this is amazing haha
Wow. Just wow. This post was supposed to be a joke, and here we have commenters claiming they are tired of all the "fake Christians" that believe in Evolution and God, and believe homosexuals shouldn't have the same opportunities as heterosexuals. Well guess what? Regardless of whether or not you think it's a sin, that's not even up for you to decide. That's for God to decide. Not you. God. Obviously the Bible has it's teachings as to say homosexuality is a sin, and yet you really think that if man wrote the bible they couldn't of added their own input into it? It's not impossible. Believe what you will, as that is your right, but don't judge people, claiming they're not really Christians, because that's a sin right there.
Personally, I think religion should've been allowed to evolve as people do. It would be like saying the iPhone is a sin because Alexander Graham Bell didn't create the telephone like that. Secondly, wow. I make one wee joke and it gets blown way the hell out of proportion.
I'm wondering why no one can take a joke. People are ridiculous sometimes.
Ch'yeah! Tell me about it.
So, what you're saying is that God hates bisexuals?
scrantoncity: Those are laws put in place by the government, NOT the bible. The only argument against homosexuality is that it goes against religious doctrine. So, your argument makes absolutely no sense.
No, I'm saying it isn't discrimination, moron. Religion doesn't have anything to do with that tangent.
"Well, since your own set of beliefs don't coincide with God's Truth, we know where you're going when you die." - scrantoncity
Pretty sure you don't know where the fuck she will go when her time comes, that's for God to decide, not you. ARE YOU CLAIMING YOU KNOW MORE THAN GOD? Yeah seriously, you have issues.
Thank you. Those comments were the reasons I decided I was done with the conversation. When it stops being an intelligent discussion about religion, and turns into this random stranger who knows nothing about me telling me im going to hell, then there's no point in trying to reason with them.
I completely agree with you.
Gay rights person: "Gays are being discriminated against! They can't marry a man!"
Straight guy: "Neither can I; that isn't discrimination."
Yeah, the term 'gay rights' seems a little presumptuous to me. I still think we should be allowed civil unions though, even if the church won't marry gays.
Well, as marriage IS a religious matter, I don't think the gov't should have any say as to who can marry, only the BIBLE.
However, civil unions is fine by me, as long as they don't call themselves 'married.'
They should be allowed to get married. All this shit about marriage being strictly a religious matter is complete bull.
Oh really? How did marriage originate?
Im not talking about the origin of marriage. You cant use origin as a valid argument, there are countless things today that dont mean the same thing as their origin. Marriage is a union between two people that love each other, why must it be any more than that?
Because that isn't what our Creator made it for. It is a union between a MAN AND A WOMAN. Shouldn't the Creator decide what marriage is or isn't?
Not if the Creator doesn't ABSOLUTELY exist. And I only capitalized that to emphasize it, not for any reason besides it. If there is even the tiniest possibility that he doesn't, your whole point isn't valid, and seeing as there is, because not everyone believes it, it's not absolutely true. Plus, it doesn't work anyway, because does every creator, or inventor, or whatever else always decide everything about it? When something like marriage changes so drastically, you can no longer state that it is directly with it's origin. Just because it was given a common name, and certain rights and abilities, by religion, doesn't make it religious. People were "uniting" before it was "marriage".
Uh no, they weren't, as Adam and Eve were married, and they were the first humans.
People still think Elvis is alive, but that just makes them wrong, doesn't it. People think that the Holocaust didn't happen, but it did. People can blind themselves to the truth, if told lies loud enough and often enough. I think one of our presidents said something to that effect. Can't remember who.
Are you saying that every inventor is omniscient and omnipotent? Because my God is. And He specifically stated marriage as a man and a woman. Do you claim to know more than He?
Which is what you believe, others don't, so you cannot state that as a fact. Which was my whole point anyway, but I'll answer the others just because.
Beside the point.
There I answered 'em!
Again Im going to throw in the power of free will which He gave us. Which means we have the power to change marriage.
No, we don't. We should change His covenant? His religious sanctimony between a man and a woman?
