I like this. A lot. Very possibly too much.
so why don't you marry it
Oh Favvkes, you never fail to amuse me with your comments on potd... everyday... it's kinda scary
It's taken, but we've been having an affair for quite some time. Don't tell the other comments.
Well, I'd actually say that it's more rational to be annoyed at someone for eating a doughnut while you're on a diet. You have to watch them eat that delicious doughnut, and you can't even eat one! But, you don't have to attend any marriages you don't want to attend, so you don't have to witness it. And the person getting annoyed at other people marrying doesn't have to get one. So really, it's irrational to be opposed to two people doing what they want to with their lives in a way which doesn't affect your own. Watching someone else eat a doughnut is horrible and unjust though.
For some reason I thought I saw the word "never" in your comment. My bad.
Exactly, so why would anyone get mad about the former either?
I disagree mainly because I can say that gay marriage is against my religion because it is. That doesn't mean I'm getting mad at people who believe in it or whatever.
I'd be pissed if I was on a diet and someone ate a doughnut in front of me though. I fucking love doughnuts and that'd just be mean. I don't care if they know I'm on a diet or not.
"Them having the right to say the law can go against my religion is the same as me having the right to say the law should respect my religion."
Except for it isn't the same at all.
Laws can go against your religion. It is legal to eat pork, but that doesn't mean that Jews HAVE to eat pork. But if eating pork were illegal to respect Jewish people, no one would be allowed to eat pork.
It's the same with gay marriage. It being legal doesn't force everyone to marry someone of the same sex. It doesn't even force people to recognize those marriages. On the other hand, by respecting your religion and outlawing gay marriage, you deny people the right to get married much like the Jewish law would deny your right to eat bacon.
But what about my right to murder?
No one has the right to murder. Killing someone takes away their right to life, so killing is illegal. Letting gays and lesbians get married takes away no rights, not even the right to object and/or not recognize those marriages (kind of like how people are still allowed to protest interracial marriages).
Your rights end where another person's begin
I think the post meant that denying someone else the right to marry because it's against your religion is like getting mad about the doughnut. You're right though, you can say that gay marriage is against your religion. However, that doesn't give you the right to tell other people that they must follow your religion.
I think this would make more sense if it said "making eating donuts illegal because you're on a diet".
Because that would be ridiculous, but yet people still ban gay marriage.
...I love you, pikabeau.
Them having the right to say the law can go against my religion is the same as me having the right to say the law should respect my religion. We can all have rights, we're just going to get annoyed as fuck and never agree.
Since no one else will say it, I will.
When someone uses religion as an excuse to say that homosexuality is a sin when in reality they think it's gross, they have the honorary title of asshat.
Cue butthurt religious people
More like "Saying someone else's marriage is against your religion is like saying someone else's eating of a doughnut is against your diet."
Well, it is against their diet, isn't it?
But they're not the ones eating the doughnut so it shouldn't mater.
I thought this was just aboot parallel wording.
I think that's what Fawkes' point was. It may be against your religion, but you're not the one doing it. Just like eating a doughnut may be against your diet, but you're not the one eating it.
Doughnuts don't fit in with my diet of protein shakes, falcon eggs, and rocks. Get them out of here
You can't eat donuts because the diet created the donuts and the donuts belong to the diet
Give that woman a doughnut. Or should I say...give that woman a jklfasfdsk.
eating donuts=SAME SEX marriage
Eating donuts=marriage and Christianity=diet
um screw making a relevant comment. OMFG GEFF YOU GOT POTD
I have the exact same thing posted, but earlier. xDmaybe someone should go delete it? Seems like the honorable thing to do...
mine was posted 2 months before yours though...
How to tell when someone's comment is lank in chat
Sorry I meant to say that yours was posted earlier. Asdghkeorhf. Mine was deleted And no sir, I was not mad at all.repeats happen, and itwas my fault this time.
I had to delete it. I'm an achievement whore. And a consumer whore :D
Probably too late now.
Ramadan starts this month.
I think being socially aware serves the community better, but that's my opinion.
I like how you are so happy you're an atheist and then use God's name.
Muslims fast during Ramadan, and this post is talking aboot being mad at someone for eating...
I just want people to know that my comment is relevant.
Man that joke was almost as funny as According to Jim.
That's the joke.
HAHAHA!!! Sucks to be them. I get to eat yummy food while they starve for the entire day. God it's great to be an atheist.
There have been way too many potds about gay marriage.
