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Good question. Whether the drug is unlawful or not does not change the issue for me. Is it immoral to work in a machine gun factory? Or a bomb factory? Or MacDonald's for that matter?

I believe everyone is responsible for their own behavior. Therefore I lean towards no. It's the buyer's responsibility to keep harmful things out of his/her body. Selling drugs simply fulfills a demand in the marketplace.

However, if you know your product is harmful, and you sell it by deceiving your customers (e.g. the health benefits of smoking), that would be despicable.

@PhilboydStudge Good question. Whether the drug is unlawful or not does not change the issue for me. Is it immoral to work in a...

that's different though

when guns are sold
the seller doesn't know if it's used as protection or for murder
sames goes for knives, etc.

with drugs
the sellers knows what its gonna be used for

if it's at the pharmacy
seller knows it's for health reasons

if it's in some smelly outhouse
then, the seller knows what it's for there too
unless it's some undercover cop or something

I would consider it immoral to sell cigarettes because the seller knows that it's probable that the cigarettes are gonna be used in a way that's harmful

they have knowledge of such

and the think about cigarettes is that it's not just the smoker
it harms the rest of the people who have to inhale that

in fact
second hand smoke is even more harmful since those poor souls don't get a filter

I'd say something similar about alcohol

I'm sure both cigarettes and alcohol are classified under drugs

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply
@fuzala that's different though when guns are sold the seller doesn't know if it's used as protection or for murder sames...

No, with drugs, the seller doesn't know if it's being used responsibly or being abused... much like the other examples listed. It's possible to do drugs without abusing them.

In a pharmacy, the seller assumes it's for health reasons (I'm also leaving out the corrupt pharmacists). But there are plenty of people who turn around and use their prescription meds for recreational use. So the pharmacist is the same as the dealer on the corner. You can't blame them. It's called self control and if somebody doesn't have it, it's nobody's fault but their own.

Also, with second hand smoke: People always bring it up as though every smoker goes out and forces a bunch of non-smokers to sit in an inclosed area while they blow smoke in their face. That's not how it is and with stricter laws on smoking indoors, there are less smokers doing it.

You should also consider that the statistics of people harmed from secondhand smoke are typically people who were around it there whole lives (i.e their parents smoked in the house and car). One little whiff of smoke every now and then is much less dangerous than the fumes from nearby cars on a busy street. I'm personally not going to smoke around non-smokers in public, but seriously now... it's ridiculous to think you'll get cancer from being exposed for a few seconds from time to time.

StickCavemans avatar StickCaveman No, it is not immoral. +2Reply
@StickCaveman No, with drugs, the seller doesn't know if it's being used responsibly or being abused... much like the other...

in general
that's because the pharmacist intends to sell it for honest reasons and of making money
the prescriptions is supposed to help people with their ailments
it's not done with fear or in secret

if the pharmacist is doing it with corrupt intentions that harm others
than that person is doing something immoral too

the dealer in the corner is selling it secretively
and with the intention of making money
no prescription
no intention of helping with an ailment

prescription drugs are necessary for health
so can't get rid of them without harming people

the other kind
not necessary
and choosing not to sell them is the better idea

sure there's a demand
but that doesn't mean you have to be the one supplying it

selling drugs like cigarettes
the user is definitely abusing that one
no way you can "not abuse" when using cigarettes
even if there is away
almost all of smokers abuse it

and the smoker isn't the only one who has to deal with their actions
the rest of society has to pay the burden according to the "The True Cost of Smoking..."

and second hand smoke is a problem
when on the sidewalk
they walk and smoke
and I'm walking behind them
I smell it every single time

"For nonsmokers, breathing secondhand smoke has immediate harmful effects on the cardiovascular system that can increase the risk for heart attack. People who already have heart disease are at especially high risk."

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data...general_facts/

it has negative effects when people are exposed at work, school, etc.

places people go to regularly

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply
@fuzala in general that's because the pharmacist intends to sell it for honest reasons and of making money the...

The dealer on the corner is selling it secretively because he will be arrested if he is caught. And don't say, "it's wrong because it's illegal." Legal and illegal isn't defined by moral and immoral just as ethical and unethical doesn't define what is legal or illegal.

I also don't think it's fair to say the dealer has no intention to help anyone. The dealer is providing the user with their fix: helping them. The dealer is also providing for himself and his family by selling the drug: helping someone.

Making recreational drugs illegal means people will resort to underground methods of obtaining them. These underground channels can sometimes prove to be dangerous and deadly. We also have an overcrowded prison system because of it all for what? Because some congressmen want to impose their morals and values on the country? All because they perceive an open, regulated market for drug use as promoting its use?

So since alcohol and cigarettes are currently legal, you really can't get rid of them without harming people because getting rid of them means the dangerous, underground channels will be opened.

