Well there's no God or heaven or any of that delirious bullsh*t people make up to feel better about themselves.
However, because of a trip I once had smoking Salvia, I think it may be possible that all matter in the universe is conscious, and that after we die, we remain conscious of the existence of our own awareness. But in this case this is like you die and go to hell for all eternity, because you can't see anything, you can't remember anything, you don't understand anything, you don't know what you are, all you are is..aware. Forever. And it's terrifying.
But I'm sure that's not the case, we probably just rot in our graves, and have sex with the occasional necropheliac.
You can think what you want,but I disagree. The only problem is that the truth is usually only revealed upon death. I will say I have had many experiences that prove to me there is more to life than this.
Oh yeah? Name one. Name one experience you've had that proves there is a God and an afterlife. Let me guess, something like......you were worried about a friend, and it turned out they were in a car accident? You prayed for the bus to show up even though it only comes every half hour, and one time, it showed up at just the right time? When you cat died, there was a power outage at your house at the exact same time? You journal sometimes, and sometimes you say things that are so insightful it must be because God is writing through you? Your grandmother died, and you felt a warm presence in your room because her ghost was in your room? You've never been mugged, raped, or assaulted, which seems to you like a miracle? You prayed for your aunt not to die of breat cancer, and low and behold, when they chopped off her tits, she was cured? Please, tell me something that happened to you. Just one. One experience that proves God and heaven exist.
you're closer than you think. But your problem is cynicism. If you are completely closed to everything no matter what I say it would never be good enough for you. I could say I saw Jesus, you'd say I was mentally ill or high. Anything else, you'd write off as a dream or coincidence.
That with how astoundingly weird and irrational some of the things we have found out about how the world and our bodies work, it would be silly to rule it out, but that - at present at least - there's insufficient reason to justify assuming that there is any.
You could compare our knowledge to a single grain of sand on a beach and that grain of sand would be more than we know. With our limited vision and hearing to think that we have an understanding of what any of this is, is arrogant. You say there's insufficient reason to justify assuming that there is any. I say there's insufficient reason to justify assuming that there isn’t.
"[...]There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones" - Donald Rumsfeld
I'm not assuming that there isn't. Not assuming that there is any life after death is not the same as assuming that there isn't. I wasn't referencing our whole body of knowledge (at least not until an indirect reference at the end). I was talking about specific things that we know, like for example that teleportation and voodoo actually exist - in a roundabout way - at the micro level. My point was that if there does turn out to be life after death, it wouldn't be the weirdest thing about the universe. Not by a long shot.
Is your position assuming that there is life after death or just reserving judgment because there's insufficient reason to assume that there isn't? If it's the latter, we're in agreement. If it's the former, then I don't know how you would quantify how much we don't know in any meaningful way because it's inherently unknown just how much is unknown. But in any case, I'd agree that what we don't know probably dwarfs what we do. How would that work in your favour though? I'm not understanding your standard for assuming that there is life after death and/or the logic behind going from 'we don't know much about much' to 'therefore we should assume that something that sits comfortably inside one of those huge gaps in knowledge is true'. Could you elaborate please?
The fact is that there is a huge number of people believing in life after death, and still a fraction of them whose actions in life are such that they're able to face it with ease.
As much as we have no audiovisual proof or witness of the existence of life after death, we have no proof of it's absence either. The probability remains.
Are you really interested in what I think? I'm really not interest in any kind of debate, I'm here as a free thinker and I love posting my opinion s whee I feel free. That's why I chose this website. Anyway: if you really want to know ill try to explain.
Well because I believe that I can choose to live a godly life & because of it be resurrected into eternal life in a world where Jesus/god rules,
Or I can be disobedient to gods wishes & desires & die and not take part of this everlasting perfect sinless world the way god intended for human kind before the fall......
its like how it was before you were born. You cease to exist for eternity. think about it very hard. its GOING to happen. one day you'll blink and you're 70 and wonder how all of those years just passed you by. go out there and do something with your life before you're old as fuck just sitting home all day alone thinking about all of the oppourtunites you've wasted. you have one life and one life only. why not make the best of it.
If death is not the end of life, then why do we shy away from it?
It's difficult for those grieving, but after time they will hopefully begin to accept that death and celebrate life.
I believe that clear evidence will be presented to me just as I'm dying as I quickly cease to be.
Any answers anyone has on the topic will or will not be answered at death!
Well there's no God or heaven or any of that delirious bullsh*t people make up to feel better about themselves.
However, because of a trip I once had smoking Salvia, I think it may be possible that all matter in the universe is conscious, and that after we die, we remain conscious of the existence of our own awareness. But in this case this is like you die and go to hell for all eternity, because you can't see anything, you can't remember anything, you don't understand anything, you don't know what you are, all you are is..aware. Forever. And it's terrifying.
