Your two words said it all Drue.
People need to put the extra effort in to prove who they are. Is that asking too much? Get off your duffs and get an ID.
And the government needs to get off their butts too & make it a requirement for everyone to do so!
Exactly right Ang!!!
LOL, but then dont get me started on what all the government should be doing, it's a very very very long list!! Same thing goes for how the laws should be enforced more, that's why the criminals laugh at the law & the justice system & victims feel like they are on trial more than the people who committed the crimes. I"m virtually shaking my head!!
Hi Betz! I have missed you!
I missed betz also !!
Well good morning to my friend Robert. I'm not on here much so am catching up. Great to see you my friend.
It's so good to see you also !!
Good morning Drue. Great to see you. XO
Right on betz!!!
No it won't. Where have you been?
Sounds like those "duplicate" votes were found out
as are virtually all cases when
an absentee ballot is filed by someone
who also goes to the polls.
According to the Washington post out of the last billion
votes cast only 31 were fruad
How many fraudulent votes are acceptable Vic?
I would say σ5 (sigma 5)
or about 1 in 3.5 Million
this is unobtainable, but a noble goal
I don't think requiring IDs will make a bit of difference
The miniscule number of people who "want"
to perpetuate fraud will do just obtain fake IDs.
Well, if it's really such a small number, why not compromise - you know like the democrats are always whining for us to do. Since there is virtually no cheating according to you, then the outcome of elections will be no different and the republicans will have been placated. Get on that, will ya?
I think you (and many)
underestimate the difficulty and
the desirability of getting an ID.
Heck, even Gronk17 is
worried about identifying
his state for goodness sake!
What with congress renewing most of
the Patriot Act (the spying on our citizens act)
even I am considering going off the grid.
I still feel that requiring ID
is a way for the "government" to
further control us.
It is about our rights to privacy,
not their tights to control
the people they represent.
Seems as a self proclaimed "conservative"
you would be for "less" government contol
I'm for voter ID - not government control.
Who's going to check the IDs and
tell you you're not allowed to vote?
Poll watchers. Regular citizens like you me and your Mom.
Take another shot.
You show up with no ID
and my mom is supposed to
stop you from voting?
And the government is
not involved at all
What else you got?
What else do I need?
Not according to the WP - but according to ONE so-called reporter written in a blog. The problem with voter fraud at the voting precincts is that it isn't discovered until AFTER the fact and the person doing the impersonation is long gone. This is especially the case in votes being cast at a polling location on behalf of someone who died within the last 160 days prior to the election. This was found to be the case in Memphis --- no one could be found who did the voting, but links to a prominent political family with ties to the funeral industry were found. Because of other 'bad deeds' that family was finally brought down.
Well not just "so-called" reporter,
a professor at the Loyola University Law School and an expert in constitutional law and the law of democracy, with a particular focus on election administration and redistricting
He provided links to the research in the article
So a bit more than an opinion
but admittedly (like everything) biased
Too bad the liberals are promoting fraudulant voting , that's why this country is going to hell in a hand basket !
I am an election inspector and the ID with the person's photograph is the best way for me to make sure that the person standing in front of me is the same one who is listed in the voter registration list before I give him/her a ballot to vote. Since voters must be citizens, that procedure helps improve the integrity of the tallies, even though fraud and deception can still be practiced to some extent.
It needs to be mandatory for all 50 states, IMHO!
What else would you expect the Washington Compost to say. They are in the tank for the libbies! SMH
It seems unlikely that a few vote could change an election.
These laws are about disenfranchising low income voters
it has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with
supporting the oligarchy/corporatocracy
Help me out here
Where is the evidence of fraud
Well, there is YOUR report - "According to the Washington post out of the last billion
votes cast only 31 were fruad"
What's that have to do with Dem's winning in MA?
Nothing. Nor does it prove that Obama is an enemy of the United States or that they REALLY did land on the moon. It IS the evidence of fraud you were whining for.
I am not clear.
Gronk goes into a long dissertation
about voters in MA
(in response to my assertion that
fraud is a very small number)
under the guise that I am in "denial" about fraud.
Yet never give any evidence that fraud
was involved in the unseating of
conservatives in MA.
As you point out,
I don't deny fraud,
I claim it is so small that
on the part of the government
to eliminate it are
an infringement on
the rights of the citizenry.
What are you saying?
I responded to your request for evidence of fraud and presented your own admission to it.
I have that evidence
I asked Gronk what
evidence he has
That the losses in MA
are due to fraudulent votes
Still not clear as to
whether you are making
a new point or
just covering old ground
I think you have officially beat this horse to death. You questioned whether there is evidence of voter fraud, and I pointed out that in an earlier post you yourself provided evidence of voter fraud. Thereby exposing your inconsistency.
