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People are literally calling her a hero. It's so disgusting to me. It's true, nobody deserves to be bullied, but that's fucking life isn't it? You'll get bullied. If you don't want to get bullied, then grow the fuck up and get the fuck over it. She showed tits to some sick people, and they ruined her life. But, as some people have said, she wasn't willing to deal with the consequences. Not only that, I'm fairly sure she made it worse by the way she reacted to the bullying. She made a matures decision that she was so obviously not mature enough to deal with. Killing herself was selfish and poorly thought out. She is not 'brave' for what she did. Nor is she a 'hero'. Great fucking post OP.
Oh my god, finally someone that gets it. I mean, what kind of message is this sending to other impressionable teenagers that if you're being bullied in school, all you have to do is make a video about it, kill yourself, and people will make a Facebook page about you that gets hundreds of thousands of likes.
It's sickening that people are calling her a hero. To me, committing suicide is probably the weakest and most cowardly thing a person can do. What about the people that have been bullied or gone through far worse things? Where are their news articles and Facebook pages and praise for being a hero?
Just because this is a shitty reason for suicide doesn't mean suicide is always weak or cowardly. Yeah, lots of suicides are (like this one) but there's better reasons than this that justify such a choice.
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(/not that I'm biased or anything
Yeah, I'm not completely insensitive to the topic of suicide. My friend committed suicide earlier this year, not because of bullying, but simply because of depression. In my opinion, no matter what, suicide shouldn't be your go-to idea when times get rough.
And it also doesn't seem like Ms. Todd searched for any professional aid or advice during this whole thing, but turned to drugs instead.
Depression is an equally stupid reason to commit suicide. Don't call suicide wrong just because the only times you've been familiar with it, they've had shitty reasons. It's sad what happened to your friend but I think it was just as unnecessary as Amanda's suicide. Sometimes suicide is the answer.
At first I was going to disagree with what you were saying, but then I thought on it and I think I get it.
Like, committing suicide over stupid, petty reasons like bullying and depression is ridiculous. But when it's something more serious or life-threatening like being fatally ill or kidnapped and tortured, then I believe suicide would be the best way to deal with those situations.
Yes, good I'm glad you understand now
I wouldn't say that she deserved to die. But that was HER choice. So that was entirely on her. However, I would say that she fully deserved the bullying that she got at school and online after her video. This WAS her fault and SHE KNEW BETTER! Her bulliers at school were very justified! She was definitely NOT a hero, and I feel zero sympathy for her!
No. Nobody deserves to feel so low they kill themselves idgaf about what she did nobody in the entire world deserves that
Nowhere in this post did I say she deserves anything that she received. I simply said that she could have dealt with it better. And I believe all of the attention she is receiving on her video and suicide are only making it worse.
you're making it sound like she brought it on herself and deserved what she got because of that and that's just not true no matter what she did she was bullied people made her feel terrible every day to the point she took her own life there is no way to say she brought that on herself
She didn't deserve what she got, but she did bring it on herself.
nobody "brings on" bulling
Not literally. But if you post a picture of your tits on line, there will be consequences.
but she didn't bring it on ffs
Okay, fine, she didn't bring it on, but she dug herself into a hole, and she decided she wasn't going to dig herself out. It's sad, and I'm sorry she thought suicide was the only way, but she created her own problem.
Okay, I'm not saying that she brought the bullying on to herself because those were the actions of other people and out of her control. But what she did do was start this whole thing in the first place, like "flashing" men that she did not know or trust and knowingly sleep with a guy she knew had a boyfriend.
