That's a good way of looking at it. The bible definitely doesn't condone homosexuality but it also doesn't say it should be outlawed.
You people getting pissed can fuck off, the OP is right. The Bible is not meant to be a basis for our government, separation of church and state exists for a reason. Gay rights is a civil rights issue, we cant call ourselves a free country if we dont allow the same rights to everyone. I'm Christian, and yes i believe in the Bible, but do I follow it word for word? No, because in reality the Bible was written by straight men, not by God. The Bible also tells you not to judge others, but at the same time says that being gay is wrong. Its contradictory. There's nothing wrong with being gay, that's just who you are. God wouldnt have made you that way if it was a sin. And marriage has adapted over the years. Its not defined as being between a man and a woman anymore.
There are so many lies/false information in your post that it's ridiculous.
Church and state was to keep the Government out of the church, not the other way around.
The Bible condemns homosexuality, and you simply CANNOT choose to believe some of it. I'm not saying you can't agree with just some of the morals, I'm saying you cannot believe that any of it is valid unless you believe the whole thing is. With that said, you've deluded yourself into believing you're a Christian. Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior? Do you know Him on a personal level?
Saying something is a sin isn't a judgement. Besides, who would get to decide that, you, or your Creator?
Actually, Gay marriage is a religious issue. What is marriage? A constitution between a MAN and a WOMAN reflecting our union with God. Anything other than that is a sham, be it legal or not. Where did marriage originate? With Adam and Eve? It's a religious constitution, and the State has NO place in it.
Well it can not just be to keep the statre out of the church because there are so many citizens of the US that are not christian. To an extent the church has to stay out of the state/government too. They can not control people based on believes that certainly not every single citizen believes in. Like they can not teach religion in public schools/base education on Christianity.
Marriage is not a religious issue. It is a union between a man and woman, a man and man, or a man and woman who truly love each other and want to proclaim their love in front of all the people they care about. Why does it have to be anything else? Thats all it means to the people getting married. People like you, who make a big deal out of a simple process that only brings happiness to two people, are why I have absolutely no faith in the human race.
Actually, no there are no lies or false information in my statement.
Separation of church and state does work both ways.
And who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and cannot choose to believe? Despite what you think, the Bible was written by man, not by God, which means its subject to error. If a gay man had written it, it would read differently than it does today. Be that as it may, you are not supposed to judge anyone. By saying that being gay is wrong, essentially you are jedging them. I did not saying that what is in the Bible, and by that I mean the stories of Jesus and his followers and what God has done, are not valid because I do believe them. I'm saying the Bible is contradictory, therefore you can't possibly believe all of it unless you truly are a mindless follower. Yes, Jesus is my lord and savior, and no I dont believe he will judge you on your sexual orientation. When it comes down to it what matters it what kind of person you are.
Bet you $50 scrantoncity is gay
I see what you did there... I think.
What's up with the exclamation marks?
How about you follow your own advice there and not post irritating religious comments that are completely ignorant themselves?
The Bible's not the only religious doctrine that looks down on homosexuality... There's also the Torah and Qur'an... Also Christianity's not the only religion that frowns upon it... There's the Jewish, islamic, hindu, and I believe budhist religions as well... Unlike most of these religions, Christianity doesn't teach us to get rid of homosexual people... It tells us to hate the sin of it but we should still love the people as we love ourselves... Other religions would tell us to stone them.
Buddhism supports homosexuality...
Very true, the Bible doesn't teach us to cull out the people, just the sin. It's like saying there is another answer..
I don't really care if gays get married... as long as it's not on my church
Im not gay but i probly wont get married in a church for the simple fact that i am not religious.
why would you care if its in your church? Its not like that would affect you in any way.
I mean "my church" as a collective. If they get married it's their business, just as long as it's not in a place where it's believed to be sinful. That just wouldn't make any sense.
Well, there are people of the Christian faith that are more open minded about things and who realize that being gay isn't a sin. It's completely natural, those people were born that way, that's how God made them.
It also never says people can't be homosexual, it's a misinterpretation.
Whether we like it or not the bible says being homosexual is a sin.
But he also says that lying and disrespecting our elders is a sin, so who are we to judge?
