Why can't you guys just say that you want to get high? I'm sure you couldn't care less about the medical benefits to others you're just using them as a poster child for your cause.
Because people are fucking ignorant and aren't okay with legalizing it without some sort of reason. They should need a reason to criminalize it, not the other way around.
Well, they do have a reason to criminalize it. It's a stimulant and can have negative affects. But with alcohol having a lot more negative effects and it's legal? That's a double standard. I see why it's illegal, and in reference to what you said since they don't have a reason to legalize it they should do it so everyone will stop bitching about it and can be "happy".
But it's not a stimulant and doesn't have any negative effects within reason. A perfectly healthy adult with no predisposition to any psychological illness will more than likely never get a side-effect from it. Give them a year of heavy use (not smoking), then have them stop. Ten years down the line, you would never be able to tell from a physiological sign that they ever used it. The same can't be said for many other drugs.
I agree. Although I'm nat sure if someone could stop after a year of heavy use, as it can be addictive. But none the less, regardless of positive or negative side affects and all that mumbo jumbo, I say make it legal so everyone will stop complaining. lol
There are way more reasons to make marijuana legal besides getting high and the medical benefits. The situation we have with marijuana today is VERY similar to problems with prohibition in the 20s. Making it illegal is NOT stopping its use. For another thing, if a drug is legal there can be way more control exercised over it and thus decreasing abuse of the drug. Also, the money spent on the drug would be going into the economy and not some dealer's pocket. For another thing, marijuana has proven to be WAY less harmful than alcohol. When was the last time you heard of someone beating their kid because they smoked too much pot? Never. How many recorded causes of death does marijuana have? ZERO! I have kept my points brief but if you would like me to expound more on any of them I can. You should also check out the song "Prohibition is Still a Failure" by the Atomic Duo. It pretty much says what I did only in song form :D
I just want to get high.
I have never smoked marijuana in my life and I don't plan to, but I completely agree with this post. Also, to add to it, marijuana is far less damaging to the lungs and less physically addictive than tobacco. If that nasty shit is legal, then pot should be too.
I see what you're saying. And to add to your point people don't want it for the medical benefits, just the sick people do. everyone else wants to get high. But it should be legal so that all the dealing and importing and people sneaking it would stop and it would be one less thing for us to worry about.
don't be a douche by assuming everyone that argues this is arguing it for the wrong reason. You're completely invalidating any scientific or medicinal motives by claiming everyone that wants to legalize it wants to use it for fun.
I actually do care about the medical benefits. Getting high is fun and all, but this plant has so much potential. It saves lives every day. How could someone not hold that in high regard?
it saves lives? wut
Yes. For many people, the use of marijuana is their lifeline.
How does it physically save lives? Explain
My teacher told me she had a friend with cancer who couldn't eat anything while going through chemo, and was getting malnourished and really really sick. They prescribed marijuana to him, and he's okay now. I'm not saying pot DIRECTLY cured his cancer, but it was helpful in saving his life. I'm not aware of it being a cure for anything, though. Sorry Tribune.
It can be helpful yes. It does not save lives.
What could legitimately be defined as saving someone's life?
Whatever your little heart desires
Because the fact that it helps people moderately and slows the growth and spread of many various cancers means that marijuana can only be helpful, but does not save lives.
I don't disagree.
"It can be helpful yes. It does not save lives."
You said it doesn't save lives. I said it doesn't save lives. So I don't disagree?
Because the fact that it helps people moderately and slows the growth and spread of many various cancers means to you that marijuana can only be helpful, but does not save lives.
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ARGUE WHEN IM AGREEING WITH YOU
... You said marijuana doesn't save lives. I think it does save lives. Thanks for responding in caps. that always clears things up in a misunderstanding.
._."marijuana can only be helpful but does not save lives"
http://amirite.com/747914-marij...-their/1873831 Quoting yourself
when did you say it saves lives?
I was just asking you what counts as saving lives, if not curing cancer? http://amirite.com/747914-marij...-their/1873840 http://amirite.com/747914-marij...-their/1873856
It doesn't cure cancer ._.
I'm calling bullshit until I see a source on this.
That's not how you science.
The medical properties treat and cure life threatening illnesses.
Name one illness it cures or treats. It treats some symptoms of some illnesses.