That's pretty much the beginning, middle and end. There's no "Eureka" moment here- a simple little gotcha is all.
Hey, have a safe Independence Day holiday Vic. Do you celebrate? Or, is that too bourgeois for you?
You make me laugh
I also hope you enjoy your weekend.
Here it's not the liberals that are adding votes or not counting the ones they don't like. I know for a fact that my vote wasn't counted in the last election. We have our own polling place and there are only sixty of us to vote. They listed us as all voting GOPer in the last election and I KNOW that is a lie.
Hmmmm. . . . . .if you had proof or suspicion of wrong doing, why didn't you contact the elections dept. at the local registrar recorders office?
Because it was a while after the election that I learned this. I had no written proof of the way I had voted. All the people in office in my county is GOPer. My complaint would have been lost in the shuffle, I'm sure.
Absolutley! Further, I'm suspicious of anyone claiming otherwise.
You betcha. Photo ID required!
california will never change. SMH time for me to bail.
What does SMH mean Drue???
Shaking my head
Gotcha....I'm a bit out of the loop at times.
I don't blame you!
If it were only a few it would not, but that is not the case. No one is trying to disenfranchise low income voters. SMH. They use their ID when they buy liquor, cash a check. . . . .ect, ect, ect . . . . .weak !
Exactly! Everyone gets a SS # at birth in this country, so why not use that? It's free, too.
Social Security card is not a Valid ID..
But, it could be if a picture was added.
Please post a reference for that claim
that's not to confirm who they are, that is to confirm age...
Like seriously what's the big deal? You should have one anyways.
You might be (or maybe not)
surprised to learn
many people don't have IDs !
When you have no money
and no ID
how are you supposed to get one?
You go to the Social Security office
and they want a birth certificate
You go to the hospital where you were born
and they want a picture ID
You go to the DMV and
they want a Social Security card
So you go back to the Social Security office and ...
For a kid living with their parents it's one thing
for a young adult living on the streets
not so easy
If you want to live off the grid,
it is impossible to get an ID
They have been giving people SS#s at birth since the 1960s. It's a person's own responsibility to keep up with their ID. Jeez!
and it really isn't that complicated of a procedure to get another one, my ex wouldn't give me, mine one time then forgot where he put it, took it right out of my billfold. I went right down to the federal building, showed them my BC & got another one, simple, aggravating but simple, took time away for me that I could have been doing something else but was done & then I gave it to my dad for safe keeping so it would never happen again but then a few weeks later he gave it back but that was mostly because I wasn't bugging him about it. He was a real jerk!
Sure we don't need replicaiton or illegal voting.
ain't that the truth, I thought it was a law everywhere, God the government is crappy!
And it gets worse with each passing day.
more so since our current president!
I'm talking about politicians!
Because we do here in Ohio, usually just show my drivers license.
I think so. An ID cost about $15 if you don't have a driver's license, so why not? Don't say there are people who can't afford it. You could pick up enough cans to pay for it.
I know people act like it's harder than it is. Not that hard maybe a little inconvenient having to go to the places you need to go to get what you need but hey its only once & it's extremely important & should be law anyways, can't believe it isn't!
And fortunately, my state now requires a state issued id to vote. Unfortunately, obama's SCOTUS cronies have tried to strike it down on multiple occasions.
in addition to your driver's license?
No, just one form of state issued ID and your voter registration card.
With photo I might add.
but I'm saying if you have a DL then will that suffice or you have to have it no matter what else you have? I just reread your statement, that's what you meant either a DL or if you don't have one or want or need one then you get a state ID, correct? If so, I have no problem with that at all & think it should be mandatory in all 50 states
Correct. Any state issued ID will work as long as it has a photo. It does not necessarily have to be a DL.
And I agree, it should be mandatory in all states.
I totally agree!
here in Florida. you need your voters registration card and a photo ID.. on the back of the registration card is a reminder >"remember to take photo ID with you when you vote" been that way for the 38 years I been here..
A photo ID, because it's the right thing to do.
You need a license for everything else why not for this very democratic sacred act as a citizen.
Voter fraud is rare. All these...okay, Almost all...of these laws to protect against voter fraud are just attempts to make it more difficult for certain voter demographics to vote. It isn't just ID laws, either. I'm much more concerned about voting rights being protected than the "integrity of the vote" being "preserved".
I'm concerned for both. Further, when resolving one problem is so damned easy, inexpensive and effective - I gotta wonder about the motives of someone opposed to it. Just saying...
We already have to do that, it's mandatory that you have to show your voter registration card & ID or you don't vote!
Not in California you don't. You are not even allowed to look at it unless it is their first time voting.