It's terrible that they beat her up over that, but in her video, she makes it seem like the guy is to blame when really, it's her actions that brought that on in the first place.
it. doesn't. matter. she doesn't deserve to be bullied over that. it was her choice to do it, nobody else's and therefore it's nobody else's business. it is their fault she got bullied to the point of suicide because they did it
You're contradicting yourself. It's exactly what you said. It was her choice to send those pics and sleep with someone else's boyfriend, so it should also be her choice to be able to deal with the consequences of her actions.
oh my god that's not what i mean
and tbh i don't feel like arguing over whether or not this girl like deserved her suicide and bullying?
so if you really think that whatever i don't care
How can you say whether or not she "deserved" her suicide? Suicide is a personal choice and she made her own. Whether or not she deserved the bullying is a different thing entirely, but killing yourself is something that is your choice and no one else's.
She did bring it on herself though.
Is ANYONE IN THE WORLD BESIDES ME thinking she obviously had some sort of pre-existing condition? She flashed her breasts while not ready to deal with the consequences. Who does that? If that was normal teenage girl behavior, I'd have been a much happier person a few years ago. She responded to threats to spread her nude picture by PROVIDING MORE NUDE MATERIAL TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE. She fucking trusted these guys to live up to their word. Those are pretty serious issues. That's not normal human behavior. I could go on forever, but I won't. I'm just saying, bullying was the least of her problems.
Exacly! In the video, she tries to suggest that she suddenly developed these anxiety issues and depression as an onset of the bullying, but that doesn't just happen. She must have had some earlier condition that was only made worse by the bullying.
Okay, I'd like to ask you the same question. Where did you get your information? Nowhere in her whole video did she say she thought the guy was her age. I think it's best to stick with the facts.
Also, to correct more incorrect information you just posted, she did send more photos. And why are you basing your "argument" on a biased memorial page and Google search results.
Don't try to argue with people on posts if all you have is faulty information. Just. Ugh, I have no words.
But the thing is, she shouldn't have felt so low. It was completely her fault that she was bullied by being a stupid whore and at the age of 13 fucking a guy she knew was in a relationship. Does this mean she deserved to be bullied? No, nobody does. But did she bring this at least in part on herself? Definitely. People kill themselves every day and a person on earth dies every second. Do you care about those people? Of course you fucking don't, why do you give two shits about a dumb slut who killed herself because people were mean?
personally, i'm a little concerned about all of of this recognition and publicity she is getting. i hope that no one would ever consider this but i feel like some people who have thought about suicide might take from all this the idea that as soon as you kill yourself you get tons of recognition and everyone loves you and talks about how beautiful you are. I hope that no one would ever act drastically on this idea, but you never know.
Exactly, this is what I'm worried about. And it's also said to see the social stigma that goes with suicide and how everyone seems to flip shit over the suicide of Amanda Todd who everyone thinks is so beautiful, but thousands of other people that aren't seen as "attractive" are just ignored and added to the list of suicide statistics.
yeah she may have caused a lot of it and all. but you would like to think that after someone publicly makes a video on YouTube for all to see telling how hurt she is, after switching schools numerous times, etc that people would show a little more compassion.
Yeah, I feel like the comments and stuff on that video are pretty horrible, but there are better alternatives to a situation like this than ending your own life.
I'm not condoning what those people did and how they treated her. I'm just saying that she could have dealt with her issues better than the way she did and in the end, everyone is to blame here. She is the catalyst because she sent the picture to someone she didn't know and that was a mistake, but the people that gave her shit for it are a huge part of the problem as well.
She could have also used the block/report feature on Facebook and deleted all of those so-called "friends".
It wasn't just cyberbullying. All the people at her school knew about the pictures.
Yeah, I know it wasn't just cyber-bullying. But if she had just blocked those people from her old schools that were posting offensive material, no one from her newer schools would have known anything about it.
Yes they would, some random guy made it his facebook profile picture, she can't control what other people see.
Yeah, exactly. She can't control what other people see, so I feel like she could have reacted in a more reasonable way than she did.
Yeah, I agree, but I'm saying she really couldn't escape the bullying.
Well, I'm just saying, if the bullying really got that bad, she could have just deleted her Facebook account and created a different one so that that man couldn't harass her and share her image with all of her Facebook friends.
As for when she got beat up at her school, that had absolutely nothing to do with her sending a nude picture and everything to do with poor judgement on her behalf.
