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If someone lives life as the best person they could have possibly turned out for their circumstances, they are worthy of respect, even if they are bad for the world, amirite?

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With this logic, Hitler and Stalin are pretty boss, yo.

@Captainspadevatore With this logic, Hitler and Stalin are pretty boss, yo.

If that were the best they could've possibly turned out for their circumstances, they deserve some respect. They would not be "boss" for that, but there is no way for anyone to ever know. We can only judge their worth to society based on actions

@Watchful_questioneer If that were the best they could've possibly turned out for their circumstances, they deserve some respect. They...

They would still deserve zero respect. If the best someone can be is a genocidal monster, how would that warrant an iota of respect regardless of effort? We choose our actions, and are judged by them, no excuses. People aren't perfect. They can make mistakes and be forgiven, but there is a line between mistakes and genocidal monsters.

@amiwhite They would still deserve zero respect. If the best someone can be is a genocidal monster, how would that warrant an...

You wouldn't be respecting or condoning their actions. That would be wrong. You could respect the fact that they made the most of themselves (not in influence, but in good), and Hitler and Stalin almost definitely did not. The thing about it is that you could never know for sure how much someone made of their potential to be good, so you could never truly know whether they deserve any respect for that

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