I don't know much about the subject, but I don't get why they can't just build it somewhere else if everyone is so pissed at them?
They already have a presence in that spot... have for a bit... they just want to tear down the existing building and build a new one. That's why they want to do it there. (not advocating one way or the other, just answering the simple question)
But if everyone wants them to move, and they're getting like death threats and such, why not move? Why must they build there?
couldn't agree more :) i mean if the mosque was important to those Muslims than the location shouldn't matter, the mosque being built peacefully and efficiently should be the first priority.
Agreed. Is it true they want to open it on September 11th?
yeah that's the plan
here is a source : http://www.nypost.com/p/news/na...WS0lXuAnQau5uL
That's kinda douchey...
NO, they're not that's a flat out lie. Check the dates of publication for the articles.
They could, but it's partly a matter of principle. They shouldn't have to move it, it's like telling black people that they're allowed to sit on the bus, but just not at the front.
i dont think it is all the same thing because America cant be this big hero when there are still people morning and thats our weakness right now because no one is truly over it it is almost like a slap in the face i dont have anything against the culture its just that it was done under the culture. plus there are still little kids waking up and not being able to wish their mom or dad or sibling good morning its even the little things spouses waking up alone families crucially in pain everday or every year around this time.
You are right. I agree.
But your run-on sentences are killing me on the inside.
i apologize it was just a lot to say and i ramble a lot
Well, no one died from a black person sitting on a bus.
It's a big slap in the face for someone who lost a loved one in 9/11.
Yeah, nobody died from black people not being able to sit on a bus except the black people who got lynched for being dumb enough to assume that they deserved that basic human right. What a lot of people are doing is a big slap in the face to the founding fathers who created the first ammendment to protect rights such as the ones which people are trying so hard to deny the Muslims.
I understand their loss but you can't infringe on someone else's human right because of it. The underlying principles are more similar to the internment of the japanese during WW2. Just because we were at war with the japan at the time, people thought it was okay to infringe on the rights of japanese americans that had nothing to do with the war.
I think it's the principle of the matter..
They would rather continue building somewhere where everyone will be pissed at them than move and "show weakness" or something like that? Is it really about pride?
Not pride. Just, like. It's their freedom to do it. If it was some other religion I'm sure it wouldn't be this much of a fuss. I think moving it would be like conceding defeat, and detracting from their freedoms.
Well I think they should move it if they don't want to be threatened all the time. It doesn't matter if they are constitutionally allowed, it's just a stupid idea to build there.
alright lets get this straight there is no mosque being planned on being built on ground zero. There is, however, an Islamic cultural center being built four blocks away. Which could possibly include a mosque, but not for sure. And on the ground zero site, i believe they plan to make two fountains representing the two towers and make it a memorial for all people who lost their lives in the tragic accidents. Lets all just be mature about this and stop fighting and maybe focus on what really matters, caring for all those who lost loved ones in the World Trade Centers crash. Thank you.
Agreed. Though the author of the post's comment regarding that is just above yours.
you are so right. I'm from oklahoma, and was supposed to be in the nursery that day. scary.
Glad you weren't.
Just saying I live in Oklahoma too
From what I heard, it wasn't even ON Ground Zero, it was 2 blocks away from it.
2 blocks is about 0.1 miles... about 528ft or 1.5 football fields.
So? How is it somewhat opposing Ground Zero at all?
Did you know Muslims build mosques in places they've conquered? And that the mayor offered them free land away from Ground Zero but they wont take it? They say they are peaceful but causing this whole controversy is the opposite. It would be easier if they just built on the other spot.
but hey, we have assholes too in this country that call themselves Christian. Like the guy planning to burn the Muslims sacred book
They shouldn't have to move it, they have just as much a right to build a religious center there as christians or jews or anyone else for that matter. Plus, they're not the ones causing controversy, people are just blowing the situation out of proportion.
they are if they refuse to move. say (& this is a bad example) that you had a friend and he/she just broke up with their boyfriend/girlfriend. they asked you not to try anything with that boyfriend/girlfriend and yet you go and do something with the boyfriend/girlfriend. its adding insult to injury
Dude, the whole building mosques on conquered areas stopped centuries ago. Muslims only did that when they were spreading Islam. Now they just build mosques anywhere. (Well, not anywhere they like- you know what I mean)
who says that they didn't just bring the idea back? things go out of fashion so maybe they remembered stories about that and thought it was a good idea.
