i dont judge anyone if they have sex before marrige, but i do think [acording to MY morals] it's wrong.
respect my opinion and i'll respect yours.
simple as that.
Agreed!
Seriously, those are my exact thoughts. IMO, it's wrong. I don't really want sex before marriage, but if other people want to get it on, go ahead. They shouldn't be judged, unless they judge you first ;)
I don't agree with you, but that's okay because neither of us are judging each other because we CAN have different opinions. The world would be a better place if everyone could state their opinions like you did.
if another country said that murder was ok, would you be alright with that? i don't think so. you'd probably try to share your beliefs and encourage others to follow them.
sorry, but how does sex before marriage compare to murder? They're both sins, sure, but murder is taking someone's LIFE, and that's really not a fair comparison.
right, but jumping to murder is just a little extreme in my opinion. It's not like having sex before marriage is morally the same as murder. Sorry if this offends anyone
As long as you are both over 18/same age, the law can't/doesn't say that it is illegal to have sex with someone. Unless you are over 18 and with a 16 year old. That is illegal. But it goes to YOUR personal morals and no one has to the right to question them or force you to change.
sex should be taken more seriously. it's dumb that in a country like this you see it EVERYWHERE. even in advertisements, and it seems so normal to just have sex when and with whatever you want.
i think you were made for one other person, and that's after marriage.
people from centuries back would be repulsed.
it's normal to have those thoughts, but you have to control your temptations.
Heaven forbid (no pun intended) that we have SEX... And even worse, BEFORE MARRIAGE!!1!j1j$@$ I MEAN IT WILL BE THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD ONCE WE START HAVING SEX AND NOT TELLING ANYONE ABOUT OUR SEX LIVES BECAUSE SOCIAL NORMS CLAIM THAT TALKING ABOUT YOUR SEX LIFE IS DISTURBING!%(#(()#$*()FMF(@)(@((
I like how everyone is like "let me have my own opinion!" and yet, everyone's comments who are red are voted down. Sorry that if I love someone, i'm gonna have sex with them. yeah, i understand where you are coming from and you are allowed to believe in that, and I have nothing against that. its awesome if you want to wait, but don't get mad at me if I don't want to. And just because I wouldn't wait until marriage doesn't mean i'd sleep around. everyone needs to chill
Most people think that they're ready but they're not. In the bible it says that sex before marriage leads to pain, emotionally or physically, which is true.
Then I won't. Having sex before marriage leads to pain, physically or emotionally, as some of us have experienced in real life, and if we haven't, we've read about it or watched it on tv.
I know plenty of people who have had sex before marriage. They're all perfectly fine. The people who experience "Pain" were probably feeling that before hand.
Are you stupid? The "pain" doesn't always have to be experienced emotionally. Of course, if someone says they love you and you have sex with them and then they don't call you back, you're going to experience emotional pain. The physical pain is pregnancy. If you don't get pregnant, you get STDs. Your friends could have AIDS or STDs and not know about it, or just don't feel like telling you.
Condoms can break, and some people, believe it or not, don't use them. If someone has a genital wart, the condom might not cover it, and you could still get the STD.
are you fucking serious? you can DEFINITELY have sex before marriage and be happy about it. sure, condoms break, people get pregnant, there are STDs, but believe it or not, it's actually possible to have premarital sex and the only consequence is....wait for it.... you orgasm.
I'm sure you can. I was explaining some of the consequences to having premarital sex because if you wait until you are married, some of them don't happen, or the consequences aren't as dire.
If you are in a faithful relationship, you don't have the risk of getting an STD and then giving it to someone else. Getting pregnant isn't normally a bad thing either when you're in a faithful marriage. It's not a sin, so you don't have to repent, AND there isn't an emotional effect, because you are in a committed relationship.
1.) if you're having sex you should be smart enough to make sure you know your partner doesn't have an STD. if they do, it's your own fault, but you can cure it, whatever, hopefully you learned your lesson. if not, you deserve what's coming to you.
2.)i know A LOT of people who don't believe in marriage, and some of them have children; they're fine.
3.)sin is a relative term specifically for christians, and most people aren't christian, (myself included), so that point isn't legitimate.
4.)it's possible to have sex and not get emotionally attached, trust me. if you're not ready, that's fine, but it's totally okay if you think you are BEFORE marriage and choose not to wait BECAUSE IT'S UP TO YOU AND NO ONE ELSE HAS SAY IN IT.
sidenote: 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce. so don't act like marriage somehow makes a relationship invincible. it's on equal footing with people who are not married.
1. I don't know how old you are, but it's probably pretty sad that you're sitting at your computer on a Sunday night arguing with a 14-year-old about sex before marriage.
2. It's pretty sad that you looked those stats up.
3. Those people that don't believe in marriage are fine right now, but won't be in heaven for a very, very long time.
4. To me, the point of sin is legitimate, so deal with it.
5. I'm not acting like marriage makes a relationship invincible. I feel that if you get married, you should be sure that it's going to work out. You should have been in a relationship with your partner for a long time, and your families and the CHURCH should be involved.
you are too. it took me two seconds; this magic thing called google. they don't believe in heaven, so they're fine. well it isn't to anyone else in the world, so try being factual next time; that argument will never hold up in the world. for you maybe, but believe it or not, not everyone in the world is wants to wait/is close to their family/is christian.
in fact, now that i know you're 14, i don't give a shit, because frankly, you don't know too much. i really hope you don't turn into a batshit bible-thumper when you grow up because if i'm correct, in the bible god said he should be the only one to judge and right now you're judging. so you're sinning. stop acting like everyone is identical in your beliefs. everyone is different, so just worry about yourself. hopefully you'll learn some shit from the world.
Right now, I'm not in the real world. I won't be in the real world for a few years and by then I'm pretty sure I'll be a lot more mature. I don't remember ever judging anyone. I'll repent later if I did, and because I believe in God I'm sure that He'll forgive me. If you don't believe in sins then you shouldn't be telling me that I'm sinning. It's called hypocrisy.
Just because you don't believe in Heaven, doesn't mean that you're not sinning.
I don't remember ever saying that everyone did. I said that people who have sex before marriage experience pain, and then I proved my point by saying that some people aren't ready for sex, get STDs, or get pregnant. Some people.
(awesomeperson):How can they ever know that they're really ready, then? I say, let people follow their hearts, and learn lessons they need to learn from experience. as for marriage, i'm sure many get married, thinking they're ready to commit...when in reality, they aren't and they don't.
When you're really ready you won't think about sex. You'll just know that you love the person unconditionally and don't care about sex. It's just a benefit from the marriage that you want because God wanted people to get married.
so, you had a cup of tea with God and chatted about these things, and the Almighty told you people should get married? what if a person loves another person dearly, and is ready, but does think about sex? certainly, it's a part of the equation.
but what if they aren't thinking about sex, and think that they're ready...so, they do it, only to realize that they weren't?
everyone has their own personal methods of determining readiness, right? and if they aren't ready, then they learn from it and become stronger people for it.
You're actually the only person on here that is making a sane point. God and I did have a chat, but instead of tea it was hot chocolate. But seriously, I read it in the BIBLE, the gift that he gave to us so we would know right from wrong. Of course everyone has their own methods of determining readiness. That readiness should be determined when a proposal for marriage is made.
It's only wrong if you have some religious or personal reason not to have sex and then it's only wrong for you personally. Not anyone else. Marriage doesn't make things any different for most people. Besides, most people wouldn't buy a top without trying it on to make sure it fits first would they?
ok, as for "trying on the top," marriage should be about emotional intimacy not sexual compatability. obviously, sex is a normal part of marriage, but not central to the relationship. I'm not AS apposed to sex with a fiance (i still don't think it's quite right, but at least it's commitment to the one person you'll be with forever). i find extreme beauty in that sort of consecration to a single other soul.
Despite what we'd like to believe, a bad sex life CAN ruin a marriage. I'm not saying go out and have sex with every person you date and make an opinion based on who's the best. I mean that if you are in love with someone and you both know you will end up married and all the rest, it doesn't hurt to experience them in a more intimate, physical way. Please no one persecute me for it, but I don't believe marriage in today's society means as much as it used to.
you stated that they "Know they'll end up married" but a lot of the time, it doesn't work out so well. so many people end up hurt when they think the other person loved them but they break up. it's better to be in a permanent, marital relationship.
