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It's ironic how the Democratic Party's symbol is the donkey, while the GOP is the party that's being stubborn as a mule, amirite?

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actually it seems as though both parties are being stubborn if it's taking this long to reach an agreement.

@Neighbor No, it's Obama. Both parties submitted plans, he's the one rejecting them.

Thank you Mr. Beck. Now back to reality, where FOX News and related attitudes hold no ground.

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@Neighbor You're a funny man. Now be realistic and get your head out of your ass.

No, as yours is the one in your ass.

The Democrats have repeatedly said they are willing to cut trillions out of the budget. While Republicans remain on their party line, refusing to compromise.

And aside from all that, no plan has passed the House and the Senate, so no plan has ever gone across Obama's desk for him to veto.

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@vitaminb No, as yours is the one in your ass. The Democrats have repeatedly said they are willing to cut trillions out of...

They aren't going to waste time voting if they know Obama's just going to veto it. They want to go through him first so they don't waste time. Unfortunately, Mr. President is as stubborn as the party symbol and accepts nothing but what he wants.

By the way, nice creative first sentence, I have no clue where you got inspiration for that.

@Neighbor They aren't going to waste time voting if they know Obama's just going to veto it. They want to go through him...

http://myfacewhen.com/106/

That is so horribly false. Have you done any research into this at all? If you had done any, you would realize that the majority in each is trying to get a plan that will pass in the other house. And Boehner is willing to make compromise, but at the loss of votes from the Tea Party. And Obama is very much willing to compromise, as are the rest of the Democrats. The Republicans are the ones who won't move from their party lines. Saying it's Obama's fault because he doesn't go the whole way across is absurd. He and the other Democrats have gone half-way (they have proposed major cuts, as well as a more long-term plan), and now the Republicans need to go the other half (they refuse to increase revenues, which is the half they should be going.) Obama veto-ing or signing something has absolutely nothing to do with it right now. The country is risking default, and the President and the Democrats have certainly gone their half-way. The Republicans are the ones being stubborn. Nothing has reached Obama, so his veto power right now has no effect on the issue.

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@Neighbor Nice try. I don't live in a cave.

If you don't see that you are wrong, then yes, you do.

And you didn't refute my point, so I am going to believe either you admit you're wrong, or you tl;dr'ed. Either way, I win.

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@vitaminb If you don't see that you are wrong, then yes, you do. And you didn't refute my point, so I am going to believe...

So you win because your point is so horrible I won't even bother arguing against it? You listen to Obama's speeches too much.

@Neighbor So you win because your point is so horrible I won't even bother arguing against it? You listen to Obama's speeches...

Ah, no, you don't listen to common sense. Nothing has passed his desk, so he hasn't had the chance to veto anything, you're being completely nonsensical. And he has made it more than evident that he is willing compromise and make cuts. Saying it is his fault is incredibly ignorant. Please do this country a favor and don't vote, as you clearly don't have the political knowledge to make an intelligent vote.

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@vitaminb Ah, no, you don't listen to common sense. Nothing has passed his desk, so he hasn't had the chance to veto...

Sorry, I have better things to do than argue with an internet no-life who thinks he's cool for hating Republicans and insulting those who don't. Good day.

Before you say I just gave up, I never said he vetoed. I said that they won't vote because they knew he would.

@vitaminb Would you look at that? Obama signed the first thing that crossed his desk.

Way to ignore everything I've said, while along the way finding or even making a profile just to be even more of a dick.

@Neighbor Way to ignore everything I've said, while along the way finding or even making a profile just to be even more of a dick.

I have not ignored everything you said, you are the one ignoring. All you said is "Nope, wrong, he won't signed anything." Then you were presented with what was actually going on, how Congress was trying to find a compromise and hadn't passed anything because they were trying to rally votes, and you left again saying "Nope, you're wrong and I'm right and even though I don't have the points to prove it, you're still wrong."

This is the only profile I have, by the way.

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@vitaminb I have not ignored everything you said, you are the one ignoring. All you said is "Nope, wrong, he won't signed...

I give up. I really hate arguing with people when "You don't listen" is the only thing they say.

@Neighbor I give up. I really hate arguing with people when "You don't listen" is the only thing they say.

