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America is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave not the land of the secure and the home of the timid. Amirite

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I think freedom can require security

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O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
I must have missed the part where it said this requires security.

A caged bird is secure - a hunted one is free

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” ― Benjamin Franklin

@VicZinc O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave? I must...

the caged bird is an extreme situation
there's overlap between the freedom and security sometimes

having security at the mall gives me the freedom to roam

and here's another view of that Franklin quote:
http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wi...seriously.html

it's the same one I used here:
http://www.amirite.com/758523-i...y-than-freedom

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@fuzala the caged bird is an extreme situation there's overlap between the freedom and security sometimes having security...

Of course there needs to be basic security - laws, police, etc. This post is not denying that.

So by disagreeing with this post you are saying what?

That America is the home of the secure and the timid.
Well, I am sorry to say that I agree with you. It was not founded that way, but it has become that, thanks to so many people (like the author of your article) that have not experienced real adversity and do not know what it is really like to have your freedoms taken away.

So enjoy roaming the malls. You earned it.

@VicZinc Of course there needs to be basic security - laws, police, etc. This post is not denying that. So by disagreeing...

I disagreed because I think secure can be added on
and be the Land of the Secure too

AND FINE DEN
I hate going to the mall
so I don't enjoy roaming them
that was just a frivolous example

and you don't know the author
how would you know what this person has been through?

I don't get how choosing security is such a terrible thing

I'm okay with being locked up in prison if it means I won't be getting tortured

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@VicZinc You are not alone. And I am afraid the caged bird is all too common.

well I don't want to lose freedom or security

I'd just love to have them both

but having to choose between the two
what would you choose and why?

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@fuzala well I don't want to lose freedom or security I'd just love to have them both but having to choose between the...

They are of course not mutually exclusive.

I would not want my rights taken away in the name of security.

The rights we enjoy in the US provide for security (privacy, arms, unreasonable search, habeas corpus, maranda, etc.) That is all the security I need.

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Oh, maybe I misunderstand. I thought habeas corpus prevented a government from detaining a person without formal charges and could compel a jailer to bring a prisoner before a judge.

At Guantanamo the US has suspended habeas corpus (we bastards).

@VicZinc They are of course not mutually exclusive. I would not want my rights taken away in the name of security...

Do over:

I don't like the suspension of habeas corpus
I think it takes the innocent until proven guilty and reverses it

it would depend on the situation on whether I would choose freedom or security

so I guess I change my mind about that other post

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