Except marriage isn't permanent. Which is why I don't really think it means as much. You can get married and then in a few years, get a divorce. No different than if you are just in a commited relationship without a ring except the courts get involved.
but there is something special about marriage. or at least, people should value it more. "until death should do us part." it's supposed to be forever. maybe not every marriage works out that way, but at least you give your virginity away in an acceptable, pure way to a spouse whom you love.
In a way you deem acceptable. Or maybe some religion. Not everyone. In fact, less and less of the world. Besides, just because you're not married (or don't end up married) doesn't mean you are(were) not in love.
Let's say I get married, then lose my virginity to my spouse. Even if I'm not completely satisfied, we have all the time in the world to practice, without having to worry about either of us getting sick or pregnant. Waiting until after marriage automatically makes it safe.
But then if the marriage breaks down, what then? Will you never marry again because you're no longer a virgin? You could stay married but if it's an abusive relationship then you probably wouldn't want to, even if it is your religious beliefs. Or if your partner realised he/she was gay? Or what if you and your partner are gay? Depending on where you live you might not be allowed to get married at all. Should they then, not be allowed to have sex? All I'm saying is that it's not as simple as it being right or wrong.
I know that it's not just as simple as that, and I know that everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I know that as long as I wait, I will probably be in less danger of sickness, getting hurt, etc. If I end up coming to any of those problems (which is unlikely), then my husband and I will work it out.
If we stay faithful to each other, than we won't give each other an STD. I'm not saying being married solves all our problems, but it sure does make sex a heck of a lot easier. If we do end up getting pregnant, than that's fantastic, because we've started a family.
Wow, notice how all the No Way's are like an average of -7. That's pathetic, those people have a point. I don't think I'm waiting till marriage, but until I know I have a future with the guy, like after proposal maybe. If you're ready and you're doing it out of love, I say go ahead.
How people can agree with some of these comments just baffles me. You have no proof that you haven't been pressured into believing that sex before marriage is wrong. Who's to say it's not right, and we've just been lied into thinking it is. Just do whatever the fuck you want. It's not like people even care about marriage anymore (which i find a terrible thing). People just go and get married, then divorced. Most people find that okay, yet thats far worse than just having sex.
Sex happened hundreds of years ago too. It wasn't in polite society to talk about your sex life. Stop acting like they thought it was unholy. Stop being "holier than thou".
You completely missed the point of this. SEX HAPPENED. People cheated, and had sex with others. Not as common as today, but it happened. It wasn't in polite society to talk about it. Your reply was irrelevant. How is it wrong? Not everyone follows God or the Bible. I follow God, and his commandements, but not the bible. So I don't believe sex before marriage is wrong.
to follow god is to follow the bible. It is his word. And i do acknowledge that people did immoral things a long time ago, but god forbids it. you claim to follow the commandments? take another look at number 7.
I don't believe in organized religion. I believe in having a "relationship" with Him. Adultery is having EXTRAMARITAL (meaning outside of your marriage while in one) sex.
PS: Plus there are really sketch things in the bible. I don't have a religion. I'm more into the spiritual side. I don't believe I have to put a title on myself when I can simply believe.
I, too, have a personal relationship with god. but i want you to answer this question: do you truly believe that god would be alright with premarital sex?
Okay with it? Look, I think it's just a human function that we can control. Yes, the purpose is reproduction, but all that aside, it's just something "fun" to do. It doesn't show your love, but it's giving up a more personal side of you, a private side of you to your loved one. I dont think God would be angry that we want to share this with the one we love.
well, absolutely give it to the person that you love... and are married to! It's not just a "fun thing to do," it's an intimate act that should be shared with a spouse. you should have an emotional connection to a person and not just do it for fun. and the bible does say that it's wrong. A lot of people don't count that as a valid argument, so i'll just say that it's wrong because you can be emotionally and physically harmed, as well as risking STD's, pregnancies, etc.
Yeah i worded that poorly. I meant like, if you did it, it doesn't mean you love someone. Obviously people nowadays are just throwing it around with whoever. That's stupid. Yeah, I agree its something intimate, thats what I meant with a more private side of you. That's what I meant. Sorry for the miscommunication.
Physically harmed? nah, don't do it rough ;) emotionally: like you said, has to be with that special someone that you love. but remember, you can always fall out of love. and i guess with all the protection around its just become more of a common thing.
i agree that it is intimate, and i don't think that people value it as much as they should. but protection shouldn't be a reason to give away purity and morality.
Sex is only wrong if it's before you're ready. Some people aren't ready until they're married. Some people are ready when they're in love. And others still don't even care and just want to screw. When it comes to sex, as long as you don't regret it, it's okay.
I'm a senior in high school and I know many people who choose to have sex and many people who choose not to. It's not necessarily a matter of right and wrong. You as an individual have to develop your own set of morals and beliefs and act according to these morals. As long as you can look in the mirror and be happy with the person you see looking back it's not my place to judge you. I personally have grown up in a religious family and know that I will wait until marriage. I do not believe that I am emotionally ready for sex and still have maturing to do. I also think it's a much more special relationship if you know that you and your spouse have never had sex with anyone else but each other. But you can make your own decisions as long as you can live with yourself it's not my place to judge.
Anyways, this is ironic because most people in society would say sex BEFORE marriage is wrong. Saying this isn't going against society, it is going for it.
Honestly, I wouldn't care either way. I believe it depends on the relationship, stability, and not just going "hey let's have sex since it's been a month". I don't think you should get married because you want sex, in fact, I believe you don't need to get married at all to still be committed, loving, and all of the rest. And to rely on legal documents so you make sure your partner won't leave you easier isn't love.
couldn't this go the other way? no matter WHAT religious people pressure you into believing sex is up to you.
i mean really, sex is something private and no one should think they have any say in someone elses' (CERTAINLY not a strangers) sex life. if someone chooses to have sex with someone before marriage, that's up to them, and if someone chooses to wait, that's fine too.
THIS IS NOBODY'S BUSINESS. why the fuck are people so concerned about this?! if someone chooses to 'sin' or whatever you want to call it that's between them and 'god'. i mean really, just think about yourselves and choose what you want to do, but don't act like you're better than others if they have different beliefs. that's called BIGOTRY.
e@684251 (thePretender): even if you did have sex with someone you care about, you could still regret it...and all the more so, because you do, indeed, care about him or her...
i must ask all of you people: why is it so bad to have sex before marriage?? i really don't understand the reasoning, and need a clear-cut answer...
Who knows? Homosexuality isn't wrong. The world isn't 6,000 years old. The Bible has been wrong before, so maybe sex before marriage is another one of those things. But no one can disagree that abstinence can potentially save you from a real shitstorm of trouble.
pardon me... but you just stated an opinion as though it's been proven. it's like saying, "after years of research, scientists have concluded that homosexuality, is, indeed, alright." you cannot prove an opinion. it doesn't work that way. and i've yet to see sufficient evidence about the age of the earth being greater than 6,000.
pardon me... but you just implied my opinion is wrong because it hasn't yet been proven. it's like saying, "after years of research, scientists have concluded that society is still too dull-minded to make its own opinion out of anything, and has to rely on the way its always been done just to formulate a complete thought. therefore, homosexuality is still, indeed, NOT alright."
And your second thought was so unintelligible that I'm just going to ignore it.
argue it, why don't you? Carbon dating is inaccurate. Archaeology supports the bible. even archaeologists who aren't christian are validating their finds by the bible and vice versa. Manuscripts support it. Statistics support it. fulfilled prophecies. Carbon dating may find CONSISTANT results, but we have absolutely no way of knowing their ACCURACY and TRUTH. that's where the bible comes in. Counter, please?
Apologies on getting involved in an other's argument, but I couldn't let this stand. Carbon dating is not inaccurate, Archaeology doesn't support the bible. The bible is closer to fiction than anything Scientific that currently exists on earth. Maybe you should do some actual research.
ok, how would scientists be able to determine the scale of carbon dating. it's an exponential graph of half-lifes, right? well since we have no standard and no way of validating it, it can't be proven. And theres just too much evidence to deny the occurances mentioned in the bible.
Usually I would come up with some lengthy reply proving you completly and ultimatly wrong and how your concepts on life itself are based on illusions but right now I just cant be bothered so remind me in a few days Ill get back to you.
heres another thing(fyi i didnt read all the comments,just the beginning) but what about homosexuals? it is really hard for them to get married, so if they legally cant, that means they can never have sex which isnt fair for them versus a straight couple and dont even get fucking started on homosexuals being against the bible, gay isnt a chose, hate is. so shut the fuck up unless you want my foot in your ass p.s. sorry for poor grammar but i wrote this on my phone
It's wrong to love someone? It's wrong to be sexually attracted to a member of the same sex? How can something that isn't a choice be wrong? It's NATURAL. There are tons of homosexual or bisexual animals.