I have said many more things. I have only said you don't listen because are not, in fact, listening. You never refuted a single argument I made, all you have said is "nope, you're wrong." You only give up because you have nothing else to say.

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@vitaminb I have said many more things. I have only said you don't listen because are not, in fact, listening. You never...

We don't have to listen to people who are WRONG! Liberals clearly are mentally challenge cases incapable of thought, so why listen? We prefer to shout.

@Neighbor Sorry, I have better things to do than argue with an internet no-life who thinks he's cool for hating Republicans...

They aren't voting not because he will veto it, but because neither bill has enough support for it from other Congressmen.

You have lost because you have ignored every single one of my points and just said "Nope, you're wrong". Congress is not just sitting on its ass right now doing nothing, there are intense talks going on as how to proceed and get a compromise. To say anything different, no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on would be perhaps the most ignorant stance ever.

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@Fox_News Every one of your arguments are excruciatingly invalid.

http://myfacewhen.com/106/

If they are, please explain then why my arguments are invalid when they are, in fact, the truth.

Actually, nevermind, I'm not going to argue with Faux_News, there is no credibility there whatsoever

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@vitaminb http://myfacewhen.com/106/ If they are, please explain then why my arguments are invalid when they are, in fact...

Because they're full of facts. And reasoning. You're using reason to make points that are wrong. You shouldn't be allowed to talk. Because you're wrong.

@vitaminb Nevermind the points are right and correct.

But you're wrong! Because your views are not mine!

@Fox_News But you're wrong! Because your views are not mine!

Silly Faux News, thinking you're a valid source

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@vitaminb Silly Faux News, thinking you're a valid source

It's called "Fox" for a reason. Frustrated old xenophobes.

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@I_Predict_A_Riot actually it seems as though both parties are being stubborn if it's taking this long to reach an agreement.

It is more of the Republicans though. The democrats are willing and have made plans to leave party lines and make significant cuts. But the Republicans aren't willing to leave their party line and increase revenues at all. And more specifically it is the Tea Party members who are acting despicably. They act as if compromise is a swear word.

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@vitaminb It is more of the Republicans though. The democrats are willing and have made plans to leave party lines and make...

I'm not in the mood to debate with you. Both parties are being immature about this and that's as far as I'll go with it.

When two people/groups can't come to an agreement, it's NEVER one side's fault and not the other, it's always both side's fault equally; that's what agreements are. It doesn't make sense to say "I was willing to compromise with them but THEY wouldn't agree with ME!"

@Fox_News But we're the ones who are RIGHT. You can't have opinions if they're not RIGHT!

but how can you possibly be RIGHT when we already know we're RIGHT?!

@Fox_News YOU'RE UNAMERICAN!

Don't listen to them. Everybody loves your nonpartisan news reporters such as Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, and Ann Coulter.

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@duckshirt When two people/groups can't come to an agreement, it's NEVER one side's fault and not the other, it's always both...

Not really, this post is actually correct.

The Democrat's party line is to not cut spending and to increase taxes.
The Republican's party line is to cut spending and not increase taxes.

The Democrats moved from their party line, while the Republicans never moved. Democrats were willing to compromise, Republicans weren't. They were OK with our country defaulting if it meant they didn't have to compromise. They treated compromise like a swear word throughout the whole process.

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@vitaminb Not really, this post is actually correct. The Democrat's party line is to not cut spending and to increase...

The Republican party line is also not to use Keynesian economics (deficit spending to temporarily grow the economy), but lo and behold, the debt ceiling was raised and there's still no plan to balance the budget. So nobody really stayed on their party line.

@duckshirt The Republican party line is also not to use Keynesian economics (deficit spending to temporarily grow the...

I disagree. The Republicans moving from their party line would be them allowing tax loopholes to close and revenues to increase, which they will never agree to. It seems they would rather let the country default than move from their party line.

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@vitaminb I disagree. The Republicans moving from their party line would be them allowing tax loopholes to close and...

Well, if you're going to decide what the Republican party line is, then yeah, I guess you can show that they didn't move from it. The second part would be a fair point, except that they proposed the Boerner plan which indeed raised the debt ceiling and would have avoided default, and Obama vetoed.

@duckshirt Well, if you're going to decide what the Republican party line is, then yeah, I guess you can show that they didn't...