Look, I'm a Muslim. So, no, they don't just bring ideas back like that.
sorry i was just guessing. but really how do you know. where you there with them when they made that decision? i wouldn't guess that you were but who knows, so again, i'm sorry
No I wasn't. But seriously, why would they do that?
who knows. people are all different and some are just..way more different..
But I'm pretty sure that they won't bring back a law from centuries back that was forbidden.
whatever you say. i was just saying what i thought.
Not all Muslims want to blow us up. I happen to be good friends with one. I can understand why people are going crazy on this issue. The people that are building the mosque maybe should look into building somewhere else, maybe a few more blocks away. If they do end up building it there, it wouldn't effect my daily life so I don't care too much about it.
Just my opinion though...
My sister, who found this out from a reliable source, heard that they were going to name it after a mosque they built in Spain, in a town they conquered. They burned down the church and put the mosque on top.
If you thought just building the mosque was harsh, this is terrible.
The whole burning a building, building a mosque on top, and naming the proposed mosque near Ground Zero after it. Not the fact that it was a church.
That may have happened, but when? Last I heard, there weren't a lot of muslims in Spain...
@556075: There weren't a lot of Muslims after the Spanish Inquisition. Let me look it up, and I'll get back to you.
That's all I could discover on short notice
I'm SO tired of all these people saying "ohhh if the Christians / Jews / whoever the fuck else wanted to build it here, there wouldn't be a problem, blah blah."
Well guess what? No one else has tried to harm america. There is no fucking way you can compare this to black people being able to sit in a certain place on a bus.
(Anon.): No one else has tried to harm America? what.
Im talking about any other people with a different religion have not recently tried to harm America and then come and build their damn praying place smack dab by the place they attacked.
(Anon.): Only about 6% of terrorist attacks on American soil have been made by muslims...
None of the other ones are coming over here and trying to do their religion when no one wants them to.
(Anon.): That's generalization. Sure, people of the Muslim faith committed those crimes, but that doesn't make every single Muslim inherently evil.
This country was built on the notion of freedom of religion. God doesn't have to refer to Christianity, it could really refer to any Semitic religion, Islam included.
I agree. & Anon, whoever you are, you seem to be one of those people who push their opinions on others and cause more problems than they solve
Too bad, I don't like whaf they did to this country and they need to back the fuck off. If you support them so much, then why don't you become one?
i never said i supported them but i am NOT up for being unfair to someone because of what they believe. i wouldn't like someone doing that to me . And i don't like what they did either, it was horrible but it wasn't the entire religion that was in on it, it was a group of radicals. Even christens have/had them. ever heard of the crusades? And most those Muslims are citizens of this country too. I just believe that since they are they should realize how sensitive this situation is
Definitely. I argued with that guy about evolution once. I don't think he knew what he was talking about.
Who is scrantoncity?
Even if all of them are not in on it, they should not be disrespectful like they are being right now. They should place the mosque in a different location from the one they want to put it in now.
And yes, I know about the Crusades. That happened about 900 years ago, not 9. I think in 900 years Americans would pretty much be over this.
i said they should put the mosque somewhere else?? and i just used the crusades as an example of the Christians, not Americans. Apparently you didn't realize that they happened in Europe.
I shall generalize If I fucking please, dumbass. I don't care if they all are not like that, this country was based on christianty and it needs to stay that way.
this country was actually based on freedom of religion. Christianity just happens to be one of the big religions in this country
One nation, under GOD. I don't know of another religion that has just one God. It is quite obvious they were talking about Christianity.
@556338 (Anon): Just one God? Off the top of my head? Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. They're the same God, too. The Torah is in the Bible, and both are recognized in the Qu'ran.
They aren't the same God. You need to learn more, idiot.
Oh really now? So three separate Gods created three separate Adams and Eves? No. The first testament of the Bible is literally the Torah. Which would mean that the God worshiped by Judaism and Christianity are the same; Jesus was a Jew, too. The exact same story is the beginning of the Qu'ran, though, like Christianity, they added the story of the prophet of Mohammed. That's like saying Mormonism isn't Christianity. You're saying that I need to learn more?
They are not all the same exact god. If they were all the same one, then they would not say that other religions are wrong.