Everything in moderation. The reason cigarettes are so bad is because most people who smoke them, do it very regularly. One or two cigarettes here and there doesn't mean you'll become addicted and it doesn't mean you'll die of cancer. That is not abuse. It's the same as someone going to McDonald's once every now and then... no harm is done. But of course, those who visit every day, are probably most likely to become obese.

So you smell the smoke from people on the sidewalk? I can see how that would be annoying, but unless you're in a tightly quartered, unventilated space with them, I seriously doubt the secondhand smoke is any more harmful than a car going down the road beside you.

Please refer back to my statement on where secondhand smoke statistics are usually taken from. I'm not saying secondhand smoke isn't harmful, but the people affected from it are exposed to it for a good percentage of their lives and it's not just some people walking down a sidewalk.

StickCavemans avatar StickCaveman No, it is not immoral. +1Reply
@StickCaveman The dealer on the corner is selling it secretively because he will be arrested if he is caught. And don't say...

you're missing my points

not once did I mention legality in this post
I've only been talking about morality
because that's what OP focused on
"Is the sale of drugs immoral?"

I'm not dismissing what you said
but what I said still holds true

helping your family with money that was obtained at the expense of others...

there are other jobs out there
you just have to be willing to do them

I think they're called sin taxes for a reason
it's because the damage and destruction from these goods is no secret

benefiting from someone else's harm
doesn't sit right with me
doesn't seem ethical to me

and providing someone with a fix isn't helping them
it's feeding their addiction

if they need a fix
they should go to their doctor
so they can get a fix that is more beneficial

dealers don't have the credentials

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply
@fuzala you're missing my points not once did I mention legality in this post I've only been talking about morality...

I feel I covered your points pretty well. I'm aware you didn't mention legality but covered it in case you were to use it as a rebuttal.

Yes, they should go to a doctor but it's up to them to do it, not their dealer. It's not the dealer's business what his buyer does with the drugs just as it is not any business owner's business what their buyer does with their product. I could buy a car with the intention of driving it into a building but is it not the car dealership's fault.

It's not as easy as just taking the available jobs out there. I know a few marijuana dealers who sell it because their current jobs aren't providing them with enough income. Plus, they don't see marijuana as a bad product that causes any harm.

So obviously, it's a case of what each person finds to be ethical or unethical. In this case, it should not be up to the government to choose. If I want to run a business that sells cigarettes and alcohol, then I should have the right to. If you want to run a business that does not sell cigarettes and alcohol, then you have every right to do that.

StickCavemans avatar StickCaveman No, it is not immoral. 0Reply
@StickCaveman I feel I covered your points pretty well. I'm aware you didn't mention legality but covered it in case you were to...

I don't think the car example works because using a car doesn't guarantee immediate negative effects

I really didn't want to talk about legality at all here
I wanted to stick to morality
but since you keep bringing it up
it depends on popular consensus

the countries with the lowest alcohol rates also have alcohol bans
these are also places where the majority would choose not to drink in the first place because of their personal beliefs

that's why prohibition works great in some nations
and not so well in others

I think the main reason for that is popular consensus
and also how high/low the demand is for the "good"

http://www.amirite.com/761328-o...-it-in-another

one of the government's job is to protect people
and if there's a popular consensus of what rules should be implemented to protect its people
then that's what's gonna happen
especially in a democracy

I thought of something else with the dealer
if it's illegal in his/her area
then why risk going to jail?
I'd think that would cause more harm to the family

about half the world lives off of less than 2 bucks a day
it just depends on the standard of living I guess
if you're used to a very high standard
then you're gonna have to lower your standards

it's sad that people need more income
but I don't follow the
"you gotta do whatchu gotta do"
if more income is necessary
you're gonna have to find a legal way to do it
I'm sure there are other last resorts

I'd prefer the person sell weed than have to suffer with prostitution

I see some people say weed is fine
no harm done

then I see others saying something sorta the opposite of that
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/marijuana

and you definitely can't say no harm done with other drugs

people even go crazy with coffee
at first
I didn't understand why Mormons didn't drink coffee

and then I saw how some claim that it's more dangerous than weed

but then some say that's not true

people used to say cigarettes are healthy
and now they they say it's EVIIIIIIL (aka cancer sticks)

so in these situations
where I'm hearing two opposite views
I err on the side of caution and safety

opposite views are easier to accept when they're opinions
not so much when opposing sides have contradictory facts

it's not about whether or not you believe something is harmful for you

there's gotta be something that says objectively
"Yes, x is harmful for you. There's a y risk of addiction, z chances of l , and the side effects are a, b, and c."

on to morality:
I think it's immoral to harm yourself

I also think it's wrong to assist someone in doing so

that's how I arrived on my voting choice on this post

now one can talk about how cars, fast food, etc can be harmful just like drugs can be

but I just don't see them as the same day
even if all those things can kill you

I can see how fast food could compare
the chemicals, etc.