Let's go with cancer for one. It slows the growth and spread of many various cancers. In some cases, it has even destroyed cancer cells. Some individuals have been entirely cured of all cancer cells. This is from using cannabis containing a high percentage of CBD (cannabidiol) in large amounts over a period of time. I'm not saying it will cure everyone. The cure is somewhere in there though. With more research on the plant, breakthroughs are sure to be made.
Besides autophagy, cannabinoids set off apoptosis which is the normally programmed death of a cell. Cancer cells "forget" that they are supposed to die- cannabinoids "remind" them that they were supposed to be dead long ago.
I'm calling bullshit til I see a source on this.
I uncall bullshit, but I still just want to get high.
I have no problem with medical marijuana. Leagalizing recreational marijuana, on the other hand...
I like not being replied to.
My grandpa died from lung cancer caused by smoking. So no, I'm not keen on it. I don't have a problem with alcohol if it's being use wisely. It's not something that I'd necessairly do, though.
In what way? Restate please.
"wisely" meaning that it is not underaged drinking and not drinking to get drunk, which people rarely do.
I'm one of those freaks who, on the inside, thinks that alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal. Since my opinion is so radical, my "argument" probably wouldn't be useful to you.
However, we discussed the economic side of legalizing marijuana in my econ class. So, personal moral code aside, legalizing it probably wouldn't be the best choice.
How, from an economic standpoint, is legalization not the best choice?
one would think from an economic standpoint a new marketable crop would help, creating an entirely new industry, new jobs etc. Explain?
Yeah, why? Why do you hate everybody's well being?
Yeah! Because everyone has cancer and just because there are worse things means that we should be able to do anything. I'm not against it, I'm just saying: your argument sucks.
Maybe I didn't see that because I'm against all drugs, personally. On a national/international scale, however, it may be beneficial to economies (think: end of prohibition) or certain individuals. It may also be detrimental to society(think: prohibition). I will never use drugs that may be unsafe, but I don't know about the larger scheme.
"Something bad ONCE happened to my ONE friend so NOBODY can do it."
You could also argue that he would have developed those symptoms anyway. You can't just assume it was the marijuana. There are plenty of non-marijuana smokers that this happens to. And "schizophrenia-like symptoms". What does that even mean? I assume you mean suspiciousness, unusual thoughts, paranoia, thought disorder, blunted affect, reduced spontaneity, reduced interaction with the interviewer, and problems with memory and attention. That's called BEING REALLY HIGH! It's true that marijuana can induce "schizophrenia-like symptoms" but that's because being schizophrenic really is like being incredibly high all the time. When schizophrenia was first being studied some doctors would take a does of LSD (much stronger than THC) so they would understand what the patient was experiencing. THC will not cause schizophrenia by any means. But its similarities to its effects could cause someone who already has it to have a schizophrenic episode because their mind will think that it is already taking place. Also the "schizophrenic-like symptoms" only occur at devilishly high doses. To refute all proven medical benefits of something because of one controversial side-effect is irrational.
Just like Scientist said, the "symptoms" these people are experiencing is called being high. They're not permanent. I know people who smoke regularly, and they barely experience any side effects at all. They can smoke all they want, and you wouldn't notice the slightest change in their personality.
Facts aside, it's really upsetting that you're going to let a SINGLE incident dissuade you. It's understandable that you can't support it personally, but can't you support it for the greater good? Cannabis being illegal kills far more people than cannabis itself ever will. Keeping it illegal won't bring your flatmate back, and it certainly won't prevent similar things from happening considering it happened WHILE cannabis was illegal. Doesn't that affect anything? Obviously the current policy isn't working if people like him are still dying. We need a change. We NEED it.
He probably had a predisposition to schizophrenia. It's well known and accepted that ANY drug can aggravate underlying psychological disorders.
Also, did you miss the last three paragraphs in your link? They mean more to me than the rest of the link.
"They suggest that drugs which target the cannabinoid system are “a new therapeutic possibility for psychotic disorders.” However, they warn that drug studies so far have not had straightforward results, with different types of drug showing different effects.
But despite all these limitations, cannabidiol, a compound found in cannabis that activates cannabinoid receptors, has shown fairly consistent antipsychotic properties in animal tests. Recent studies indicate that cannabidiol may be as effective as antipsychotics in treating schizophrenia.
