To be fair, individual restaurants are owned by managers. Many of them do not agree with all this, and punishing the employs is also unfair, as it's not their fault they live in a shitty economy and any job is better then no job. Lets not punish the many for the actions of the few.
I understand where you're coming from, but it still doesn't justify the fact that my money (well, theoretically, because I hate their food anyways so I never go there) is being sent to Exodus International. Where my money goes is important to me, and it should be important to other people.
If by some magical experience, Chik-Fil-A were to shut down, and people were to lose their jobs, there would be a high chance that somebody would buy out those empty lots and create or expand businesses anyways, allowing for alternative jobs to working at a fast food restaurant. Maybe not as many jobs, but I don't think that the unemployment rate would alarmingly drop just because Chik-Fil-A would go out of business.
I was't talking about the Chik-Fil-A as a whole, but each individual establishment. Don't eat there if you don't want your money going to Exodus International, but there is no need to attack the individuals at the establishments, like that one video of the guy who only got water and chewed out the poor employee.
Oh, I know that. I never said that was good. I saw that video and that man hit ultra-stupid.
He lost his job from it. I don't think he deserved to lose his job, but damn, he was dumb.
Besides the link I put in the "Inspired by" bar, there's more anti-gay bullshit they donate to as well. More here:
And I'm going to attack this argument before it's brought up. Yes, Exodus International claimed to "regret" that action in Uganda, but considering they only regretted it after it was brought up to them, it seems more like they regretted people finding out, not because they're actually "moral" (whatever twisted morality that is). But you know, maybe that's just me. Develop your own opinion of them why don't you?
The people we buy oil from kill Homosexuals as well. Are you going to quit purchasing anything that required oil to produce?
That seems like an ultimatum, because I could choose to not get oil and eventually lose any chance at getting a career or any chance to travel somewhere, or continue buying it to get all those benefits.
It's a fast food restaurant. It's not a big life-changing decision to just not eat there.
I think the point is that you can't pick and choose what you want to take a stand on when the "morals" involved ate virtually the same.
I think the point is that you can't pick and choose what you take a stand on when the "morals" involved are virtually the same.
I see your point, but my comment wasn't referring to an all or nothing as much as it was the fact that everyone's up in arms about a CEO simply speaking his opinion but no one is concerned about anything else that's going on.
Likewise, all those people that waited in chick-fil-a lines could have spent that time doing something more beneficial.
Not saying I do, I'll be the first to tell you I wont go out of my way to do much, but it's just funny how dedicated people are sometimes and other times they ignore everything.
I'm not saying that I fully understand the situation, but I wish that politics would just be left out of things like this. I want to be able to go eat some awesome (in my opinion) chicken nuggets without feeling bad about it.
All debating aside, I think it's fucking hilarious that gay couples are planning to into the stores and kiss.
Yeah that's a good way to convince people to be for gay marriage. Gross them out.
Yeah but isn't marriage the whole goal of the gay rights movement? There are many ways to protest. Kiss ins are just plain immature.
And I never said that homosexuality is gross. If I saw anyone, regardless of sexuality, kissing in a chick file a, I would find it gross, and so would many others.
I don't see how kissing in public is such a bad thing. I see straight couples do it all the time. Even my parents kiss in front of me. By the way, kids whose parents show affection in front of them are actually more likely to have stable relationships as adults (Yay PDA!).
It's not gross to kiss. We're not 8 years old anymore. Get over it. People kiss.
There's a difference between kissing and shoving your tongue down someone's throat though.
So you think that's gross?
I think after like 3 seconds, it is. That's with anyone. at all.
So if I wanted to kiss my girlfriend for 5 seconds, it would be too much?
I'm sorry, but seeing two people kiss for however long the decide to kiss has never grossed me out. Once I stopped believing in cooties, kisses stopped being gross.
I don't really understand why you're attacking me for this? I think it's gross. What's the big deal? That doesn't make me immature, I just hate too much PDA, and I think that tongues being shoved down throats is too far.
