raped still has to face the trauma of being raped.Abortion can also cause health and psycological problems that didn't
Why does the WOMAN have to pay for the crimes of the rapist? Oh, by the way, abortion doesn't actually cause health or psychological problems, that is a lie made up by prolifers.
She may not have a right to kill the baby as it is not part of her body, but she does have the right to remove it from her body. Yes, it will certainly die if she does this, but it's not her responsibility to keep the child of someone who raped her.
The fetus is still part of the mother until it is born which is when it becomes a baby. You are blaming it on the mother there is a father too and it might not be the mothers fault. Since it is technically part of the woman it should be her choice. You can try but women will still have abortions legal or not. I would rather a child be aborted and know nothing and feel nothing than have them suffer as an independent and breathing human being.
I say no to abortion I mean why couldn't she have the baby, and let it be adopted. I don't see why a baby should die.
There is always adoption. If u kill the baby u are a murderer.
There is always adoption. If u kill the baby u are a murderer. If u decide to kill the baby u are also a murderer
Yes it's the womans body but she was stupid enough to have sex and get pregnant in the first place! If you don't want a kid then don't have sex. It's a very simple solution actually. And if you are pregnant and don't want the baby then give it away for adoption. Ther are soooo many couples that want a baby but can't have one. They are willing to care for it and love it. For every baby that's aborted there are five couples wanting to adopt. Abortion is wrong. It's the murdering of a teeny tiny innocent baby that didn't do anything. Why should they he punished for the stupid choice the mother made. Having the baby would teach the mother responsibility and consequences to her actions. Also the world is hypocritical. A girl is allowed to murder a baby in side her and she won't get introuble but if a pregnant woman is murdered the murderer can be charged for double homicide.
According to UNIEF there are over 20 million children living with no parental care whatsoever so I'm not really sure what you mean when you say there are 5 parents who want a child for everyone abortion. But your not really anti-abortion, you are anti-sex. You want everyone who has sex for any reason other than procreation to suffer and lose their rights, lifestyle, and livelihood which is really stupid. Also you only have a problem with the mother having sex. I don't see you saying the father needs to take any responsibility. That's sexist.
If you say that aborting a bunch of cells which don't even LOOK human is murder, then men shouldn't be allowed to masturbate. They're are taking away the poor potential lives of innocent iddy bitty sperm! voices drips with sarcasm
Dude. Really. Maybe I don't think you _look_ enough like a human. Yet, somehow, I think I'd be arrested for ripping you from you home, tearing you limb from limb, and dumping you body in the trash. That's what happens to the baby. btw, It's not a blob of cells for very long. 90% of abortions happen after the baby is recongnizable (to someone who isn't a medical proffesional.)
Actually, there is a limit to abortion. It isn't allowed to be aborted after the 24th week. If the baby was born and the parents didn't want it, the baby would probably suffer more from lack of parenting skills and responsibility from the mother. I'd rather be killed than live a shitty life.
Really if that's true then what about the Foster system, where children are beaten everyday. The system is too over crowded to be monitored as closee as it should. And while I don't blame the system entirely, they do need work. Why dont those families look into those children. The fifteen year old who gets raped nightly, or the 7 year old who lives in a tiny cell of a room, or maybe the over crouded foster homes that keep children in horrible conditions just for the check. Why aren't those children getting adoptied
If abortion is okay, so is slavery. I mean, it's your property, you can do what you want with it, right? Kinda makes you think...
No.... it really doesn't. It's not clever or thought provoking.
Uh, dude, it's killing a BABY! An itty bitty little BABY! It's totally NOT the baby's fault the mom went and got prego when she didn't want a kid! Sex is for reprodution, not entertainment. If people had more sense, this wouldn't be an issue. btw, Planned Parenthood was started to decrease the popluation of African Americans. The founders of Planned Parenthood are the most racest people out there. Look it up, I'm not lieing to you.
I just looked, and couldn't find anything about Planned Parenthood being racist... and aborting early in the pregnancy, when it's nothing but a bunch of cells that doesn't have a heartbeat, can't feel pain, and doesn't even look human, isn't the equivalent of murder. Is crushing a seed the same as cutting down a tree?
How is it you can be charged with two counts of murder for killing a woman who is nine months pregnant, but you can legally and and with full knowledge of what you are doing, get an abortion. This is basically saying human life is only real if you are wanted.
Because when she's NINE months pregnant, or anywhere in the third, or even second, trimester of pregnancy, abortion is illegal. Only in the first trimester can any woman get an abortion. Roe v. Wade.
No. But that's like comparing apples to oranges. If someone did cut down a tree would it be illegal? (and I'm talking about having the right permits and everything to cut down a tree) No it wouldn't. But what about killing a human? Yes of course it would be illegal. Comparing a fully developed, thinking and emotional human being (which is what that bundle of cells will become) to a tree isn't a very good arguement.
You are lying, though it's most likely unintentional and you are just repeating what others have told you. Loads of Pro-lifers say that to try to get people to hate Planned Parenthood. If you can't afford a child you shouldn't be expected to never have sex that is cruel and unfair. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to have sex that don't involve procreation.
(maniac_mania19): Actually, if you got raped, would you want a different coloured baby? Probably not. What if you figured out that your child is not going to have a nice life, or maybe you just can't find a way to pay for the resulting in once again, if you were raped! I'm not saying that you should do it just because!
Why does it matter about a different colored baby? That's kinda racist...And btw, my mother was 17 when she got raped and had me. She said it was the best thing that ever happened to her(not the raping, the having me) She felt that it was ironic that something so bad gave her something so amazing. She thought about an abortion, but really, it's wrong. I had a nice life without a father, and there is always help for single mothers.
its great that it worked out for you and her, but not all situations were like that.
My mother was 17, her parents kicked her out after they found out she was pregnant. Apparently they didn't believe it was rape. She had no boyfriend to support her. No money, no job, no nothing. She decided that she could not kill an innocent baby. I'm pretty sure people can make it work. There are always programs out there for single mothers with babies.
your mother was very strong in this situation, and i respect her, but still, circumstances must be considered. it's not always an option to keep the baby.
what does being raped have to do with haveing a different colored baby. and mixed kids have no probems. my 2 nephews are blck and white and there is nothing wrong with them. wtf?
Ever heard of adoption?