I don't think she's a hero. She made some mistakes, which she DEFINITELY didn't deserve to die for, and then she killed herself. I feel bad for her, and I think it's awful how that happened and how she was bullied, but she isn't really a hero. If she hadn't killed herself then yes, I think she would be more inspirational for bullied kids and then she probably would be.
I'm not saying that people shouldn't feel sympathy for her, but calling her a hero is a little extreme.
She is the one who took and sent the tit pic after all.
Even though I still feel bad and sympathetic for her, and I don't think she deserved all the bullying she got and didn't deserve to die, but I agree. She's the one who flashed a guy, and then ended up sleeping with a guy who she knew had a girlfriend; she did both before she even became 15. Just, wtf, she's a kid she shouldn't be out doing that stuff. I assure you I'm a great and faithful friend, but if I found out my friend flashed a stranger online I'd lose all my respect for her. Of course I wouldn't bully her, and I'd still be her friend and by her side to help, but I'd try to be more distant.
Also, people are getting bullied way worse everyday and for reasons that aren't even their fault, yet they're still dealing with them in a better way.
I think part of it was her parent's fault; they should have taught her not to go on video with random strangers and especially not to flash them. Also, how did they let her go to that guy's house at night? And they should've helped her more.
Anyways I've said this before, and I'll say it again; suicide is never the answer. Rip Amanda
She also drank alcohol and I'm sure that made her choose some of the shitty things she did, but you can't just go calling alcohol bad and stupid for everyone, right?
By the time someone is in their teens, they should be able to grasp the simple fact that their actions will have consequences. People who are unable to deal with those consequences have no place in this world. The whole situation probably turned out as well as it could have.
If there's one thing I dislike about amirite, its that everyone is always on a moral high horse. I don't give a fuck. Honestly, could not care less. She took the pictures, she sent them, and that was her fault. Sure, everyone probably took it too far, but NEWSFLASH: PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLES!! She should've been smarter than that, and if she killed herself over it, well then she's even more stupid than I thought.
please don't reply to this if you're just going to say "Oh how could you not care about someone you don't know or care about killing themselves over something completely trivial!"
How could she have handled it better? Yeah, flashing the camera wasn't the smartest thing to do, but it was one mistake. She moved schools, she even moved towns, and people still came after her. It's not like she could just ignore it; a group of kids physically attacked her and left her in a ditch. I don't understand why people are blaming her for this.
Getting attacked by the group of kids and the posting of the picture online are two entirely different events. Yes, she moved school due to the harassment she was receiving from a stranger and the kids back home, but she could have blocked/reported them and deleted them as friends instead of continuing the let them have access to her newsfeed.
As for the whole getting attacked thing, she was the one that willingly slept with a guy that she knew had a girlfriend, so she is the one that started that, even though they took it to the extreme by beating her up.
And they did not "leave her in a ditch". She said she went to the ditch herself. She was beat up at school.
She turned to drugs and alcohol, she drank bleach, she performed more sexual acts in response to threats to spread the picture of her flashing, and she had sex with a boy who she knew was in a relationship. Yeah, she could have prevented everything.
It's not a sad story of "Oh, poor Amanda Todd! She made a single, little mistake that haunted her for the rest of her days!" No. She spent a lot of time making bad decisions that only made her situation worse. That's all she did.
She did more stuff on camera because she was probably afraid of those pictures making her lose all her friends. The drugs and alcohol and drinking bleach were a result of her depression and anxiety. I'm not going to blame someone for having a mental disorder. She didn't make good decisions and was definitely not a role model, but I don't look down on her for it. If I was in that situation I don't know what I would do.
People who are depressed don't just drink bleach.
She was trying to commit suicide. She was depressed and the bullying just made it worse. It led to her becoming suicidal.