Not really, considering how big of an issue it is to most users on Amirite
I hate religion.
Nope not at all. But it's okay. We all try to be funny sometimes.
It's just sometimes it works out, and others it doesn't. It's a part of life.
Trust me, we can get through the tough times as long as we stick together.
What are you even talking about?
that was supposed to go to someone on facebook
Oh. That's kind of you.
i was helping them
Is it weird to anyone else that "doughnut" is spelled the way it is?
I agree. It should definitely be jklfasfdsk.
No, because that is the way that most people spell it.
if we're going by the feeling, we should call it a YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH
You eat dough, not do ;)
Yeah, as far as I'm aware 'donut' is the Americanised spelling. Here in Australia, most places use the spelling 'doughnut'. Maybe in your part of the world, they prefer the original spelling?
how about NOOOOOOOOO
If I'm on a diet and my best friends go about eating delicious doughnuts in front of me, Imma be pissed. But I get what you're trying to say.
why should they stop eating donuts in front of you just because your on a diet the world doesn't revolve around you
Or, you know, they're just hungry.
BTW, it helps build willpower, anyway. Wouldn't you rather be tempted when you're around friends that can help you stop the craving, or would you want to be tempted when you're alone? You're going to see a doughnut one way or the other, so I'd suggest the former.
That is a horrible thing to say! I like donuts very much When I pack my lunch in the morning I don't think ' Oh is anyone on a diet this week? oh darn I cant eat this delicious donut' or ' Mwhahaha she is on a diet! Lets pack donutssss!!' I just bring my donut because I love donuts
You said she's a horrible friend because she wouldn't be against eating a doughnut in front of her friend who is on a diet? Do you not realize how much of a bitchy, selfish friend you must be if you won't allow your friends to eat doughnuts in front of you?
But what if it's someone random, not a friend? What if you're in a cafe? Then its not inconsiderate of them. You have as much say in other people's marriage as someone eating a donut. Gay marriage is a general term, which refers to gay people you may know and gay people you don't. The post isn't talking about someone you know in either case.
no? because it's inconsiderate. If I'm trying really hard to lose weight and they know I can't eat them, they should try not to around me. Obviously you're just a terrible friend.
But if Holy Matrimony is a religious sacrament, then why would two people who go against the Church want to get married? Can't they just live together?
Because marriage grants over 1000 legal rights. Marriage is a legal status as well as a religious one. Two people who aren't religious can still get married and get those rights, so why can't a gay couple?
Plus, yes, Christian churches consider marriage to be a religious event, but marriage is not actually religious in itself. People got married before Christianity was around.
Because in lots of places civil unions do not grant the same rights and are often only recognised in the place that they got the civil union. Besides why should same sex couples be forced to have a separate institution?
Marriage is not a religious ceremony. Marriage is a ceremony bonding two people, which can be considered religious by some cultures. Take ancient China, for example. People got married to bring together different families, not for religious reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_marriage
Oh, sorry, I probably derived that from my own personal experience with Chinese marriage (I'm Vietnamese and we draw many things from Chinese culture.) The article mentions bringing together families in the part about Confucian view. The Chinese do get married because they are in love, but the main point I was trying to make is that marriage is a familial bonding ceremony, not a religious one.
Why would atheists live together? I was referring to two partners living together.
I meant why would atheists be able to get marrie if marriage is a sacred institution meant only for the religious?
Well, in a way, kinda. Chinese religion has a lot to do with worshiping (I'm not sure if worshiping is the right word but I hope you know what I mean) your ancestors. So they do acknowledge that in the ceremony but that's also because your ancestors are part of your family, which brings us back to the family thing.
And anyway, just because something includes religion doesn't make it religious. The wedding banquet is a HUGE part of Asian weddings but that doesn't make marriage a ceremony about food.
Why don't atheists just live together and that's it?
Alyssa: What's an example of marriage before Christianity?
So it is a religious ceremony just like I was saying, isn't it?
I never said Christians invented marriage. All I said is that marriage is a religious ceremony, and because there is supposed to be a separation of Church and State, the State should stay out of it.
I'm not seeing that anywhere in that article. It mentions religion as part of the marriage ceremony.
I get that the reason behind marriage in Chinese culture was to bond families, but it still includes religion in the marriage ceremony.
I'm completely okay with gay marriage if that's their religion because everyone should have a right to religion. I just think that marriage should remain religious and if the state wants to give extra rights to married couples that's fine.