Does that mean we can change the criteria of a Christian?
You're taking what I said way out of context man. Just because my belief system is different from yours and I choose not to follow every single thing written in the Bible like a mindless robot, does not mean that I'm "changing His covenant". And yes we do, we have the ability to change anything we want to. Its free will, and I still stand by the belief that marriage is not a strictly religious ceremony.
You can change your meaning of it; that doesn't make it change in God's eyes, though. If you don't think homosexuality is a sin, well you're free to think that, but who decides: you or God?
Exactly, its not my place to decide. I believe God made them that way, therefore its not a sin. I could be wrong, I dont believe so, but I could be. But its also not your place to tell someone they're sinning. That's where all you "rreligious douchebags" need to get off your fucking high horse.
I have never told anyone specifically that they're sinning. However, ill do it now. Everyone, including me, that has ever lived, excluding Jesus, has sinned. Plain and simple. Do you believe that?
So, you think you know more than God? You think you know more than His Word? That's sad. That is really, really sad, and if you really think that, there is not a chance you're a Christian. None.
I'm aware that everyone has sinned, but its not your place, nor is it mine or anyone else's, to tell someone they're sinning. Again, i never once said that. You're twisting my words around to make it sound like you're right.
No, you said something directly contradictory to God's word. The real question is: do you believe that? Do you? No really, do you?
YOU don't get to decide what constitutes a sin. That isn't your place. GOD gets to decide, and He did. You can agree with that or be wrong.
I haven't told a specific person that they're sinning, however, it's people like you who fool people into believing homosexuality isn't a sin, which is deceitful and blatantly lying.
No, i've said this again and again, God did not directly write the Bible. Men did, it was man who held the pen, straight men. Are you telling me that you dont believe that they added things in themselves? And again, by the power of free will which God gave us, they could have done that and wouldnt have to change it. Why would being gay be a sin when what really matters is what type of person you are. Every other sin relates back to doing something against humanity, or that is wrong in a very obvious way. Not this one, being gay is just who a person is, theres nothing wrong about it.
Oh, right because the fourth commandment is obvious and it hurts humanity. Why don't you learn some things about your Bible.
The men's sexuality means nothing. If you believe in God's power, surely you'd believe He'd get what He wanted in His Bible. But whatever, disregard the entire basis for your religion.
Men are corrupt, thats the bottom line, they were able to write the most powerful book for all of Christianity, so yes I believe they wrote things in themselves. You can go ahead and be a mindless follower, but I have my own set of beliefs.
Well, since your own set of beliefs don't coincide with God's Truth, we know where you're going when you die.
Do you even believe Jesus is the Messiah?!
Wow, you are a religious douchebag. I know he is the Messiah, I've accepted God into my life as my Lord and Savior, and I try to be the best person I can be, which is all that He asks for. So you can fuck off.
Well, it doesn't appear like you're being the best you can, as your comments are laced with venomous retorts.
You know, I don't recall where, but the Bible has something saying how terrible those who change it are, and how they will have a special place in hell. Well, do you think that applies to you?
The reference to the verse saying not to take away from the Bible is Revelations 22:18-19.
Marriage has become so much more than a religious matter. It gives married couples some 1000+ rights. If you give gay people civil unions, the exact same as marriage, then you are going against the supreme court decision made from Brown vs Board of Education where it was ruled that separate is not equal. It would be the same just a different name, yet that somehow justifies it in some of your minds?
It's not the same thing. But they can't complain. To a secular person, yes, maybe marriage is only for the rights. However, to a Christian, that isn't even a quarter of it. A real marriage reflects God's glory.
I think that they deserved federal marriage. It gives them 1000+ rights and the gov't cannot really just give them all the rights and not call it marriage because of Brown vs Board of Education. I do not think that it should be a religious marriage just because there is so much debate about it. But they do completely deserve a federal marriage. Also, the keyword there is if they are Christian. Not everyone is Christian.
Yeah, but the gay person cannot marry the person that they love. The straight one can. Also, if you are lesbian you would want to marry a girl--not a man.