That's the problem. She not only trusted these people, she gave them more material. Exactly, they were a result of something else, not the bullying. That's the point I'm trying to argue. Bullying is not some big monster that drives kids to suicide. Unless a kid already has some sort of disorder, bullying isn't going to do anything except teach them social and coping skills. I'd go so far as to say bullying is healthy. Having been bullied all my life, the best option would have been to let the pictures spread (like they did anyway) and just ignore it for a bit. I went to school with a girl who had multiple nude pictures being circulated. Nobody even talked about it anymore after three days or so.
I think we have very different opinions on this, and I don't see us agreeing any time soon. Let's just drop this.
And I'm not "blaming her" for the bullying her. What I am blaming her for, however, is her actions and how she tries to put the blame on everyone else when clearly it is her that could have prevented all of this in the first place.
Just because she could have prevented it doesn't mean it's not their fault.
I'm not saying it's not their fault either. In my opinion, everyone is to blame here and it's the way that everyone dealt with the situation that ultimately led to her social demise.
I just feel like you're saying it's partly her fault. Maybe you're not, maybe I'm just taking it wrong. But she just made one little mistake that snowballed. One mistake shouldn't lead to that kind of bullying.
No, no, I'm not saying the bullying is her fault. I'm just saying her actions are what led to the consequences and she probably should have been better prepared for what may or may not have happened.
Yeah, just read the story. No sympathy at all.
She needed better decision-making skills, or to grow some thicker skin. Honestly, that shit is pretty much on par with the bullying I dealt with growing up. Here I am, today; not giving a single fuck.
Oh please drop the "holier-than-thou" attitude. You are not Amanda Todd, and Amanda Todd is not you. You have no idea how YOU would've reacted if you had grown up in the same home as her, and experienced the same problems. People have different perspectives of the world based on their experiences as a child (did you know that personality is developed in the first five years of life? There's some knowledge on psychology, which you would do well to learn more about). You cannot compare yourself to Amanda Todd and act like you're better, because you don't know what it was like inside HER head. Not every human being is programmed the same. It sickens me how people think they understand others so well. She needed better decision-making skills? Is it her fault she didn't have them? Blame her parents for that, then. The fact that she didn't have thicker skin should be a source of sympathy, instead you're saying, "Gosh, she should be like ME. I'm so much better." God, you people are ridiculous.
I fucking love you. Thank you for having a real grasp on reality.
A lot of you don't seem to realize that everyone experiences things differently. After some bullying, perhaps your brain would say "fuck you guys", but hers might tell her none of this suffering is worth it.
Unless you guys have dealt with the same situation (that being stalked by some creep and alienated by your entire school, in multiple schools while battling depression), you have no right to say that she needed some thick skin. It's not that hard to just put things into perspective a little bit.
But no, everyone knows exactly what is right and wrong, and exactly how someone should feel and react in every situation.
Arrogant, self-righteous pricks.
Alright, I'm only going to respond to the part about "everyone knows exactly what is right and wrong".
Umm, serial killers? They actually have a mental condition where they lack empathy and are unable to connect with other human beings. They don't know what's right or wrong.
Also, what is right or wrong varies from person to person, so generalizing it and saying that "everyone" knows which is which is a gross oversimplification on your part.
People see abortions as being wrong, yet others find it to be acceptable. Those are completely opposing views.
And lastly, here you sit, arguing about a girl that committed suicide due to bullying and the immaturity of others, yet you comment that people are "arrogant, self-righteous pricks"?
I was being sarcastic with that statement.
As for my last line, it seems that everyone who bashes this chick is somehow immune to bullying; I need not worry how that affects them. Especially considering it is a general statement rather than a personal attack.
Here's a quick fact for you: 99.99999% of children are bullied. Less than 0.000001% kill themselves as a result. Her demise was 100% her own doing at every turn. I don't feel bad at all, and I don't see why I should. She obviously wasn't suited to this life, and she's not here anymore. She's not being bullied anymore, and she's not upset anymore. What is there to feel bad about?