I'm not for fast food either
I wouldn't go ban them or say it's wrong to eat it
maybe because I don't see them as harmful as drugs

at least you could live longer with fast food only
than with just drugs

it has a little more sustenance I would say

but with cars
I don't see the comparison

cars are for travel
they serve a very useful purpose
and they're just not that addictive

I think drugs fall on a more extreme level
people just don't have as much trouble with cars as they do with drugs

cars become more dangerous when the drugs are involved

too much drunk driving
"don't let a few idiots ruin it for everyone"

I can agree with that
but it's more than a "few idiots" doing so

drugs have immediate effects on one's body and health

sorry for the long comment
it's bugging me how disorganized it is

I drank some kool aid
and had to get that out somehow

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Edit: I said you missed my points
I thought you missed what I said about morality

and you didn't saying anything about the costs/burden of smoking on society as a whole

or the immediate effects it has

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply
@fuzala that's different though when guns are sold the seller doesn't know if it's used as protection or for murder sames...

It does not harm the people around them. Cigs are bad, but quit believing the ironic lies the the "Truth" commercials have

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@It does not harm the people around them. Cigs are bad, but quit believing the ironic lies the the "Truth"...

well commercials used to say cigarettes are healthy for you and that increased sales

I didn't get this from a commercial
I got it from looking it up

second hand smoke:
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data...general_facts/

cost of smoking:
http://www.cancer.org/research/...FckRMwodCx8AGQ

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply
@fuzala that's different though when guns are sold the seller doesn't know if it's used as protection or for murder sames...

Would it be accurate to say that you believe the sale of illicit drugs immoral because of the negative health effects it has on its users? How would that be any different from the sale of soda, lunch meat, ice cream, candy, etc? Those too are more harmful than good.

Because there is evidence that second-hand cigarette smoke is bad for people who did not chose to smoke, I consider this a separate issue.

@PhilboydStudge Would it be accurate to say that you believe the sale of illicit drugs immoral because of the negative health...

I think that would be accurate

I don't think drugs are comparable to that list

everything (except maybe the soda/candy) has more sustenance

I think the level of harm with drugs is higher and more immediate

you can say any food is dangerous depending on the amount
but some junk is worse than other junk

in this case
I think drugs is worse than say candy

I can regularly eat ice cream
but regularly smoking does more damage

if I ate candy once a day as a child
I'd be okay if I brushed right and still had other sustenance

if I smoked just one stick a day
or second hand smoked that way
that damage would be much more prominent
even if I brushed right and had sustenance

the level of harm is different
drastically different I would say

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply
@fuzala I think that would be accurate I don't think drugs are comparable to that list everything (except maybe the...

True, the degree of damage varies.

I guess the crux of the matter is that morality is subjective. You and I differ somewhat on what we believe to be moral/immoral, and that's fine. I would expect most people are not in perfect agreement in this regards.

This is beyond the scope of the current post, but I feel the need to say it. What I find unacceptable is when people impose their moral codes onto others*. If someone is prohibited from doing something to their own body that hurts no one but themselves, what freedom does that person really have? Not much.

*This excludes things that are universally frowned upon, like rape, robbery, murder, etc...

@PhilboydStudge True, the degree of damage varies. I guess the crux of the matter is that morality is subjective. You and I...

I understand what you mean
their body
their choice

still worries me though

allowing people to hurt themselves

I feel like if we say go ahead and do that to yourself if that's what you wish
it just sounds so indifferent

a lot of people have this unrealistic idea that they're invincible
especially during adolescence

"Y won't happen to me if I do X. That stuff happens to other people. Not me."

and then
they don't realize until it's too late that Y can happen to them

Y did happen to them

and there's also the factor of rebellion

I know what it's like to think like that
and I'm glad that there were certain rules I had to follow
even though I didn't think so at the time

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in short
I think that people don't truly realize the magnitude of their actions no matter how much you tell them

they know such and such means a high risk of cancer/death
but it doesn't hit them until they actually get the problem

it's only when it's too late when they realize
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there's another saying that goes
You can't help people when they don't want help

but what if they don't know they want help?

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply

depends on the purpose

but for recreation
I lean towards yes

fuzalas avatar fuzala Yes, it is immoral. 0Reply

I assume you mean the sale of drugs for recreational use? (ie. Heroin, LSD, etc.)

Depends on how informed the customer is.

Depends on the kind of drugs.

Illegal drugs are one of the reasons of man and his fellow men's downfall

@ muddyringlets: how can selling illegal drugs not be immoral???!
Providing illegal drugs will feed those that are addicted!
Don't sell them and no one will get hurt

U are inflicting MORE pain by selling illegal drugs.

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