That still isn't discrimination. Neither can marry a man, no matter whom you choose to love.
Sorry, I was only thinking about guys.
Then you're looking waaay to far into the specificity of the matter. It's discrimination to not to let them marry who they want to marry, which is actually what they usually say, not "I can't marry a man". But that's not the point. Simply saying it's not discrimination because you can't marry a man is completely aside the mater. It's discrimination because they can't marry who they wish, as I said before.
Gee wiz your grammar is awful, but that just reflects your equally poor point.
It isn't discrimination. Is it discriminatory that I cannot lift two hundred pounds while others can? No. Is it discriminatory that some can run 20 miles while I cannot? Should we stop them from doing what they can just because I want to and can't? Is it discriminatory that my father can vote and I can't? Is it? I want to, I long to, display my patriotism by electing our leaders. But I cannot. Should I sue? Is it discriminatory that I cannot imbibe alcohol legally? No? Then why should gay marriage be legal and not voting age, smoking age, age of consent, age of adulthood, age to drive?
Those restrictions are put in place so you do not hurt yourself through ignorance. I'm not sure how those are supposed to be examples of discrimination...or how you are relating them to gay marriage...
What if I thought I were responsible enough? How about voting age? Does that protect me? Afraid I'll cast the wrong vote and be tormented for the rest of my life? Haha that's good.
It isn't discrimination if everyone has the same rights, no matter if you want to do something different.
Take gun law. Is it discriminatory against people who want to take it away? It is?
A) You're now a dick. B) One typo and all of a sudden I have terrible grammar? Uh, not quite, considering I'm a grammar freak.
Congratulations on contradicting yourself!
And, seriously? Well, let's see... those are horrible, horrible comparisons. Age limits are put up, because people that are under that age don't have fully developed brains (it's a fact dipshit, look it up.) Oh even just saying that my point was poor is funny!
Okay, I was eating my food when I read this, and I just choked. Thanks. :-l
This post wouldv been fine except for the "religious douchebag" part. People dont actually speak like that either...btw
It's a quote from the bible that religious douchebags say at gay people
Yeah, because it's totally a crime to have morals.
Morals =/= religion
Maybe not, but that's the only non-hypocritical way to defy it.
I know right? As long as you're religious, there's no WAY you could be a douche bag.
not all religious people are douchebags. just as not all atheists are.
Apparently God is a religious douchebag, then.
God did not actually write the Bible dipshit. People seem to forget that it was man who held the pen.
God wrote through men. His Spirit suffused through them, but did not suppress them. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and training in righteousness. If you are not Christian, then I don't expect you to understand.
ah the key word is "inspired". All men have free will, and yet you dont think they chose to add things themselves? I am Christian btw.
Ha there should be more like you as well then
Of course men added things themselves, Paul often wrote "in his own hand" and things that He said were his own personal opinions, but do you think that a good, perfect God would allow something to be written in His law that was wrong and allow it to persist for 4,000 years?
Im not saying He would be happy about it, but He gave us free will. He wouldnt make someone change it.
Why yes, yes I do.
I love how religious comments always get voted down.
Mine are still religious, but they are also the more open minded, beliefs that religion is not all about following rules, and mine are voted up.
Sure, but I believe what the Bible says 100% and THAT never goes over well.
Generally, no, because the Bible is contradictory.
Do elaborate. I think you just don't understand it.
@750785 (scrantoncity): The Bible tells you that it is wrong to judge others, does it not? So how is it acceptable to also claim that being gay is wrong? That is judging, to me. its judging someone based off of their sexual orientation instead of what kind of person they are, when in the end who you are is what matters.
Actually, it isn't judging, but we shouldn't point out one's sins. However, would you care if I said "Murder is a sin!" No, you wouldn't. You only think it's judging Because you disagree.
It isn't judging, just to point out a sin. Also, where is the contradiction?
i would care if you claimed the murderer was a bad person only because they commited a sin, they may be doing what they believe is right.
And you wonder why I think most atheists lack morals.
Douchebag, I'm not an atheist. I'm actually Baptist.