They can't change that they are gay, and why should they? People like you are ruining the lives of innocent people. They don't need your hate, you don't need to condemn their actions, it will change nothing and you are only making it harder for people. And don't say I'm putting the words in your mouth, I'm speaking for all the ignorant people who can't freaking get this through their minds.
what the hell??? grow up, why don't you, and accept the fact that people can have different opinions than you without looking for attention or argument.
Maybe no sex before marriage is a little extreme. The fact that we're pressured into thinking people need sex every night is wrong but we live in the age of condoms. Come on.
i wasn't referring to the severity of the crime, just the fact that it is wrong. it's indescribably disgusting to think that someone would be alright with legalized murder. if you know that something is wrong, i should hope that you stand up and fight for it!
what's right and what's wrong is all a matter of opinion. what if the bible said murder was completely acceptable? i mean, god did tell abraham to kill his own son just to test his loyalty (according to the bible anyway. who even knows if that really happened). that, in my opinion, is wrong. following a book because someone TOLD you it says all truths. tell me this, how do YOU know personally that everything the bible says is the truth?
faith. but that's not to say there isn't more tangible proof. there are manuscripts, archaelogical finds, fulfilled prophecies, and astounding statistics to show the truth of the bible and the existence of Jesus Christ.
Dogs have sex before marriage. You know why? Instincts. Humans have these same instincts: we have sex and the human race lives on. But, of course, we humans decide it's immoral to have sex before marriage. Who decided it? I didn't. You didn't. And if the Bible said that everyone should have sex until marriage, this post would say: "Not having sex before marriage is wrong!"
You're right; you know why? Who gets to decide what the best way to live your life is? Huh? The government? That isn't the government's responsibility. How about our Creator? Shouldn't He decide what the rules are?
I'm not saying it's GOOD to have sex before marriage, but it's definitely not WRONG. OOOH NOES! PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL JUST FOR HAVING A GOOD TIME111oneoneone!!! Yeah no.
umm you DID put words into peoples mouth last time i checked. the OP never said anything about hell. yes, i know you're gonna say, "god, it's just sarcasm!" but don't claim you didn't say something when, in fact, you did, sarcastic or not. it makes you look immature.
Close. Take Ant, deform his face, give him the Elder Wand, make him a mass murderer, give him wizard powers, and pit him against Harry Potter. THEN I'm talking about Ant.
then let me tell YOU now, you are going to hell. Who are you to judge others? Jesus said
"one who is with out sin, let them be the first to cast the stone" when people were stoning that lady.
You have no right to tell people they will go to hell, even if our morals are the same, I dissagree with you on that
Where did I judge? Did I judge anyone? Have I said anyone is worse than anyone else? No? Then where did you get the idea that I judged someone? In fact, you were the one who judged. "then let me tell YOU now, you are going to hell."
What, are you saying I'm not a Christian? That's a judgement. Saying something is a sin isn't a judgement. Basically, in my post, I said that sex before marriage is a sin (because it is) and that all sinners are going to hell. Where did I judge? That is STRAIGHT from the Bible. People today don't realize that they are sinning. Homosexuality IS a sin. Until people recognize that, they are hell-bound.
Go ahead, interpret all this as a judge, but if you do that, then you are sad, indeed.
Not all sinners are going to hell. EVERYONE sins. Including you. It's the people who ACCEPT forgiveness and LOVE God that go to heaven. Even if people are Christians they are still sinners. Heaven isn't for good people. It's for forgiven people. Maybe instead of trying to fight and prove people wrong, you'll share God's love more. That's what it's all about. Giving glory to God and spreading His love. Not proving your point.
I'm not sending anyone to hell. If you had premarital sex, yeah, you're going to hell, no doubt.
Have fun burning for all eternity. Btw, did you know that you won't be able to interact with anyone? It'll be eternal darkness. Sounds fun.
You have one alternative to eternal damnation: repentance.
What if you are a rape victim then?
And how are you sure about that? Been there yourself? Oh well, I sleep better in the dark anyhow.
I would rather suffer damnation then repentance any day since I am personally(For myself) against religion and do not believe in a God. But that is just me, and that doesn't make me a bad person unlike you, who keeps forcing your thoughts and 'facts' from the Bible on people.
We don't want to hear your thoughts on the bible anymore, so please let us have some peace of mind without going through the Bible.
But that just might be my opinion. Even then, I'm entitled to it.
It doesn't say that all sinners as going to hell. Actually, I seem to remember that in the bible it says that EVERYONE is born into sin, and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Now I'm not saying that this is true, just making sure everyone knows what it actually says. Now, in my opinion, you should only have sex when your ready, and only you can decide when your ready, nobody, and nothing else, and that it should be with the person you love, not just going around fucking averaging with a heartbeat
What Bible are you reading?
May I completely destroy the lies you wrote? I'm doing it anyways:
The entire point of the New Testament is that everyone is a sinner. EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO EVER EXIST. Besides Jesus, of course. Now, it also says, in no uncertain terms, mind you, that every sinner is going to hell. EVERY SINGLE SINNER. Now, is that me, or is that everyone?
Then, in John 3:16, it tells how God sent us His Son to die for our sins. Jesus HAD to live a perfect life for that to work. He was sinless. Now, because Jesus bridged the gap between sin and God, sinners are allowed into heaven. But ONLY if they accept salvation. That is the <i>ONLY</i> (Yes I know that isn't italics. That is for emphasis) way into heaven. ONLY.
Premarital sex IS a sin. I don't care about your opinions; the Bible, inspired by our Creator, tells us to save it for marriage. Which is what I'm planning to do.
Are you a Christian? Do you know what the Bible says? Obviously not.
Any sin will keep a human out of heaven. Premarital sex is a sin. Transitive property, premarital or extramarital sex WILL keep you out of heaven.
Exactly
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
1 John 1:9
So just go read the Bible and memorize some verses,
by the way, what makes you think that you're sinless?
You're sinning right now by spreading lies that if you commit one sin then you'd go face Hell alone.
Go read the Bible and actually learn about it.
Where did I say I was sinless. Go ahead, find it. In fact, where have I ever said I was better than anyone? Go on. You said I said it. Or are you a liar?
It can be implied,
and plus that entire conversation you just made me read make me think you're just full of yourself and you think you ARE sinless
"I'll say it right now; anyone who has sex before marriage is going to hell."
"Premarital sex is a sin. Transitive property, premarital or extramarital sex WILL keep you out of heaven. "
and it doesn't have to be the concept of sex, the way you say it makes everyone think that you think that you are sinless and perfect
You are impossibly stupid. Nobody educated on the subject disagrees of Jesus's existence. Are you proposing that you're right and everyone else is wrong? Woah, coming from someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about.
Give me some "facts" or "evidence" for evolution. I mean trans-species evolution. Go. I'll time you.
Give me some "facts" or "evidence" for the Christian god, the truthfulness of the bible, or the resurrection of Christ. Go. I'll time you.
And BTW, trans species evolution by the well-known process of natural selection seems a lot more likely to me then some dude in the sky willing everything into existence in 7 days.
Technically, the bible says he created it in 6 days and rested on the 7th, but I've always wondered what exactly they meant by that. Jupiter days? Pluto days? Metaphorically-given-and-not-to-be-taken-literally days?
It really doesn't really matter, these are just millenia-old myths explaining what we can now explain through science. And if our theories are wrong, the beauty of science is that we can change them to fit new evidence.
Yeah, I agree that people take the stories in the bible way, way too seriously. And I love what we can discover about the world through curious and uninhibited eyes. I kinda want to be around when we reach that planet in the Goldilocks zone.
No, it says, clear as day, DUSK THEN DAWN DAY 2.
I don't understand how people can misinterpret that.
Here's an excerpt from my Bible:
"Evening came, then morning: the first day.
Then God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters, separating water from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above the expanse. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky." Evening came, and then morning: the second day."
Can it be any more apparent that this was a literal, 24 hour day?
Hon, we've gone over this already. I'm not Christian. We could point out flaws in each other's beliefs until we die, but it doesn't make either of us any more right or wrong. I believe what I believe, and you obviously believe different. Let it be.
I took day and night symbolically, even when I was Christian, since God is supposed to be ageless and omnipresent, so he could create Earth in however long a time period he wanted, afterward explaining to the writers in ways that wouldn't completely blow their minds at the time.