Can't they just get a civil union and get all of the same rights?
Religion is a lot more passionate than a diet. People don't think that their diet will affect them in the afterlife. And watching someone eat a donut will make you crave sweets while allowing gay marriage wont make you gay.
They're not comparable.
Of course they're comparable. It is none of your business to get mad at someone for making decisions about who they marry just as much as its not your problem if they eat a doughnut or not. Both have an equal amount of influence on your life = none.
I don't think you understand the point. The point is that neither really affects YOUR life.
They're comparing how someone else's decision effects your life. It's ridiculous to say "You can't eat doughnuts because I'm on a diet." It's also ridiculous to say "You can't get married because it's against my religion."
It's not necessarily comparing religion and a diet but the effect someone else's decisions have on your life, which, in these cases, is none.
Then you are comparing them from the wrong perspective this comparison is perfectly valid.
So you're arguing a point that doesn't exist?
Are you familiar with similies/metaphors? For example, one might say "My pillow is as soft as a cloud". Obviously clouds are very different from pillows, and it may seem strange to compare the two out of context, but this expression is used to stress that the pillow is so incredibly soft that it feels like a cloud. By the way you are responding to the post, it's almost as if you read "Practicing a religion is a lot like being on a diet, amirite?" when that isn't the point of this post at all. Try to look at the message behind it; Just because you happen to be on a diet (meaning, just because you happen to practice a religion that forbids homosexuality) doesn't mean that other people can't enjoy a donut (doesn't mean that other people can't be in a homosexual relationship). So comparing religion to dieting isn't the point. The point is that just because you decide not to do somthing, for whatever reason, doesn't mean that other people aren't allowed to do it. There is really no way to spell this out any clearer
This whole line of conversation made my head hurt from so much frustration.
I understand what you mean. A diet and religion aren't comparible. The thing is, this post is comparing the effect of someone's actions on your life. Someone else getting married doesn't effect your religion and someone else eating a doughnut doesn't effect your diet. They aren't saying a religion is like a diet.
I get the idea of the fucking post. My opinion is this: gay marriage is a bigger deal than fucking eating donuts around someone on a diet. There are better ways to get a point across than comparing two things that DO NOT FUCKING RELATE. I know what a simile is. I know what a metaphor is. I know a good one when I see one. This is not a good one. My argument has nothing to do with whether I am for or against gay marriage or eating donuts in front of people on diets. My argument is that this is a shitty comparison that clearly doesn't get its point across very well. If it did, there really wouldn't be that much argument over it. But no, people have to degrade each other because if you believe in something and you're behind a computer screen, you are fucking right. It pisses me off.
The only affect this post has had on me is: I am now frustrated and I want a fucking doughnut. Damn you all.
@notmuchnotmuch; I don't understand why my comment made you so angry. I honestly thought that you didn't see the point of the post, so I was trying to help. Now I see that you do understand it, you're just not willing to look past the part that ticked you off. Uncomparable? Anything is comparable. Water-polo can be compared to World War 2, since they both start with a W. Cancer can be compared to roller coasters because both have caused human deaths. There is no such thing as uncomparable; and as for this post, I personally think it's a brilliant comparison.
What if the comparison were that it's as silly as saying no one can ever dance because dancing is against your personal religion? That's not involving diets at all, but it still makes sense to me.
Lol, there really isn't an agrument against it that isn't completely retarded, so I say its a great simile, you're just a shitty thinker.
I highly doubt you actually know what similes and metaphors are considering that this post is comparing 2 completely simular things. Getting pissed off about same sex marriage is just like getting pissed at someone eating a doughnut just because you're on a diet. in the end you're just being a dick (in the OP situation, not calling you one)
After i slowly felt my brain turn to mush while reading pb55020 and notmuchnotmuch's comments, Bob responds with a well thought out comment that even they should be able to understand ( I really hope so anyway). Thank you Mr Builder.
It seems like the people here see a post for gay marriage and automatically think the argument is flawless.
I understand what they're trying to say...
I don't think the two are comparable....
Well I didn't just look at the shallow message of this post. I tend to do that.
It could have been worded better also. It makes it seem as if the person is eating the doughnut right in front of you, and not a random person.
A diet is in no way comparable to a religion. People don't live their whole life dedicated to a diet. There aren't worship places for a diet. A diet has had no influence on the world as a whole whatsoever.
Im just as for gay marriage as a gay person is. But you can't compare something as small as a diet to something as big as religion.