I shall explain:
Islam: Jews and Christians are respected yet are still seen as having wrong beliefs.
Judaism: Islam and Christianity are false interpretations and extensions of Judaism.
Christianity: Judaism is a true religion, but with incomplete revelation. Islam is a false religion.
They contradict each other. That was basically what I was talking about.
I almost agreed with you RIGHT until you said it needs to stay based on Christianity. THAT was complete B.S.
I don't see how you think it's B.S.?
Because we shouldn't be based on ANY religion.
Oh, I see. I'm sorry you think that way but the founding fathers were all Christians therefore the U.S. has some basis from it.
By 'on,' I meant near the site, not directly on the plot. I should have phrased that differently.
what irritates me is that the 9/11 attack was less about Christianity and more about revenge for what America did to them. They just happened to be Muslim.
can you explain how that irritated you? I'm honeestly really interested to hear
You guys missed what I was saying...
People who say that two blocks is far have never been to the city.
The "mosque" isn't going to be ON ground zero.... There's a strip club that's more on ground zero than it would be.
What I don't understand is the fact that it's such a big deal to either side. Normally, this wouldn't even be featured in the news but because of one day America goes haywire. I really think we should have just went on like it didn't happen and show that stupid terrorist group that they can knock down 1000 buildings, we're still Anerica, we're still strong and we don't need a fucking building to kick their asses!
But we turned it into this big thing and our economy is in the shitter so the world thinks we're drowning.
Went on like it didn't happen? A lot of lives were lost! It was devastating!
Yeah. But we should rebuilt the towers exactly as they were and acted like we weren't a crumbling society.
That's what I meant. Instead of all this "woe is America." crap, we should have kicked ass first and taken names later. Everyone saw how broken we were by it instead of seeing how strong it made us.
We're AMERICA, we nuke people. WHERE WERE THE NUKES?! Give me carnage.... Instead we had bush, "Derrr, the towers fell? Well I'm gonna stare blankly and then read a book. Derp herp derpderp" idiot.
Yeah, nukes'll definitely solve the problem.
How do you expect us to kick ass? Just go randomly killing Muslims and Middle Easterners till we finally got the right person? No, that isn't how it works, either. We are spending our time LOOKING to find the members of AlQaeda and locking them up if they haven't already killed themselves.
WE ARE AMERICA. WE HAVE NUKES. Wait...where were we supposed to nuke? We had no idea who the hell DID this at the time. Even if we did, we aren't a "Nuke first, do something reasonable later" country. We are neutral and don't fire unless fired upon. We won't nuke until they nuke us. And, plus, how do you propose we nuke an organization, especially when we don't know where or how they are scattered? Or are you saying we blow up a country full of innocent people, as well as animals and other things that don't really relate to the cause?
May I just point out that we are not Anerica? Ah, hell, I'll do it anyways. Oh, and how about I kill your family and go on like it didn't happen. And then how about I burn your house down? And then kill all your friends. I could do all that and go on like it didn't happen. How would you feel about that? 2,977 people died that way. I'm sure if we could live with that and act like nothing happened, I can kill 40 people and act like it never happened.
But that's not how it works.
There were almost 3,000 deaths. Two of the biggest buildings in the country (if not the world, I believe) were destroyed. I'm not sure how we are supposed to pretend that it never happened.
Rebuild the buildings? People would be efeen TERRIFIED to step back into them. Why the hell would they REBUILD them? If they do, Al Qaeda (however it's spelled) will just figure out how to repeat 9/11.
Because Muslims are f'ed up in the brain.
The Oklahoma City bombing was not the result of a radical Christian ideology that prompted a group of people to attack. It was the result of a man's hatred of the federal government for what he believed was injustice.
That is not the same by any stretch. Had he bombed the federal building in the name of Christ, I'm sure people would object to the construction of a church near the site. I'm Christian, and I acknowledge the insensitivity of an act like that--there is no doubt.
The attacks on 9/11 were done by radical Muslims in the name of Islam. It doesn't matter that not all Muslims are terrorists or that they constitutionally have the right to build it there. It's a sensitivity issue.
Even if OP got the story wrong, she/he is still right. If the situation was reversed it wouldn't be a "sensitivity issue".
HAHA you actually mentioned the point that disproves your argument dummy! key word: radical muslims.
see the distinction?