*quick fact I just pulled out of my ass
I did pull it out of my ass, but I can almost guarantee it's accurate. Bullying is natural. It's human nature to try to assert dominance amongst one's peers, and to ostracize individual's perceived as different. That's just what kids do. You know what else kids do? They learn to fucking cope with it. She didn't learn to cope in an effective way, and was obviously a defective human being. Bullying is not the problem, pre-existing psychological abnormalities are the problem.
Bullying is different than a little condescending remark once in a while. I've never been bullied in the way one defines bullying, where a person is being taunted every single day about something they can't change. That's bullying, and few people make it out unscathed.
We must have seen very different things growing up. I've been to six different school in two different states. What she's been through is absolutely pedestrian compared to the things I've witnessed and been through growing up. I remember one incident specifically; this kid was harassing me constantly throughout all of my classes, and he was friends with everyone, so they harassed me as well. One day, he punched me in the face five consecutive times. We ended up in the office, he was crying, and I was laughing at him. Then before I moved, he found out what school I was going to. He said he knew people there, and he said he would get one of them to kill me. Know what happened? Nothing. I went there, got more than my share of bullying there, as well, then made some friends and grew up. That's psychological abuse, physical abuse, and death threats right there. That was only a single school year. What she went through doesn't impress me at all, especially since she brought it down upon herself. People are too soft. I can't believe today's humans descended from humans who had to tear each other apart in order to survive. Now people see fit to kill themselves over harmless taunting? Shit.
Good for you, you're not "soft", but I have to say most people do not go through bullying like yours or Amanda's. I do believe she could have handled it better but people react to things differently. She shouldn't be called a hero and she did make bad choices, but it's understandable the way she felt. It's her own life and her own personal battles, and she knew exactly how much she could take.
I know you, you're reasonable. Are you going to deny that, considering her course of action, she probably had some sort of pre-existing mental condition? I don't care how harsh of bullying it is, bullying does not drive mentally healthy people to drugs, alcohol, promiscuous behavior, and suicidal actions before they're even 15. It just doesn't happen.
I thought I was the only one that thought this, and I'm really glad I'm not. She did start it (though not knowing how it would escalate) and she had tried to commit suicide before. She should've been put somewhere she couldn't hurt herself with 2 failed suicides behind her.
Well they're right. She did become an hero
In my opinion, wrongly so.
Oh lord
What, is it because I used the "o" word?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/an-hero
Oh. Ooohhh...
I really need to get up-to-date with all of these memes.
She made a mistake. No, she shouldn't have sent those pictures or done what she did, but she did it. She couldn't take it back. And honestly, doing things like that isn't just "attention whoring"-- it was a sign that something was wrong with her from the get-go. She was struggling. She needed help. That doesn't mean she deserved the bullying and the hatred. She was just a little girl. And of course there are options other than suicide, but speaking as someone who struggles with mental illness and was bullied extensively when she was younger, it's hard to see that when it's your life that feels out of control. As outsiders looking in it's easy to say "she should have asked for help," or "there are better ways of solving her problems," but it's not that easy when it's you. I am in no way encouraging suicide, but you really have to try to see it from the eyes of a trapped, scared little girl. Sometimes it really does look like the only way out.
I in no way said that she "deserved" the bullying she got, and if you read any of the previous comments, you would see that. I am also not only blaming the people that exploited her, but Amanda as well, because when you really look at it, she is the one that began all of this in the first place.
As someone said earlier, if she was going to send pictures to a stranger online, she should have been prepared for the consequences, whether she had known they would escalate the way they did or not. And, as you suggest, she is only a child, so if she is going to partake in activities that are for sound and mature minds, she should be ready and able to deal with the consequences in an mature manner as well.
And I also never said that she was being an attention whore.
I wasn't speaking directly to you, just in general.
But as I said, her sending those pictures is proof that there was something wrong, that she was struggling. For someone struggling with mental illness, especially someone so young, it's hard to think ahead to the consequences.
You can't look at her actions as face value. A normal, emotionally well girl doesn't do stuff like that. Therefore you have to look at the WHY. There was clearly something wrong.