The benefit of cannabidiol appears similar to that gained from atypical antipsychotic drugs, and so far it is considered a safe and well-tolerated compound. Future studies will need to compare its antipsychotic effects against standard drugs for schizophrenic patients."
All of these studies are very ambiguous, and I think people take things out of context.
The thing is, making marijuana illegal obviously isn't stopping people from using it. Like the person several comments above said, legalizing it puts more control over it and also allows it to be taxed, which is money toward the economy.
If marijuana were to become legalized, it's not like it would be sold in every grocery and drug store for anyone to buy. Again, it would be more controlled.
It would also help tone down the problem of drug smuggling, although only a bit.
plus, with it being illegal for everyone, people of all ages sneak around about it. if it were only illegal for those under 18, i think it would be a lot easier to prevent brain damage as a result of excessive use during brain development. nowadays theres this sense of "everyone's doing it, it's illegal but no one cares" about pot. i think if we controlled it more people would be more hesitant.
exactly, because something that needs to be controlled seems more...serious, I guess.
Those negative effects only apply if it is used while the brain is still in the high developmental stage of life. This is usually <18 but can go up to <21 for some individuals.
Can someone link me to the studies that say this? Because I always hear it but I never believe it. It sounds to me like people are confusing correlation with causation, usually. Also, your picture's contrast with your comment is extremely amusing.
Are you okay now, though? (I'm not skeptical, just curious.)
Huh. That's really good to know, thanks! :)
The only reason to keep alcohol legal and marijuana illegal is culture. Both are drugs and can have harmful effects. The biggest difference is that alcohol is and was a widely used drug; marijuana has a long history but is and was much less common.
But it has been linked to testicular cancer, sadly. Good thing I don't have balls. First time being a girl is better than being a boy
Where who what where -- studies or it didn't happen
The people who voted down this post are ignorant. It's too bad there is such a stigma around marijuana, it's really not that bad. Marijuana is a PLANT that grows naturally on earth. All these other drugs (meth, cocaine, heroin) are made in a lab and they actually fuck you up. Not to mention, alcohol and tobacco are far worse for you than weed.
I don't care about any medical benefits it may have, I live in America, a country founded on the principle of freedom, and I believe that every person in this country has the right to make poor decisions if they want to. I couldn't be more opposed to the consumption of marijuana, but I am not opposed to freedom.
But that infringes on the other person's freedom to not be stabbed.
Well, what's a better example then?
And I don't foresee any problems. As long as everyone exercising their freedom to participate in any given activity is doing so in the presence of only other people that have consented to be in the presence of that activity, then I don't see the problem. What should anyone care if someone smoked weed in their basement with some friends and then waited for the effects to wear off? Heck, it's a bit extreme, but I'd even be fine with someone killing someone, as long as the killer consented to kill them, the victim consented to be killed, and any witnesses consent to witness it.
The problem is with the current system, in which people infringe on the freedom of others by not giving them a choice as to whether they'll be in the presence of intoxicated persons or asking their permission to kill them.
Yeah, certain people may disagree with various activities for moral reasons, but the government does not exist to govern our morals.
I guess it would be pretty close to anarchy, but it would be an anarchy where everyone is more concerned with the comfort of others than they are with their own comfort. People aren't like that, so it will probably never happen, but if it weren't for human nature, it would work.
Can too much alcohol kill you? Yes.
Can too much pot kill you? No (or it's never happened).
But pot gives you lung cancer! So do cigarettes, and marijuana can be vaporized -- no smoke, no cancer.
Is marijuana psychologically addictive? Yes. But so are alcohol and tobacco, and get this: they are also physically addictive. Pot is more of a bad habit than a physical addiction.
So we've got alcohol and tobacco, which can directly kill people...
And marijuana, which doesn't...
I though weed wasnt addictive...
It can be mentally addictive, unlike tobacco which is mentally AND physically addictive. Basically reiterating what ThymeAgain said.
Too much pot can actually kill you.
yyyeah it can. It's not impossible, just veryyy hard to do. Practically everything has an LD50even coffeebut just because it's improbable doesn't mean it's impossible.
PROBABLY, no one will ever die from marijuana or has died from it. But, you can't say it's impossible because there is an LD50 for it.
Whoops, I didn't mean to cross out even coffee. it's those stupid dash things. Pretend those are parentheses instead.
Well, I know anything can kill you, but I just meant it's not feasible or possible in any standard situation. It says the LD50 is 800 mg/kg. That's a FUCKING LOT.