I don't know what happened, but I don't recall posting only that. I think it had to do with someone condoning murder just if one person thinks it's right. But it got messed up.
The Bible does say not to judge others, but it also says not to sin. That means, yeah, I'm not supposed to judge (aka put myself above) a gay person, but I have every right to declare homosexuality in general a sin.
Just like stealing, someone steals, it's wrong, but i'm not gonna say I'm a better person than them, all sin is equal, amirite?
God is to judge, but I can still say stealing is a sin. The Bible never contradicts itself.
I believe it does. The thing is, most people dont just say its sin, they say its wrong or they'll end up in hell for it or that its unnatural, which i call bs on because God made them that way.
See people like that give us a bad name. I believe homosexuality is a sin, along with lying, cheating, adultery etc. they can be forgiven.
But, I also believe that if said person is truly a Christian, they can ask God to overcome their lust towards other men.
Its not just lust, its love therefore i dont agree with that.
And that's where we disagree, personally, I believe that it's in fact a lustful desire,
did you know
children of homosexuals have a 4 to 10 times greater likelihood of developing a non-heterosexual preference than other children(Trayce Hansen, Ph.D. May, 29, 2009)
And again I'm calling bullshit. Just because some psychologist claimed that to be true doesnt mean it is. A child is no more likely to adopt its parents sexual orientation than it is anything else. I'm nothing like my parents. Did I turn out heterosexual because they are? No, thats just who I am. I was born this way, the same goes for those who are born gay.
oops, *you can't call bullshit on FACTS. @753004 (Linds):
Just because there is a Ph. D. in front of their name doesn't mean that they are always right, or that it is a true fact. I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying that they are not always right. All of your argument is based off of it it being something that they can choose. Why would someone "choose" to be gay and then go kill themselves because they "chose" to be gay and other people are ridiculing them for it. Couldn't they have just "chosen" to be straight?? If it is in fact a "choice" then you could chose to, right now, at this very moment, be attracted to the same sex as yourself both emotionally and physically.
I would comment back, but Soren basically just did that for me.
@753374 (Soren): Of course but those are legitimate numbers, interesting fact btw, that guy (trayce) was the first scientist to suggest second-hand smoking was detrimental to ones health, however, the scientific community has abandoned him for research that is essentially negative to the homosexual community...and I'm no psychologist nor have i prepared any amount of research on my next point-but I am highly skeptical- how often do you see homosexuality in third world countries? I think that the general world is simply corrupt. We overexaggerate and underthink, blowing things out of proportion- hell there are times I've seriously contemplated ending things, then I realize how selfish that is, and how their are people suffering from aids or who don't have a family. Homosexuals are going to try and tell me their lives suck, and it all comes down to them fulfilling a sexual fantasy.
Considering Ive never been to a third world country, and i doubt you have either, you cant ask that question nor can we answer it. Its not sexual fantasy, these people LOVE members of their own sex, theres nothing wrong with that. You dont choose to fall in love, if you did it wouldnt be love. But yes you're right, people do blow things out of proportion, this is a prime example of that. Sexual orientation is not that big of a deal. People are free to make their own choices and should not be ridiculed or told they are sinning because of it.
Oh no I haven't, but it's still a valid question! I would actually like to see a study done on it! Seriously, that would be a pretty interesting study since they wouldn't have media influence and whatnot...
it would be interesting but it wouldnt change my beliefs.
I'm sure there are homosexuals in third world countries but they are afraid to come out because of the culture not because they don't have the influence of the media
oh really? You're sure?
Yes. I'm sure because I was born and lived in Colombia, which is considered a third world country. More than 95% of the country is some sort of Christian and homosexuality is looked down upon.
A.) I'm talking about like more isolated tribes or people B.) those people are probably not homosexuals however, NEITHER of us can prove either way
Did you know that penguins and many other animals can be homosexual? Go read Tango Makes Three (it's a children's book, it won't take you long. Unless you're stupid.) It's definitely not a choice, and people around the world are homosexual. It's in their genes.
being against homosexuality does not make one stupid, no need to imply that. as for animals being homosexual, well, they also occasionally eat their babies....so....