I'm saying you CAN'T take it like that. You can't pick and choose what to believe. It doesn't work that way. Also, Christianity is a lifetime commitment. If you aren't now, you never were.
My great aunt used to consider herself a Christian. Probably never was.
But the bible is explicitly clear- it was six literal days.
Have you read Genesis one? Because i was a little wrong. My Bible says "evening came, then morning: the X day."
It wasn't sunset, just evening to morning. And before that, God said "Let there be light," then He separates night from day, THEN it's day two.
Lets start with humans and chimpanzees having 98% the same DNA. After that we get the numerous examples of transitional fossils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...tional_fossils
And the complete lack of any evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed (which would be impossible in a biblical model because they were created on the same day) , and we have pretty compelling case for evolution, amirite?
Wait, you're saying that dinosaurs and humans never coexisted?
Why, then, are there dinosaur footprints with humans'?
And why, then, are there accurate cave-drawings of "dragons" extraordinarily closely resembling a dinosaur?
This site is full of them: http://www.creationists.org/din...s-and-art.html
That wikipedia article doesn't exist, genius. Click the link.
Thus far, all you've said is, evidence for a common designer, broken link, a lie, and then that's considered evidence. That is a strong case, my friend.
The link got messed up when i was fixing the grammar of my post. Here's the real one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...tional_fossils
And by the way, your link is broken too. as for human and dinosaur footprints being together, imagine a prehistoric version of this: http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/t...;amp;index=ch1the cave drawings, the prehistoric peoples would have seen dinosaur fossils, and probably worshiped them as gods, giving them attributes like fire-breathing, flying, etc. Mammoths, who they hunted, were given none of these attributes. And you still haven't given me a shred of evidence, and you fail to realize the burden of proof still lays on you because you are the one making an unfalsifiable claim, not me.
Cool, Jesus lived. He never argued with anyone and called them "impossibly stupid".
Try expressing God's love more. Telling someone they're going to hell wont get you anywhere.
Give me evidence for a magician, besides a book of stories. And they're called fossils, retard. And 2 chromosomes away from a chimpanzee? You're right. Coincidence I guess.
See I'm not all for sex before marriage but it's someone else's choice not mine. My choice is not to have sex before marriage but that wasn't my parents so if everyone listened to that I wouldn't be here :P, I still don't plan on it though.
What you do and don't do before marriage is your choice. I do believe however that you should only have sex when you're mentally and physically ready. Sex isn't for high school though, and it should only be done when you're old enough to realize how beautiful it is to share that with someone who you really love.
Try telling that to animals. Sorry, but if you think about it, marriage is sort of unnatural. I'm not saying that I agree, but the main purpose of "survival of the fittest" is to have sex with a LOT of people to have a LOT of babies, and then die. The end.
first of all: this poster is a huge troll
second off all: im going to comment anyway. its not excatly "wrong" but its still probably better to save it for marriage because so many people end up regretting sex and thats reeeally something you dont want to regret. so wait for a loving husband who will be yours forever :) plus, it will be more special and it will be safer.
if you wait until marriage, you will KNOW thats its a good decision and there will be no doubt and that he will love you for sure and not just for sex. you can never be too sure with guys but this is your best bet :)
I was best friends with my current boyfriend for two years. We've been dating for a year now and we've had sex. We were both virgins, so we're both safe. And it wasn't any less special because we weren't married. We waited for the right person. He feels right for me. If I don't marry him, I know I will never regret losing my virginity to him. He's a great person. He's good to me, my sisters and he gives my single mom money when she needs it.
Today, getting married does not guarantee you will be together forever, so that isn't even an argument.
Just because you lose your virginity before marriage doesn't mean you'll apply to all these things. :3
ok, first of all, i wasn't trolling (I'm the OP, by the way). It's what i believe, and just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that i'm just trying to get attention. this is truly how i feel about this topic.
Thank God I'm not alone here.
It goes against the Bible to have sex before marriage. That's all there is to it. So if you are a beleiver of God, then you won't do it.
Besides, when you think about it reasonably... who wants to be with someone who has had sex with 20 other people? That's nasty!
I hate it when Christians assume believing in God means THEIR god. There are many ideas of who or what God is. The bible also promots slavery and sexism....
And 20 other people? So, basicaly, we have a choice between waiting until marriage or doing it with 20 other people? Did you know that there are numbers under 20? How reasonable of you :D
So people who have sex before marriage are unlovable...? Nice, that's godly of you :P
I'm waiting, but that's MY choice. I'm not deciding it's right for everyone.
um.. yeah. it is wrong. a hundred years ago if people were talking the way all these comments are talking, people would be disgusted. just goes to show that society has become too comfortable with immorality, but that doesn't change the fact that it's WRONG.
A hundred years ago if a white man married a black woman, people would be disgusted. Just because an idea is old does not make it better.
Of course you are entitled to make your own decisions about sex, but I think it's presumptuous to tell other people that their life decisions are wrong.
that metaphor is a pathetic representation of human beings. Don't you see the value of purity, consecration, and morality??? i do. cars cannot portray our complexity and the value of our ethicality.
Sex before marriage is wrong. having sex before marriage messes up God's ulitmate plan for us. Sex is meant to foreshadow our unity with God in heaven and to bring life into the world, not simply for pleasure. Living a life of chastity is not terrible like people think - it's just waiting for marriage to have sex - it's actually great! Have some temperance people!!!
also, abortion is terrible, cruel, heartless murder. (just thought i'd add this in because sex before marriage can lead to abortions...)
i dont judge anyone if they have sex before marrige, but i do think [acording to MY morals] it's wrong.
respect my opinion and i'll respect yours.
simple as that.
i agree completely
Agreed. I don't think it's wrong, but I'm not going to be an asshole to you just because our thoughts differ. :|
Agreed!
Seriously, those are my exact thoughts. IMO, it's wrong. I don't really want sex before marriage, but if other people want to get it on, go ahead. They shouldn't be judged, unless they judge you first ;)
I don't agree with you, but that's okay because neither of us are judging each other because we CAN have different opinions. The world would be a better place if everyone could state their opinions like you did.
I agree so much. Its fine if you want to wait, but don't tell me when I should do it.
you're so right.
if another country said that murder was ok, would you be alright with that? i don't think so. you'd probably try to share your beliefs and encourage others to follow them.
sorry, but how does sex before marriage compare to murder? They're both sins, sure, but murder is taking someone's LIFE, and that's really not a fair comparison.
it's a metaphor showing the connection between ethicality and legality.
right, but jumping to murder is just a little extreme in my opinion. It's not like having sex before marriage is morally the same as murder. Sorry if this offends anyone
As long as you are both over 18/same age, the law can't/doesn't say that it is illegal to have sex with someone. Unless you are over 18 and with a 16 year old. That is illegal. But it goes to YOUR personal morals and no one has to the right to question them or force you to change.
that's what i mean. i mean that some things which are morally unacceptable are allowed by the government.
sex should be taken more seriously. it's dumb that in a country like this you see it EVERYWHERE. even in advertisements, and it seems so normal to just have sex when and with whatever you want.
i think you were made for one other person, and that's after marriage.
people from centuries back would be repulsed.
it's normal to have those thoughts, but you have to control your temptations.
AMEN!
but unfortunately society has changed just a little bit from then to now, we would be repulsed with some of their ideals aswell im sure.
Heaven forbid (no pun intended) that we have SEX... And even worse, BEFORE MARRIAGE!!1!j1j$@$ I MEAN IT WILL BE THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD ONCE WE START HAVING SEX AND NOT TELLING ANYONE ABOUT OUR SEX LIVES BECAUSE SOCIAL NORMS CLAIM THAT TALKING ABOUT YOUR SEX LIFE IS DISTURBING!%(#(()#$*()FMF(@)(@((
How is it @683763 (TailsTurrosaki): Stole the words right out of my mouth.
I like how everyone is like "let me have my own opinion!" and yet, everyone's comments who are red are voted down. Sorry that if I love someone, i'm gonna have sex with them. yeah, i understand where you are coming from and you are allowed to believe in that, and I have nothing against that. its awesome if you want to wait, but don't get mad at me if I don't want to. And just because I wouldn't wait until marriage doesn't mean i'd sleep around. everyone needs to chill
How is it wrong? If two people love each other and are ready, why shouldn't they?
Most people think that they're ready but they're not. In the bible it says that sex before marriage leads to pain, emotionally or physically, which is true.
Not everyone believes in the bible moron. Stop using religion as an argument.
Then I won't. Having sex before marriage leads to pain, physically or emotionally, as some of us have experienced in real life, and if we haven't, we've read about it or watched it on tv.