A little bit of horrible and quick math. An average human adult is 100 kg. That's 80,000 mg for a lethal dose. 80 grams is way more than you'd ever be able to smoke. Around where I live, you can purchase a gram of really good cannabis for 20 dollars. Of that gram, maybe 10% is THC. Of that THC, you get maybe a quarter of it from smoking. That's a dose of maybe 25 mg from smoking a gram of cannabis. You'd have to smoke 3,200 grams of cannabis to reach that LD50. Considering that THC has a half-life of a few hours in the body, you'd have to manage to smoke over 3 kilograms of cannabis in under a few hours to get some sort of toxic effect.
In short, it's just not going to happen to anyone anytime soon.
I know. I was just pointing out that it is possible. Not likely to happen anytime soon, but possible.
What if 1000 tons of it falls on you? Boom, killed by pot.
I'm actually going to put some sort of reasoning in this comment. It was never established the cannabis can cause any sort of lasting side-effect in healthy individuals. This has never been established. Not a single side-effect. Stating any lasting side-effect as a fact is unsubstantiated crap. It's more than likely and generally accepted that cannabis can exacerbate latent psychological conditions, but not cause them when they are absent.
Let me give you a metaphor. Iron can rust. Water can accelerate the rusting of iron. It is not guaranteed iron will rust, nor is it guaranteed wet iron will rust. However, water can make iron that would have otherwise not rusted rust. Gold, however, cannot rust. Gold will not rust on its own, nor will any amount of water make it rust.
It's also certainly worth mentioning that cannabidiol, the second most abundant psychoactive constituent of cannabis, is effective at treating psychological disorders like schizophrenia.
I thought this was a pretty interesting read.
Has it been proven that it CAUSED it? Or has it been observed that kids who smoke pot are often schizophrenic later in life? So actually, what could be happening is that the kids are troubled by early signs of schizophrenia and turn to marijuana? Not the other way around?
We're talking correlation vs. causation here, buddy.
The only thing that made me mad about this post was that it said "Agree or disagree" instead of Amirite.
Call me old-fashioned, but I missed the old Amirite.
Cannabis is illegal because it as a cheap,useful product that has way too much competition. It can be used in the manufacturing of paper, which competes with companies Georgia-pacific,Domtar, & KOCH Industries. It can be used in industrial textiles, which competes with Du Pont, Eastman, Ashland & Rhodio. It can be used in foods & cooking oils, which competes with Cargill, ConAgra foods, and Bunge. It can be used for building materials, which competes with Rhodio, Cargill, Steel Dynamics, US Steel. It can be used in Fuel, which competes with Exon, BP, Hess, Ashland & Sunoco. The list goes on & on. Until we find a way around this I doubt it's gonna be recreationally legalized throughout the whole US.
Actually, stronger strains of marijuana, like those from some places in Africa, can be far more intoxicating than alcohol and even deadly.
then wouldn't it be safer to legalize it to regulate it?
I feel like you're trolling, but let me put it this way. Why would a plant that is native to Asia grow better in Africa? Even if that were somehow the case, people have been growing and selectively breeding cannabis for ages, now. That's as top-tier as the potency is going to get. Further still, people have technology. We have isolated the active ingredients and are well aware of their chemistry. People have been making preparations for consumption that are an upwards of 90% THC by weight for centuries. For comparison, 15% THC by weight is considered extremely potent for the plant's flowers.
It is not always about getting stoned for people it is about suppressing a severe pain from a horrible medical issue. Why does everyone seem to think that marijuana is bad for a medical reason yet how many raging alcoholics are out there in the world now?
I don't see why it isnt: is is as if not less harmfulmthan tabacco, the government can tax it an control it, doctors can perscribe iy, and we can have fun.
+ my friend who has joint problems, her doctor "suggested" cannibis to help relax and loosen them. And it really helped her!
You know what else helps cancer? Chemo. You don't see me running to get some though. I agree that there is medical uses for weed and that's why there is such thing as medicinal marijuana, but it's illegal for dumb healthy teenagers who just want to get high... you honestly have no productive use for it
Any particular reason you're on this site? Since you seem to have a problem with things that don't have any productive use, I don't think you should be here. I also assume you don't listen to music, play games, watch movies, or entertain yourself in any way.
just thought i ought to congratulate you. BOOM ROASTED