But I'm sure that's not the case, we probably just rot in our graves, and have sex with the occasional necropheliac.
You can think what you want,but I disagree. The only problem is that the truth is usually only revealed upon death. I will say I have had many experiences that prove to me there is more to life than this.
Oh yeah? Name one. Name one experience you've had that proves there is a God and an afterlife. Let me guess, something like......you were worried about a friend, and it turned out they were in a car accident? You prayed for the bus to show up even though it only comes every half hour, and one time, it showed up at just the right time? When you cat died, there was a power outage at your house at the exact same time? You journal sometimes, and sometimes you say things that are so insightful it must be because God is writing through you? Your grandmother died, and you felt a warm presence in your room because her ghost was in your room? You've never been mugged, raped, or assaulted, which seems to you like a miracle? You prayed for your aunt not to die of breat cancer, and low and behold, when they chopped off her tits, she was cured? Please, tell me something that happened to you. Just one. One experience that proves God and heaven exist.
you're closer than you think. But your problem is cynicism. If you are completely closed to everything no matter what I say it would never be good enough for you. I could say I saw Jesus, you'd say I was mentally ill or high. Anything else, you'd write off as a dream or coincidence.
how can you be conscious and not know anything
I believe I can have eternal life if I choose.
counciousness will find its way into another cellular machine
we go to heaven or hell
I believe your soul goes on and your body goes back to earth
Do you remember how it was before you were born? It will be just like that.
Back to my mom's womb? No, thank you xD
Do you remember how it was?
My mind doesn't remember, but my body does. That's probably why we like hugs and go into a fetal position
Yeah so it might be like that. Your mind won't remember but your body will be gone.
Our bodies get decomposed back to the earth.
I don't know what I believe about the spirit, though.
It's the circle of liiife...
Sorry, I had to.
Awesome, honest, thoughtful answer. Thank you
Is there?
what would you prefer?
That with how astoundingly weird and irrational some of the things we have found out about how the world and our bodies work, it would be silly to rule it out, but that - at present at least - there's insufficient reason to justify assuming that there is any.
You could compare our knowledge to a single grain of sand on a beach and that grain of sand would be more than we know. With our limited vision and hearing to think that we have an understanding of what any of this is, is arrogant. You say there's insufficient reason to justify assuming that there is any. I say there's insufficient reason to justify assuming that there isn’t.
"[...]There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones" - Donald Rumsfeld
I'm not assuming that there isn't. Not assuming that there is any life after death is not the same as assuming that there isn't. I wasn't referencing our whole body of knowledge (at least not until an indirect reference at the end). I was talking about specific things that we know, like for example that teleportation and voodoo actually exist - in a roundabout way - at the micro level. My point was that if there does turn out to be life after death, it wouldn't be the weirdest thing about the universe. Not by a long shot.
Is your position assuming that there is life after death or just reserving judgment because there's insufficient reason to assume that there isn't? If it's the latter, we're in agreement. If it's the former, then I don't know how you would quantify how much we don't know in any meaningful way because it's inherently unknown just how much is unknown. But in any case, I'd agree that what we don't know probably dwarfs what we do. How would that work in your favour though? I'm not understanding your standard for assuming that there is life after death and/or the logic behind going from 'we don't know much about much' to 'therefore we should assume that something that sits comfortably inside one of those huge gaps in knowledge is true'. Could you elaborate please?
The fact is that there is a huge number of people believing in life after death, and still a fraction of them whose actions in life are such that they're able to face it with ease.
As much as we have no audiovisual proof or witness of the existence of life after death, we have no proof of it's absence either. The probability remains.
And because religion is a belief, so is life after death, and I believe in it.
Are you really interested in what I think? I'm really not interest in any kind of debate, I'm here as a free thinker and I love posting my opinion s whee I feel free. That's why I chose this website. Anyway: if you really want to know ill try to explain.
Well because I believe that I can choose to live a godly life & because of it be resurrected into eternal life in a world where Jesus/god rules,
Or I can be disobedient to gods wishes & desires & die and not take part of this everlasting perfect sinless world the way god intended for human kind before the fall......
its like how it was before you were born. You cease to exist for eternity. think about it very hard. its GOING to happen. one day you'll blink and you're 70 and wonder how all of those years just passed you by. go out there and do something with your life before you're old as fuck just sitting home all day alone thinking about all of the oppourtunites you've wasted. you have one life and one life only. why not make the best of it.
never ending oblivion sounds so reassuring. Good times. Well, whatever works for you.
If you say so.
Sounds fun