Sigh Please read that again. I said that it won't take you long to read a children's book unless you're stupid. I was not calling you stupid because you hate gay people.
...THAT'S YOUR REASONING?! Okay, now I think you're stupid. If that is the best excuse you can come up with for homosexuality is them EATING THEIR CHILDREN, then you obviously have no argument. But since they're gay, they can't have kids, and therefore can't eat them. Also, the animals that show homosexual behavoir such as dolphins and penguins and elephants and dogs and creepy snakes and lizards and frogs and a ton of bugs aren't the kinds of animals that eat their own babies. Therefore, it is the insane straight animals that eat their own young.
LOL. My argument is that animals "sin" regardless of sexual orientation. They murder, steal, etc. So regarding your argument 'because animals do it' doesn't make it moral. NaWh u stoopid.
Oh okay, I totally forgot that nature is a sin towards God. It's not like he created it or anything. They murder and steal out of necessity, they don't do it like humans do it.
In response to your "factoid" about children raised by gays growing up to be gays, I found this little post that proves you wrong.
"There is no scientific basis for concluding that lesbian mothers or gay fathers are unfit parents on the basis of their sexual orientation... As the social visibility and legal status of lesbian and gay parents has increased... concerns about the influence of lesbian and gay parents on children have been often voiced... Results of social science research have failed to confirm these concerns about children of lesbian and gay parents...
Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents."
June 30, 2004 - American Psychological Association
your evidence is from 2004 where as my evidence is from 2009 therefore it would be more valid.
Even though you aren't judging, Jesus called us to judge rightiously.
24"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
Jesus said that.
I'm just talking about the whole, get the plank out of your own eye, before you get the speck out of anothers, idea
For me, I feel like I have to much sin in my life to judge someone else, and maybe that's wrong of me to...
I certainly do believe that it IS our job to let people know homosexuality(or any other sin) is NOT okay, like the media would like to make us believe.
How in the hell is it our job to tell someone if they are sinning? No, that is a job meant only for the Heavenly Father himself.
Judging isn't bad as long as you use the Bible as the standard, not yourself.
No, I believe women have every right to speak in church, the same as men do.
Sorry,I failed and replied to the wrong comment
0_o You believe every word of the Bible 100%?
Same here! So many people on this site call themsleves "Christians" yet they don't believe many parts of the Bible. Besides scrantoncity, you're the only Christian I've met (on this website) who believes the all the Bible 100%.
:) hahaha, that makes me ridiculously happy,
so many people base their faith off of what the "world" says anymore,
"Christians" that believe in evolution? It's sad. It's like they change their beliefs on the Bible to fit scientific theories...
I agree! The word "Christian" means so little these days. Most people who say they're Christians aren't acting like "little Christs" (that's what Christian means in Latin.)
adds as friend
To the contrary. The word "Christ" comes from the Greek word "Christos" meaning "Anointed". "Christian" was never a Latin word.
Well, whatever language it was from, it means "little Christ".
Danny is also a Godly man.
I've never met him...
oh my gosh, i completely agree! thank goodness, i thought i was the only one who completely values god's word! thank you so much :)
because you have to realize, ESPECIALLY on this site, people CLAIM to be Christians, however are pro-choice, believe in evolution, believe in gay-marriage. etc. etc. etc.
it's hard to find people who believe the Bible is 100% God's word.
no, it wasn't sarcasm. i mean it. I'm glad someone shares my views.
Do you believe that women don't have the right to talk in church?
Find me the passage that says it, and I'm sure I can give you my opinion on it.
1 Corinthians 14:34 34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
without knowing the context, i can't give you my absolute opinion, I DO believe that women should NOT be preachers or ushers.
(SlimShady):http://www.biblegateway.com/pas...mp;version=NIVre's the link to the website where I found it.
That was a really douchebag thing to say. People of other beliefs can understand religious concepts, we just chose to believe otherwise. You are the textbook example of a religious douchebag.