I know plenty of people who have had sex before marriage. They're all perfectly fine. The people who experience "Pain" were probably feeling that before hand.
Are you stupid? The "pain" doesn't always have to be experienced emotionally. Of course, if someone says they love you and you have sex with them and then they don't call you back, you're going to experience emotional pain. The physical pain is pregnancy. If you don't get pregnant, you get STDs. Your friends could have AIDS or STDs and not know about it, or just don't feel like telling you.
Condoms can break, and some people, believe it or not, don't use them. If someone has a genital wart, the condom might not cover it, and you could still get the STD.
are you fucking serious? you can DEFINITELY have sex before marriage and be happy about it. sure, condoms break, people get pregnant, there are STDs, but believe it or not, it's actually possible to have premarital sex and the only consequence is....wait for it.... you orgasm.
crazy stuff, i know.
I'm sure you can. I was explaining some of the consequences to having premarital sex because if you wait until you are married, some of them don't happen, or the consequences aren't as dire.
no, i'm pretty sure you run the same risk having sex before marriage as you do after.
If you are in a faithful relationship, you don't have the risk of getting an STD and then giving it to someone else. Getting pregnant isn't normally a bad thing either when you're in a faithful marriage. It's not a sin, so you don't have to repent, AND there isn't an emotional effect, because you are in a committed relationship.
1.) if you're having sex you should be smart enough to make sure you know your partner doesn't have an STD. if they do, it's your own fault, but you can cure it, whatever, hopefully you learned your lesson. if not, you deserve what's coming to you.
2.)i know A LOT of people who don't believe in marriage, and some of them have children; they're fine.
3.)sin is a relative term specifically for christians, and most people aren't christian, (myself included), so that point isn't legitimate.
4.)it's possible to have sex and not get emotionally attached, trust me. if you're not ready, that's fine, but it's totally okay if you think you are BEFORE marriage and choose not to wait BECAUSE IT'S UP TO YOU AND NO ONE ELSE HAS SAY IN IT.
sidenote: 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce. so don't act like marriage somehow makes a relationship invincible. it's on equal footing with people who are not married.
1. I don't know how old you are, but it's probably pretty sad that you're sitting at your computer on a Sunday night arguing with a 14-year-old about sex before marriage.
2. It's pretty sad that you looked those stats up.
3. Those people that don't believe in marriage are fine right now, but won't be in heaven for a very, very long time.
4. To me, the point of sin is legitimate, so deal with it.
5. I'm not acting like marriage makes a relationship invincible. I feel that if you get married, you should be sure that it's going to work out. You should have been in a relationship with your partner for a long time, and your families and the CHURCH should be involved.
you are too. it took me two seconds; this magic thing called google. they don't believe in heaven, so they're fine. well it isn't to anyone else in the world, so try being factual next time; that argument will never hold up in the world. for you maybe, but believe it or not, not everyone in the world is wants to wait/is close to their family/is christian.
in fact, now that i know you're 14, i don't give a shit, because frankly, you don't know too much. i really hope you don't turn into a batshit bible-thumper when you grow up because if i'm correct, in the bible god said he should be the only one to judge and right now you're judging. so you're sinning. stop acting like everyone is identical in your beliefs. everyone is different, so just worry about yourself. hopefully you'll learn some shit from the world.
Right now, I'm not in the real world. I won't be in the real world for a few years and by then I'm pretty sure I'll be a lot more mature. I don't remember ever judging anyone. I'll repent later if I did, and because I believe in God I'm sure that He'll forgive me. If you don't believe in sins then you shouldn't be telling me that I'm sinning. It's called hypocrisy.
Just because you don't believe in Heaven, doesn't mean that you're not sinning.
If you have sex, you will get pregnant, and DIE
I don't remember ever saying that everyone did. I said that people who have sex before marriage experience pain, and then I proved my point by saying that some people aren't ready for sex, get STDs, or get pregnant. Some people.
Oh, well excuse me. But I don't say ALL THE PEOPLE. I just said people. In general, people. In my mind, when I say people, I mean SOME PEOPLE.
Well, now I know to clarify.
(awesomeperson):How can they ever know that they're really ready, then? I say, let people follow their hearts, and learn lessons they need to learn from experience. as for marriage, i'm sure many get married, thinking they're ready to commit...when in reality, they aren't and they don't.
When you're really ready you won't think about sex. You'll just know that you love the person unconditionally and don't care about sex. It's just a benefit from the marriage that you want because God wanted people to get married.
so, you had a cup of tea with God and chatted about these things, and the Almighty told you people should get married? what if a person loves another person dearly, and is ready, but does think about sex? certainly, it's a part of the equation.
but what if they aren't thinking about sex, and think that they're ready...so, they do it, only to realize that they weren't?
everyone has their own personal methods of determining readiness, right? and if they aren't ready, then they learn from it and become stronger people for it.
You're actually the only person on here that is making a sane point. God and I did have a chat, but instead of tea it was hot chocolate. But seriously, I read it in the BIBLE, the gift that he gave to us so we would know right from wrong. Of course everyone has their own methods of determining readiness. That readiness should be determined when a proposal for marriage is made.
okay, i respect your opinion. ^.^
Thanks, I respect yours too.
"Sex before marriage is FINE, no matter what religion pressures us to believe, amirite?"
Fix'd.
It's only wrong if you have some religious or personal reason not to have sex and then it's only wrong for you personally. Not anyone else. Marriage doesn't make things any different for most people. Besides, most people wouldn't buy a top without trying it on to make sure it fits first would they?
ok, as for "trying on the top," marriage should be about emotional intimacy not sexual compatability. obviously, sex is a normal part of marriage, but not central to the relationship. I'm not AS apposed to sex with a fiance (i still don't think it's quite right, but at least it's commitment to the one person you'll be with forever). i find extreme beauty in that sort of consecration to a single other soul.
Despite what we'd like to believe, a bad sex life CAN ruin a marriage. I'm not saying go out and have sex with every person you date and make an opinion based on who's the best. I mean that if you are in love with someone and you both know you will end up married and all the rest, it doesn't hurt to experience them in a more intimate, physical way. Please no one persecute me for it, but I don't believe marriage in today's society means as much as it used to.
you stated that they "Know they'll end up married" but a lot of the time, it doesn't work out so well. so many people end up hurt when they think the other person loved them but they break up. it's better to be in a permanent, marital relationship.
Except marriage isn't permanent. Which is why I don't really think it means as much. You can get married and then in a few years, get a divorce. No different than if you are just in a commited relationship without a ring except the courts get involved.
but there is something special about marriage. or at least, people should value it more. "until death should do us part." it's supposed to be forever. maybe not every marriage works out that way, but at least you give your virginity away in an acceptable, pure way to a spouse whom you love.
In a way you deem acceptable. Or maybe some religion. Not everyone. In fact, less and less of the world. Besides, just because you're not married (or don't end up married) doesn't mean you are(were) not in love.
Let's say I get married, then lose my virginity to my spouse. Even if I'm not completely satisfied, we have all the time in the world to practice, without having to worry about either of us getting sick or pregnant. Waiting until after marriage automatically makes it safe.
But then if the marriage breaks down, what then? Will you never marry again because you're no longer a virgin? You could stay married but if it's an abusive relationship then you probably wouldn't want to, even if it is your religious beliefs. Or if your partner realised he/she was gay? Or what if you and your partner are gay? Depending on where you live you might not be allowed to get married at all. Should they then, not be allowed to have sex? All I'm saying is that it's not as simple as it being right or wrong.
I know that it's not just as simple as that, and I know that everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I know that as long as I wait, I will probably be in less danger of sickness, getting hurt, etc. If I end up coming to any of those problems (which is unlikely), then my husband and I will work it out.
So just cuz your married, you won't get pregnant or sick? What?
If we stay faithful to each other, than we won't give each other an STD. I'm not saying being married solves all our problems, but it sure does make sex a heck of a lot easier. If we do end up getting pregnant, than that's fantastic, because we've started a family.
go away.
Wow, notice how all the No Way's are like an average of -7. That's pathetic, those people have a point. I don't think I'm waiting till marriage, but until I know I have a future with the guy, like after proposal maybe. If you're ready and you're doing it out of love, I say go ahead.
I don't think it's wrong to have sex before marriage. But I do think you should know and love the person, not just have a one night stand.