Ummm. Actually, the Bible outlines how to govern a nation. What nation is that you might ask? The isrealites. Yes dears, it's true. OP, have you ever even read the Bible? Probably not if that's what you really believe it says...
Hello all, it is me, Ellie.(I anonymously did this post when i did not have an account, thank you for the positive feedback) I am not Christian, i am straight, but i do support gay marriage, and i found this on an episode of "What the buck?" (by Michael Buckley, who is in fact gay) On gay marriage, yes, i have went through all of the comments, positive, and some DEFINITELY negative... No, i do believe in the bible. Just because the U.S (who is the country in question) is mostly Christian, does not mean we should not give rights to some on what we (the Christians) believe is a religious sacrament but is seen by most as a union that unites two people that love each other. No, I have not read the entire bible, just the blips of it that have been brought to my attention by family and friends and definitely the forum on amirite on several posts on amirite that address issues that some love to argue about(much like this one) Please keep commenting on what is a very important subject! ~Ellie
P.S. Marriage is a religious sacrament! One does not condone gay marriage, one condones the fact that the Bible says no on homosexuality, while people are trying to turn it into a sacrament. Most gay people are really nice and I'm fine that they're gay, but marriage did not start as a civil ceremony and should be treated as religious. Today people remove religion from everything, including religious sacraments to make them PC. No on gay marriage, yes on gay relationships. Give them the rights but not the sacrament.
Thats just plain wrong. Gay people have EVERY right to get married to the person they love the same way that we do. Who are you, me, or our government to say otherwise? To say we are a free country is a downright lie considering that apparently not everyone applies to that. Its like we're saying "all men are created equal, oh yeah except for those gay men, they aren't equal." Its bullshit.
and the principles of religious tolerance...
I'm pro gay rights, but that was a stupid point
Bullcrap! Seperation of church and state is misused so much nowdays. Look at the context it was used in! It was obviously created to keep the state out of the church, to prevent a church such as in England. It was NOT suppossed to force the church out of government. Secondly, You're either a Christian or ur not. The Bible is basic protocol to live by for the Christian. You don't choose when u follow it or when you want it to apply. If you do, then guess what? , you're not a Christian. Lastly, Homosexuality is condoned in the Bible, its specificly mentioned as a sin and while maybe it shouldn't be outlawed since this is a free society, the state should not recognize a gay marriage because a marriage is a man and a woman. Period. I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just asking you to not post stupid, ignorant crap that only pisses people off.
It also never says people can't be homosexual, it's a misinterpretation. You are obviously very uninformed. It is misinterpreted to mean people should not be homosexual. Secondly , while the bible is the text of the Christians, we don't go around stoning people for petty crimes. Also, humans populated the earth through incest, and the catholic church and society ban that nowadays. Lastly, being a Christian means you believ in God and Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. It does not say anywhere in your bible you are obsessed with, that people must believe in certain things. Jesus was a jew. Stop posting ignorant, hypocritical, unchristian content if you are criticizing someone else. Try opening your mind a little.
Thank you for pointing out that being Christian means you believe in God and Jesus to be your lord and saviour. Most people don't understand that. Being a Christian isnt about following a bunch of rules and guidelines, its about accepting God into your life and trying to be the best person you can be.
that's the most uninformed, unthoughtout response I've ever read. A Christian, is not just believing in Jesus. A Christian has a relationship with God and thereby does what God says, which is in the Bible! That's what makes it different from other religions. Its not just believing something. Its a relationship. That's the first thing. Secondly, I noticed that u nvr replied how u think the Bible should be interpeted, just that homosexuality is ok. No, its not. Its not a misinterpretation, its wrong. Period. Does that mean we have to be jerks to, and treat gays like crap? No, u treat them just like anyone else, they're sinners just like everyone else, myself included. Christians r just sinners saved by Gods grace, no better than anyone else. Thirdly, the stoning people for petty crimes issue u brought up. No, we def don't do that anymore. Becuz when that was done, (old testament or before Christ died for us) forgiveness wasn't available. It was the law, and if u b...
Condemned* not condoned. I think that's what you meant, but if you meant condoned you're wrong.