I'm not deciding that party line. That is what their party line is.
And very few Republicans backed the Boehner plan because it included revenues, which they just can't take.

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@vitaminb I'm not deciding that party line. That is what their party line is. And very few Republicans backed the Boehner...

Like I said, their party line is also not to increase debt (anti-Keynesian). That's also what their party line is. And the agreed plan didn't really include many cuts in terms of annual spending. Most of the spending cuts / revenue increases won't be decided on until the fall.

@duckshirt Like I said, their party line is also not to increase debt (anti-Keynesian). That's also what their party line...

That really isn't a Republican party line so much as it is a goal for everyone, Republican and Democrat. No one wants to increase debt, anyone would be silly to do so. The signed bill mandates cuts, but does not mandate revenue increases. A true compromise would be to mandate both. The Republicans would not vote for anything with revenue increases, so they are the ones refusing to compromise. The Democrats voted for massive cuts, which is against their party line.

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@vitaminb That really isn't a Republican party line so much as it is a goal for everyone, Republican and Democrat. No one...

Yes everyone wants a balanced budget, but Democrats favor Keynsian economics, which means going into debt when the economy is bad to temporarily revive it in hopes that the economy "jump-starts," whereas the Republicans favor not spending the money unless you have it first.

@duckshirt Yes everyone wants a balanced budget, but Democrats favor Keynsian economics, which means going into debt when the...

Not true. Bush raised the debt ceiling seven times. He also cut taxes for the wealthy and started the Iraq war.

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@eldorito Not true. Bush raised the debt ceiling seven times. He also cut taxes for the wealthy and started the Iraq war.

What an individual does isn't the party line - very few people actually follow the party line that regularly. Obama has also cut spending and lowered taxes before, but that doesn't make it the party line. (and overall revenues increased during the Bush years... by a lot)

@duckshirt What an individual does isn't the party line - very few people actually follow the party line that regularly...

Under Reagan, the God of the GOP, the debt ceiling was raised 18 times. Under Clinton, it was raised 4 times.

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@eldorito Under Reagan, the God of the GOP, the debt ceiling was raised 18 times. Under Clinton, it was raised 4 times.

More picked stats with little context don't really prove much. Reagan worked under a Democratic congress almost his whole career, and Clinton worked under a Republican one almost the whole time. According to this chart the budget has actually had a net surplus when the Republicans controlled congress and a huge deficit otherwise. Image in content

@duckshirt Yes everyone wants a balanced budget, but Democrats favor Keynsian economics, which means going into debt when the...

The money here was already spent, so the talk isn't whether or not to spend money, the talks are about how to balance the budget.

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@vitaminb The money here was already spent, so the talk isn't whether or not to spend money, the talks are about how to...

I thought the discussion was on how to avoid the default... that's what it was a few comments ago...

@vitaminb avoiding default by how to get back money that has been spent

I thought that was already avoided by raising the debt ceiling... Actually paying off the debt will be a very long process which will probably go many presidents and congresses beyond Obama.

@duckshirt I thought that was already avoided by raising the debt ceiling... Actually paying off the debt will be a very long...

Default has been avoided, but not be compromise. The Democrats went halfway for a compromise, leaving the other half to be covered by Republicans. And they refused to move from their party line (here being raising revenues), leaving the Democrats to go the whole way. And yes, paying off the debt will take many more years that Obama will be in office, but it has to start now, and compromise must happen now. But the Republicans won't have any of it. They refuse to allow tax loopholes to be closed, giving billions and billions of dollars of revenue to the government. The Democrats have been willing to make major cuts this whole process, but the Republicans refuse to compromise and leave their party line for the good of the country.

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Mules aren't donkeys. You're lumping all livestock into one category, and I, frankly, am quite offended.

I think the symbol for political parties should just be the donkey, 'cause politicians as a whole are jack asses

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@I think the symbol for political parties should just be the donkey, 'cause politicians as a whole are jack asses

This is an example of the American-hating, baby-killing, no-valued filthy propaganda that is spewing from those disgustingly horrible and mentally challenged liberals.

and you NEVER hear hate talk from the right.

*ass

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It's ironic that the Republican Party's symbol is the elephant, while the Democrats is the party that's just following the people in front of them, amirite?

It's ironic that neither party is the problem in this case.

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