I'm not attacking you. I'm simply stating what I think. Yes, I think it's a bit immature to be grossed out by a kiss. That's exactly the point I was trying to get across.
Then what is the goal?
But what is the defiance supposed to accomplish. Maybe I'm not reading right, but I don't see it.
When you say protest, do you mean boycotting them or like actually protesting with signs and kiss-ins?
why would this comment get so so many votes down? That's so mean! It's just asking a question!
When you visit Chik-Fil-A, you're not purchasing the views of whoever is involved with this, you're purchasing a chicken sandwich. The people who made that sandwich may or may not have the same opinions as you and that has never changed. Neither has the sandwich. (unless they changed the recipe because if they cHANGED THE RECIPE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'D DO WITH MYSELF OH MY GOD HOW COULD THEY JUST SPRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP ON US I CAN NEVER BUY A SANDWICH THERE AGAIN WHO'S WITH ME)
Where your moneys goes is important. You're helping (indirectly) donate to things like Exodus International. You're not directly donating. There's a difference.
Who gives a fuck that the CEO doesn't believe in gay relationships? He can have his own opinions. Anyone protesting is just too juvenile to understand that
Oh yeah it's totally okay to donate to an anti-gay ministry that helped created the Kill the Gays bill in Uganda even though I already fucking said that in the post which is what I'm saying is bad and immoral and wrong and is a VERY GOOD REASON TO PROTEST but you know you can just ignore all that and reduce it down to people not liking other people's opinions because you like your precious fucking chicken sandwiches and be ignorant and go to sleep knowing that you're helping donate to murderers
(TailsTurrosaki):If you were branded clothes you're giving money to companies who exploit children in 3rd world countries. Most fast food places buy meat from animals grown in inhumane conditions. Almost every business is involved in some unscrupulous business. I can understand you protesting against it, but it would seems like a double standard to boycott them because of their dodgy morals and then eat at any other fast food place, or wear branded clothes, etc.
(JimiHendrix) There's a big difference between child labour and animal cruelty, and supporting KILLING PEOPLE for their sexuality.
has this ministry been linked to murders directly?
That wasn't what I was implying at all. TailsTurrosaki called out the anon for being ignorant and supporting murderers and I was just pointing out that we're all guilty of this ignorance. We all, in some way, donate money that gets used for things we'd be ashamed of.
Protest and boycott all you want, but labeling those who refuse to do so as ignorant while you're guilty of the same ignorance is a kinda a big double standard.
Clothes are a necessity, JimiHendrix. But if I found out a clothing industry has bad policies and morals, I'd be sure to avoid it and go get a different brand. Same with most other things (except for the inevitable necessities that aren't quite as diverse yet are still thriving and important, such as oil).
But Chik-Fil-A? It's just cheap fast food that's average quality. That's easily replaceable. It's as simple as go somewhere else.
You're right, but I think you're missing hendrix's point. it's less a black and white all or nothing thing, more a, "hey if you think that you should also think about this" thing. He makes a valid point, and he's getting at the people who are insisting a more zero tolerance all-round policy towards chick-fil-a, while at the same time they support equally bastard-like companies.
Right on. I agree with you 100%
Indeed! But that kind of thing is getting harder and harder. It's like the guy who tried to live for a year without buying anything that was "Made in China" - he did it, but afterward commented on how difficult it really was. Even when we find "smaller companies", these days, more often than not, there is still some connection to a juggernaut. Did you see "monty python and the meaning of life" - that prelude bit where the small british insurance company attacks the american corporation. It's hilarious. In their boardroom they're sitting about and the guy annoounces "Now, gentlemen, we need to move on to the pressing matter of how much there is still left to own!". hahaha. And there's a little peasant in the background painting all the names of the companies they've acquired onto the wall
I don't really support any companies. I just buy products I like. This is why people should keep their personal agendas to themselves and not release that they hate gays or atheists or whatever to the public, otherwise this happens.
I like my chicken/meats with a little blood in them, maybe that's why they taste so good