Okay, I kind of understand where you're coming from, but why do you consider sending naked pictures to be some kind of mental condition? That's perfectly normal behavior and should suggest nothing close to being psychologically unsound.
Not at her age it isn't. It's seeking attention in drastic ways, which is a sign of mental illness (such as depression.)
It wasn't the act of the picture alone that makes me think that, of course. It's all the sexual stuff she did in the hopes that these boys would love her. Clearly she was suffering.
Does anyone know where I can find an article about this that they think is pretty accurate? I feel like the ones I'm reading are sort of biased, and most of them are acting like the things she did before her suicide were no biggie.
Don't read the articles. See it right from the source.
Aw thanks, man
I also find it quite hilarious that the majority of the people commenting on this video are exactly the type of people that would get eaten alive if they were to get in an argument on amirite.
http://decodedscience.com/schoo...lescents/10476
Just wanted to slap this right here in order to support my point. She was more than likely fucked before any of this happened.
I might have read something different than you, since I know there are several stories floating around, but I read that she was being stalked and physically harmed with little to no help from teachers or parents. I don't believe in suicide because I think things always get better, but she was in a pretty deep hole. It was her fault, but it spun way out of her control.
I didn't read an article. I watched her video that she posted on YouTube.
And the thing is, she didn't seek help. Under no circumstances were the actions of the people that were bullying her acceptable, but it was her job to seek professional help once she realized this had escalated beyond her control.
OK I'm changing my vote. I just watched the rest of the video and I see what you mean. The article I read was pretty biased and played off her mistake like it was nothing. She definitely made a big mistake and overreacted to the consequences.(I still think the bullying was terrible, though, obviously.)
Yeah, when it comes to serious issues like this, I always try to stick as close to the source as possible, because people are always going to insert their opinions no matter what.
And yes, it was incredibly immature for her "friends" and those random people to exploit her that way, but there is always a better way to handle bullying.
Amanda is gone...how about we all get off the computer and help someone that is still here and needs our help??
She played an equal part with her harassers. Had she not done what she did, they wouldn't have harassed her, and had they not harassed her she wouldn't have ultimately died. They're all to blame, no-one has more blame than any other one. What she did was wrong, but what they did was wrong too. She shouldn't be classified as a hero, but she shouldn't be put down either. She's dead. Saying negative things about her has no impact on her, only her family and others who most likely only know the details from biased personas.
I disagreed because I don't think that this post acknowledges that there were others to blame, not just her. It is not entirely her fault. I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but really. It's her fault but not completely, and it's the fault of the other people but not completely. They both played a essential part in the losing of a life.
Sending a pic of your blobs to someone does not mean you deaerve to kill yourself. If that many people attacked me like that i would probably want to do kill myself too. Why are you blaming her for that? Yea, there are alot of things she could have done better but you don't know where her mind was at that time. You should blaim the asshole kids that were bullying her. I wouldn't say the things they said to anyone, no matter what they did.
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Dear Jesus, man! This isn't even youre post! You don't have to reply to all the comments..
Also, nice name. Real original.
It's something I feel strongly about.
I know, Mike is one of the most common male names in the world. Not my fault.
Okay, I don't feel like arguing about this any more. Obviously you didn't read any of the previous comments and you're also assuming that I'm siding with these people that are bullying, which I am not.
Please refer to above comments.
PROBABLY going to get some kind of warning for that.
If you think Amanda Todd could've handled the situation better than she did, then you obviously have no grasp of human psychology. She didn't share the same perspective of you. If she posted her own breasts online, she was obviously very sick and (if you asked a cognitive psychologist) had a distorted perspective of the world. She wasn't capable of helping herself, because she wasn't psychologically stable. Please learn about depression and psychology before you go around judging other people, especially those who have committed suicide.
What? Since when has flashing someone or being sexually aroused been a psychological issue?
If that was the issue someone could've mentioned the possibility of it being a mental disorder. She didn't have to flash for them.