How people can agree with some of these comments just baffles me. You have no proof that you haven't been pressured into believing that sex before marriage is wrong. Who's to say it's not right, and we've just been lied into thinking it is. Just do whatever the fuck you want. It's not like people even care about marriage anymore (which i find a terrible thing). People just go and get married, then divorced. Most people find that okay, yet thats far worse than just having sex.
Sex happened hundreds of years ago too. It wasn't in polite society to talk about your sex life. Stop acting like they thought it was unholy. Stop being "holier than thou".
sex isn't bad as long as it's AFTER marriage. it's perfectly normal and a part of life, but it's wrong if it's not with a spouse.
to follow god is to follow the bible. It is his word. And i do acknowledge that people did immoral things a long time ago, but god forbids it. you claim to follow the commandments? take another look at number 7.
I don't believe in organized religion. I believe in having a "relationship" with Him. Adultery is having EXTRAMARITAL (meaning outside of your marriage while in one) sex.
PS: Plus there are really sketch things in the bible. I don't have a religion. I'm more into the spiritual side. I don't believe I have to put a title on myself when I can simply believe.
I, too, have a personal relationship with god. but i want you to answer this question: do you truly believe that god would be alright with premarital sex?
Okay with it? Look, I think it's just a human function that we can control. Yes, the purpose is reproduction, but all that aside, it's just something "fun" to do. It doesn't show your love, but it's giving up a more personal side of you, a private side of you to your loved one. I dont think God would be angry that we want to share this with the one we love.
well, absolutely give it to the person that you love... and are married to! It's not just a "fun thing to do," it's an intimate act that should be shared with a spouse. you should have an emotional connection to a person and not just do it for fun. and the bible does say that it's wrong. A lot of people don't count that as a valid argument, so i'll just say that it's wrong because you can be emotionally and physically harmed, as well as risking STD's, pregnancies, etc.
Yeah i worded that poorly. I meant like, if you did it, it doesn't mean you love someone. Obviously people nowadays are just throwing it around with whoever. That's stupid. Yeah, I agree its something intimate, thats what I meant with a more private side of you. That's what I meant. Sorry for the miscommunication.
Physically harmed? nah, don't do it rough ;) emotionally: like you said, has to be with that special someone that you love. but remember, you can always fall out of love. and i guess with all the protection around its just become more of a common thing.
i agree that it is intimate, and i don't think that people value it as much as they should. but protection shouldn't be a reason to give away purity and morality.
why wouldn't he be? What EXACTLY is so wrong with sex before marriage?
Sex is only wrong if it's before you're ready. Some people aren't ready until they're married. Some people are ready when they're in love. And others still don't even care and just want to screw. When it comes to sex, as long as you don't regret it, it's okay.
I say just do it safely
I'm a senior in high school and I know many people who choose to have sex and many people who choose not to. It's not necessarily a matter of right and wrong. You as an individual have to develop your own set of morals and beliefs and act according to these morals. As long as you can look in the mirror and be happy with the person you see looking back it's not my place to judge you. I personally have grown up in a religious family and know that I will wait until marriage. I do not believe that I am emotionally ready for sex and still have maturing to do. I also think it's a much more special relationship if you know that you and your spouse have never had sex with anyone else but each other. But you can make your own decisions as long as you can live with yourself it's not my place to judge.
Anyways, this is ironic because most people in society would say sex BEFORE marriage is wrong. Saying this isn't going against society, it is going for it.
Honestly, I wouldn't care either way. I believe it depends on the relationship, stability, and not just going "hey let's have sex since it's been a month". I don't think you should get married because you want sex, in fact, I believe you don't need to get married at all to still be committed, loving, and all of the rest. And to rely on legal documents so you make sure your partner won't leave you easier isn't love.
couldn't this go the other way? no matter WHAT religious people pressure you into believing sex is up to you.
i mean really, sex is something private and no one should think they have any say in someone elses' (CERTAINLY not a strangers) sex life. if someone chooses to have sex with someone before marriage, that's up to them, and if someone chooses to wait, that's fine too.
THIS IS NOBODY'S BUSINESS. why the fuck are people so concerned about this?! if someone chooses to 'sin' or whatever you want to call it that's between them and 'god'. i mean really, just think about yourselves and choose what you want to do, but don't act like you're better than others if they have different beliefs. that's called BIGOTRY.
If you do decide to do it before marriage, do it with someone you care about, so you won't regret it later on.
e@684251 (thePretender): even if you did have sex with someone you care about, you could still regret it...and all the more so, because you do, indeed, care about him or her...
i must ask all of you people: why is it so bad to have sex before marriage?? i really don't understand the reasoning, and need a clear-cut answer...
Who knows? Homosexuality isn't wrong. The world isn't 6,000 years old. The Bible has been wrong before, so maybe sex before marriage is another one of those things. But no one can disagree that abstinence can potentially save you from a real shitstorm of trouble.
pardon me... but you just stated an opinion as though it's been proven. it's like saying, "after years of research, scientists have concluded that homosexuality, is, indeed, alright." you cannot prove an opinion. it doesn't work that way. and i've yet to see sufficient evidence about the age of the earth being greater than 6,000.
pardon me... but you just implied my opinion is wrong because it hasn't yet been proven. it's like saying, "after years of research, scientists have concluded that society is still too dull-minded to make its own opinion out of anything, and has to rely on the way its always been done just to formulate a complete thought. therefore, homosexuality is still, indeed, NOT alright."
And your second thought was so unintelligible that I'm just going to ignore it.
argue it, why don't you? Carbon dating is inaccurate. Archaeology supports the bible. even archaeologists who aren't christian are validating their finds by the bible and vice versa. Manuscripts support it. Statistics support it. fulfilled prophecies. Carbon dating may find CONSISTANT results, but we have absolutely no way of knowing their ACCURACY and TRUTH. that's where the bible comes in. Counter, please?
Apologies on getting involved in an other's argument, but I couldn't let this stand. Carbon dating is not inaccurate, Archaeology doesn't support the bible. The bible is closer to fiction than anything Scientific that currently exists on earth. Maybe you should do some actual research.
ok, how would scientists be able to determine the scale of carbon dating. it's an exponential graph of half-lifes, right? well since we have no standard and no way of validating it, it can't be proven. And theres just too much evidence to deny the occurances mentioned in the bible.
Usually I would come up with some lengthy reply proving you completly and ultimatly wrong and how your concepts on life itself are based on illusions but right now I just cant be bothered so remind me in a few days Ill get back to you.
heres another thing(fyi i didnt read all the comments,just the beginning) but what about homosexuals? it is really hard for them to get married, so if they legally cant, that means they can never have sex which isnt fair for them versus a straight couple and dont even get fucking started on homosexuals being against the bible, gay isnt a chose, hate is. so shut the fuck up unless you want my foot in your ass p.s. sorry for poor grammar but i wrote this on my phone
Maybe it's because homosexuality is wrong and they shouldn't be having sex?
Maybe it's because you're an ignorant piece of shit?
There's nothing wrong with homosexuality but there is clearly something wrong with you.
It's wrong to love someone? It's wrong to be sexually attracted to a member of the same sex? How can something that isn't a choice be wrong? It's NATURAL. There are tons of homosexual or bisexual animals.
They can't change that they are gay, and why should they? People like you are ruining the lives of innocent people. They don't need your hate, you don't need to condemn their actions, it will change nothing and you are only making it harder for people. And don't say I'm putting the words in your mouth, I'm speaking for all the ignorant people who can't freaking get this through their minds.
Whoever made this post purposely made it to cause arguments.
Of course they did.
what the hell??? grow up, why don't you, and accept the fact that people can have different opinions than you without looking for attention or argument.
Maybe no sex before marriage is a little extreme. The fact that we're pressured into thinking people need sex every night is wrong but we live in the age of condoms. Come on.
i wasn't referring to the severity of the crime, just the fact that it is wrong. it's indescribably disgusting to think that someone would be alright with legalized murder. if you know that something is wrong, i should hope that you stand up and fight for it!
what's right and what's wrong is all a matter of opinion. what if the bible said murder was completely acceptable? i mean, god did tell abraham to kill his own son just to test his loyalty (according to the bible anyway. who even knows if that really happened). that, in my opinion, is wrong. following a book because someone TOLD you it says all truths. tell me this, how do YOU know personally that everything the bible says is the truth?
faith. but that's not to say there isn't more tangible proof. there are manuscripts, archaelogical finds, fulfilled prophecies, and astounding statistics to show the truth of the bible and the existence of Jesus Christ.
there are some great debaters on amirite.
exactly what i was thinking.
Dogs have sex before marriage. You know why? Instincts. Humans have these same instincts: we have sex and the human race lives on. But, of course, we humans decide it's immoral to have sex before marriage. Who decided it? I didn't. You didn't. And if the Bible said that everyone should have sex until marriage, this post would say: "Not having sex before marriage is wrong!"
You're right; you know why? Who gets to decide what the best way to live your life is? Huh? The government? That isn't the government's responsibility. How about our Creator? Shouldn't He decide what the rules are?
I'm not saying it's GOOD to have sex before marriage, but it's definitely not WRONG. OOOH NOES! PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL JUST FOR HAVING A GOOD TIME111oneoneone!!! Yeah no.
no one said you are going to hell. calm the fuck down.
There's a really cool thing called sarcasm. You should try learning it.
It's called not being a prick and respecting someone opinions and NOT PUTING WORDS IN SOMEONES MOUTHS.
go back to MLIA.
It's called PMS. You need to "calm the fuck down"
Just saying.
Holy shit. I'm voicing my opinion and I NEVER put words into anyone's mouth. It's called sarcasm and satire.
umm you DID put words into peoples mouth last time i checked. the OP never said anything about hell. yes, i know you're gonna say, "god, it's just sarcasm!" but don't claim you didn't say something when, in fact, you did, sarcastic or not. it makes you look immature.
Holy crap I never said the OP said that. People don't seem to interpret things well anymore.
PS. It's called a joke. Meaning it shouldn't be taken seriously.
it's called shutting up before making a complete ass of your self.
oops, to late.
Well Mr. President, I think you should take your own advice ;)
And that's quite alright with me.
I'll say it right now; anyone who has sex before marriage is going to hell.
Unless of course they repent, and become a believer in Christ.
... Right on schedule.
Mmhm, yes, indeed.
We broke up like 5 hours ago. Thanks.
Oooh Terribly sorry. Let me edit my comment.
Don't even start a religious debate.
Don't ever tell me what I can't do! I'd watch my tongue, if I were you. For all we know, you-know-who could be watching us...
You-know-who? God? I'm agnostic, I couldn't care less. No one's going to hell for making their own choices.
I think he means Voldemort..
Ant?
Close. Take Ant, deform his face, give him the Elder Wand, make him a mass murderer, give him wizard powers, and pit him against Harry Potter. THEN I'm talking about Ant.
Ant's face is already deformed, he has a wand, he is a mass murderer, and he wants to kill Harry Potter, sounds more like Ant.
Voldemort?
Yesh.
then let me tell YOU now, you are going to hell. Who are you to judge others? Jesus said
"one who is with out sin, let them be the first to cast the stone" when people were stoning that lady.
You have no right to tell people they will go to hell, even if our morals are the same, I dissagree with you on that
Where did I judge? Did I judge anyone? Have I said anyone is worse than anyone else? No? Then where did you get the idea that I judged someone? In fact, you were the one who judged. "then let me tell YOU now, you are going to hell."
What, are you saying I'm not a Christian? That's a judgement. Saying something is a sin isn't a judgement. Basically, in my post, I said that sex before marriage is a sin (because it is) and that all sinners are going to hell. Where did I judge? That is STRAIGHT from the Bible. People today don't realize that they are sinning. Homosexuality IS a sin. Until people recognize that, they are hell-bound.
Go ahead, interpret all this as a judge, but if you do that, then you are sad, indeed.
Not all sinners are going to hell. EVERYONE sins. Including you. It's the people who ACCEPT forgiveness and LOVE God that go to heaven. Even if people are Christians they are still sinners. Heaven isn't for good people. It's for forgiven people. Maybe instead of trying to fight and prove people wrong, you'll share God's love more. That's what it's all about. Giving glory to God and spreading His love. Not proving your point.
Ugh I know that! I've said that in like ten different comments Now. You just happen to read the one I didn't elaborate on. facepalm
Then send me straight to fucking hell. I'll meet you there
I'm not sending anyone to hell. If you had premarital sex, yeah, you're going to hell, no doubt.
Have fun burning for all eternity. Btw, did you know that you won't be able to interact with anyone? It'll be eternal darkness. Sounds fun.
You have one alternative to eternal damnation: repentance.
What if you are a rape victim then?
And how are you sure about that? Been there yourself? Oh well, I sleep better in the dark anyhow.
I would rather suffer damnation then repentance any day since I am personally(For myself) against religion and do not believe in a God. But that is just me, and that doesn't make me a bad person unlike you, who keeps forcing your thoughts and 'facts' from the Bible on people.
We don't want to hear your thoughts on the bible anymore, so please let us have some peace of mind without going through the Bible.
But that just might be my opinion. Even then, I'm entitled to it.
It doesn't say that all sinners as going to hell. Actually, I seem to remember that in the bible it says that EVERYONE is born into sin, and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Now I'm not saying that this is true, just making sure everyone knows what it actually says. Now, in my opinion, you should only have sex when your ready, and only you can decide when your ready, nobody, and nothing else, and that it should be with the person you love, not just going around fucking averaging with a heartbeat
What Bible are you reading?
May I completely destroy the lies you wrote? I'm doing it anyways:
The entire point of the New Testament is that everyone is a sinner. EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO EVER EXIST. Besides Jesus, of course. Now, it also says, in no uncertain terms, mind you, that every sinner is going to hell. EVERY SINGLE SINNER. Now, is that me, or is that everyone?
Then, in John 3:16, it tells how God sent us His Son to die for our sins. Jesus HAD to live a perfect life for that to work. He was sinless. Now, because Jesus bridged the gap between sin and God, sinners are allowed into heaven. But ONLY if they accept salvation. That is the <i>ONLY</i> (Yes I know that isn't italics. That is for emphasis) way into heaven. ONLY.
Premarital sex IS a sin. I don't care about your opinions; the Bible, inspired by our Creator, tells us to save it for marriage. Which is what I'm planning to do.
hahahahahahaha that just made me laugh really hard. I know it's not funny that you are that ignorant; I just couldn't help it.
well congradufuckinglations on that, I really am happy for you, and congrats on rewording my post, douche.
Ugh, no they aren't, of course all the "Christians" on the internet have no idea what they're talking about,
pathetic
Are you a Christian? Do you know what the Bible says? Obviously not.
Any sin will keep a human out of heaven. Premarital sex is a sin. Transitive property, premarital or extramarital sex WILL keep you out of heaven.
Of course, there always is the gift of salvation.
Exactly
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
1 John 1:9
So just go read the Bible and memorize some verses,
by the way, what makes you think that you're sinless?
You're sinning right now by spreading lies that if you commit one sin then you'd go face Hell alone.
Go read the Bible and actually learn about it.
Where did I say I was sinless. Go ahead, find it. In fact, where have I ever said I was better than anyone? Go on. You said I said it. Or are you a liar?
It can be implied,
and plus that entire conversation you just made me read make me think you're just full of yourself and you think you ARE sinless
"I'll say it right now; anyone who has sex before marriage is going to hell."
"Premarital sex is a sin. Transitive property, premarital or extramarital sex WILL keep you out of heaven. "
and it doesn't have to be the concept of sex, the way you say it makes everyone think that you think that you are sinless and perfect
But I don't want to do anymore, too long
Byebye
Dude, you really interpreted that way? Seriously? No wonder Christians are perceived as idiots who cannot think for themselves.
So did everyone else,
so just go away
I did too actually
Stop believing in fairy tales, and start believing in science, facts and evidence. There is little evidence that the man known as Jesus even existed.
You are impossibly stupid. Nobody educated on the subject disagrees of Jesus's existence. Are you proposing that you're right and everyone else is wrong? Woah, coming from someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about.
Give me some "facts" or "evidence" for evolution. I mean trans-species evolution. Go. I'll time you.
Why can't you?
Give me some "facts" or "evidence" for the Christian god, the truthfulness of the bible, or the resurrection of Christ. Go. I'll time you.
And BTW, trans species evolution by the well-known process of natural selection seems a lot more likely to me then some dude in the sky willing everything into existence in 7 days.
Technically, the bible says he created it in 6 days and rested on the 7th, but I've always wondered what exactly they meant by that. Jupiter days? Pluto days? Metaphorically-given-and-not-to-be-taken-literally days?
It really doesn't really matter, these are just millenia-old myths explaining what we can now explain through science. And if our theories are wrong, the beauty of science is that we can change them to fit new evidence.
Yeah, I agree that people take the stories in the bible way, way too seriously. And I love what we can discover about the world through curious and uninhibited eyes. I kinda want to be around when we reach that planet in the Goldilocks zone.
No, it says, clear as day, DUSK THEN DAWN DAY 2.
I don't understand how people can misinterpret that.
Here's an excerpt from my Bible:
"Evening came, then morning: the first day.
Then God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters, separating water from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above the expanse. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky." Evening came, and then morning: the second day."
Can it be any more apparent that this was a literal, 24 hour day?
Hon, we've gone over this already. I'm not Christian. We could point out flaws in each other's beliefs until we die, but it doesn't make either of us any more right or wrong. I believe what I believe, and you obviously believe different. Let it be.
It doesn't matter; you said something about the Bible, and I explained that you can't interpret it that way.
I took day and night symbolically, even when I was Christian, since God is supposed to be ageless and omnipresent, so he could create Earth in however long a time period he wanted, afterward explaining to the writers in ways that wouldn't completely blow their minds at the time.
I'm saying you CAN'T take it like that. You can't pick and choose what to believe. It doesn't work that way. Also, Christianity is a lifetime commitment. If you aren't now, you never were.
My great aunt used to consider herself a Christian. Probably never was.
But the bible is explicitly clear- it was six literal days.
Ok, well that's your interpretation of it. And I agree, I never really was a Christian. That's why I chose a different path.
I'll take a book however I like, hon. I'm an English major.
You can interpret it however you like; I'm just telling you that you're wrong.
Again, that's what you believe. I believe that some views presented in the bible are wrong, else I'd still be Christian.
well considering the sun wasn't created until about half way in how could it be classified as a "day"?
Have you read Genesis one? Because i was a little wrong. My Bible says "evening came, then morning: the X day."
It wasn't sunset, just evening to morning. And before that, God said "Let there be light," then He separates night from day, THEN it's day two.
So bam.
Hey, hey, I asked first. You give me evidence, then I'll give you evidence. Go on.
Lets start with humans and chimpanzees having 98% the same DNA. After that we get the numerous examples of transitional fossils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...tional_fossils
And the complete lack of any evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed (which would be impossible in a biblical model because they were created on the same day) , and we have pretty compelling case for evolution, amirite?
Wait, you're saying that dinosaurs and humans never coexisted?
Why, then, are there dinosaur footprints with humans'?
And why, then, are there accurate cave-drawings of "dragons" extraordinarily closely resembling a dinosaur?
This site is full of them: http://www.creationists.org/din...s-and-art.html
That wikipedia article doesn't exist, genius. Click the link.
Thus far, all you've said is, evidence for a common designer, broken link, a lie, and then that's considered evidence. That is a strong case, my friend.
The link got messed up when i was fixing the grammar of my post. Here's the real one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...tional_fossils
And by the way, your link is broken too. as for human and dinosaur footprints being together, imagine a prehistoric version of this: http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/t...;amp;index=ch1the cave drawings, the prehistoric peoples would have seen dinosaur fossils, and probably worshiped them as gods, giving them attributes like fire-breathing, flying, etc. Mammoths, who they hunted, were given none of these attributes. And you still haven't given me a shred of evidence, and you fail to realize the burden of proof still lays on you because you are the one making an unfalsifiable claim, not me.
Cool, Jesus lived. He never argued with anyone and called them "impossibly stupid".
Try expressing God's love more. Telling someone they're going to hell wont get you anywhere.
Give me evidence for a magician, besides a book of stories. And they're called fossils, retard. And 2 chromosomes away from a chimpanzee? You're right. Coincidence I guess.
Coincidence, or evidence of a common Designer? Huh?
Woah, fossils aren't evidence. I mean give me some real, tangible evidence. Saying "fossils" is no better than me saying "People."
Go ahead, give me some evidence for some trans-species evolution.
Give me evidence of this magician besides a story book.
Here Mr. City, have fun.
http://books.google.com/books?i...mp;amp;f=false
why isn't it good to have sex before marriage? sex is a wonderful and natural thing. marriage, on the other hand... ;P
it truly depends on the situation.
97%? Are you sure about that?
Lmao.
I always think, "Why do people even post things like this?" and "Why do people even waste time giving them attention?" Seriously.
true dat homeboy
See I'm not all for sex before marriage but it's someone else's choice not mine. My choice is not to have sex before marriage but that wasn't my parents so if everyone listened to that I wouldn't be here :P, I still don't plan on it though.
TOB (I really hope at least some of you know what this means...)
What you do and don't do before marriage is your choice. I do believe however that you should only have sex when you're mentally and physically ready. Sex isn't for high school though, and it should only be done when you're old enough to realize how beautiful it is to share that with someone who you really love.
Why is being gay wrong? It's their choice not yours.
Try telling that to animals. Sorry, but if you think about it, marriage is sort of unnatural. I'm not saying that I agree, but the main purpose of "survival of the fittest" is to have sex with a LOT of people to have a LOT of babies, and then die. The end.
Yeah it's wrong but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna do it before marriage! There are a lot of things I think are wrong, but I still would do them.
(Samantha Jane): wanton.
hahahahahaha. this post is retarded.
first of all: this poster is a huge troll
second off all: im going to comment anyway. its not excatly "wrong" but its still probably better to save it for marriage because so many people end up regretting sex and thats reeeally something you dont want to regret. so wait for a loving husband who will be yours forever :) plus, it will be more special and it will be safer.
if you wait until marriage, you will KNOW thats its a good decision and there will be no doubt and that he will love you for sure and not just for sex. you can never be too sure with guys but this is your best bet :)
I was best friends with my current boyfriend for two years. We've been dating for a year now and we've had sex. We were both virgins, so we're both safe. And it wasn't any less special because we weren't married. We waited for the right person. He feels right for me. If I don't marry him, I know I will never regret losing my virginity to him. He's a great person. He's good to me, my sisters and he gives my single mom money when she needs it.
Today, getting married does not guarantee you will be together forever, so that isn't even an argument.
Just because you lose your virginity before marriage doesn't mean you'll apply to all these things. :3
ok, first of all, i wasn't trolling (I'm the OP, by the way). It's what i believe, and just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that i'm just trying to get attention. this is truly how i feel about this topic.
Thank God I'm not alone here.
It goes against the Bible to have sex before marriage. That's all there is to it. So if you are a beleiver of God, then you won't do it.
Besides, when you think about it reasonably... who wants to be with someone who has had sex with 20 other people? That's nasty!
I hate it when Christians assume believing in God means THEIR god. There are many ideas of who or what God is. The bible also promots slavery and sexism....
And 20 other people? So, basicaly, we have a choice between waiting until marriage or doing it with 20 other people? Did you know that there are numbers under 20? How reasonable of you :D
So people who have sex before marriage are unlovable...? Nice, that's godly of you :P
I'm waiting, but that's MY choice. I'm not deciding it's right for everyone.
um.. yeah. it is wrong. a hundred years ago if people were talking the way all these comments are talking, people would be disgusted. just goes to show that society has become too comfortable with immorality, but that doesn't change the fact that it's WRONG.
A hundred years ago if a white man married a black woman, people would be disgusted. Just because an idea is old does not make it better.
Of course you are entitled to make your own decisions about sex, but I think it's presumptuous to tell other people that their life decisions are wrong.
obviously we have changed a lot in the last hundered years, you're so stupid.
OBVIOUSLY, we have a rapist in Lincoln Park.
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, cause they rappin errbudeh out there.
you are awesome.
you came in at the perfect time. haha So hide ya kids, hide ya wifes, becuase hes coming and hes gonna rape everybody.
Fail.
sorry, that wasn't even me that was an idiotic sibling. i would never say something with that low of intelligence. however you spell it.
Why buy a car without test driving it?
that metaphor is a pathetic representation of human beings. Don't you see the value of purity, consecration, and morality??? i do. cars cannot portray our complexity and the value of our ethicality.
Sex before marriage is wrong. having sex before marriage messes up God's ulitmate plan for us. Sex is meant to foreshadow our unity with God in heaven and to bring life into the world, not simply for pleasure. Living a life of chastity is not terrible like people think - it's just waiting for marriage to have sex - it's actually great! Have some temperance people!!!
also, abortion is terrible, cruel, heartless murder. (just thought i'd add this in because sex before marriage can lead to abortions...)
You're obviously a virgin.
do i even have to reply?
lemme break this down:
if people agree they thumb up
if they disagree, they thumb down.
got it?
wow ur dum
You are so dumb. For real
We gon' find you homeboy
*Wow, you are dumb.
Okay, you're dumb too. Why? For obviously not getting the joke.
Quit voting up your own comment and voting down everyone elses.
It shows what a loser you are. lolololololol