WEll that's the most stupid thing I've ever heard, how do they know that you are who you say you are? OMG!
Where are you from Ang?
SC been here all my life!
Not in TX. If you have a registration card, you sign a paper and get to vote.
that's so stupid, it should be mandatory in all 50 states & I just think it's important so you know who people say they are, are who they truly are!
I think you have to have an ID to register, so it's about the same thing. But, I agree with you about the ID, everyone should have one.
not really I know quite a few people who didn't vote the second time Obama didn't run but had a RC so anyone could have taken their card & voted. Just sayin! So still they need to prove who they are at the polls.
I'm pretty sure you have to have one now.
In my state we sign when we vote and the
signature is compared to the registration
Yes I do that too!
we do both, sign and provide ID//
Not in every state.
Hi Betz, good to see you
HI Drue...great to see you too. Have a great evening.
I didn't know that! I thought it was a requirement & it should be, that's stupid cause there is not picture on your registration so how do they know you are who you are!
At least it is here.. I have have had a voters ID card for over 35 years here.. and on the back of it is plainly states,, "Be sure to bring Picture ID with you when you Vote.. I don't see what the big deal is ..Hell ya need ID to buy Beer..
Most states still request some form of ID but don't require it. Another 20 states don't require identification.
Which claim are you referring to? The claim that people show ID to buy liquor and cash checks?
Either that claim
or the claim that
voter fraud influences elections
because that clip made it seem clear
that those duplicate votes were found out
and presumably were not tallied as part of the election
In pertson voter fraud is virtually nomn-existent. It's just another right wing tactic to make voting harder. Trying to steal an election one vote at a time is patently absurd.
Uhm, you know that the republican bastards will be required to show ID too - right?
Your point being what? That bad legislation is OK because it affects everyone?
Heavens no! Rather that everyone including the republican bastards will be required to show ID. Pretty much exactly what I said. Your lame interpretation was not required.
Lame notions require lame interpretations.
Of all the ways to rig an election only an idiot would suggest doing it one vote at a time. Voter ID is the perfect solution to a non existent problem.
Why not just bring back the poll tax?
I guess it's better to create another bureaucracy to help shrink the size of govt.
I thought you guys didn't like regulations.
Oh that's right.. You just don't like regulations on business. A police state is fine
Proving ones identity is lame? You know, I've got to question the motives of anyone including you that would resist a simple means to help ensure a fair voting process.
The 'non-existent' problem sure seems to surface a lot every election season.
Thinking somebody would try to steal an election one vote at a time is what's lame.
It has nothing to do with fair elections. What prevents somebody from getting multiple ID cards? It's about restricting the number of democratic voters.
The only place it surfaces is in RW propaganda when republicans lose.
Nobody even mentioned it last election when republicans took over the senate and what a stellar job they've done so far.
They haven't addressed a single issue.
Well, other than more tax cuts for the top which I'm sure most Americans consider a primary issue
There have been many elections won and lost by just a handful of votes. Every vote counts too! Just ask Al Gore about hanging chad! To NOT act to prevent illegal voting is the lame thing to do / not do.
Multiple ID's? I guess we better take that into consideration too - even the sooper-dooper honest uterus has come up with a way to beat the system without even trying!
Then ensuring an honest vote shouldn't present a problem for you! Great!
Right, because you say so.
Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?
Heck I am 77 , and I have to produce ID at the Grocery store to by A Beer...LOL
Amazing isn't it? I am 55 and get carded all the time...I don't understand why it is a hardship? If you want to vote you need to prove your a citizen. Nothing wrong with that in the least. It is ridiculous to assume that it would be difficult for someone that really takes the priviledge seriously. It is only a hindrance to those that don't have that drive.
Yeah that is the plan....I can not abide by the excuse that it is an hardship....Now adays if you want to do anything you need an ID.... It is ridiculous. If the elections are a farce then the whole thing crumbles. The election process is so important for people to feel like they have a say....and if you can't take the time to prove who you are then to bad.
I made a typo,, that should have read NA beer (non alcoholic) but they still card me because it contains less that 1%...
Where I am from
people are so poor they can't afford alcohol
so thats not a problem
Maybe where you live people can afford
or whatever else you need ID for
People here can't afford to buy a home
so they don't need ID to get a loan
They don't have money to put in the bank
so they don't need an ID to get an account
They don't have cars
so they don't have driver's licenses
Do you really live in such an amazing world that
everyone there has money to buy that stuff?
Welcome to my world
people here are living off
the deposit money on bottles
they collect from rich peoples trash
They need to vote to keep the
Koch brothers from steamrolling them
under the ground with teaparty donations
It is sad to see whole families living on street corners
eating out of dumpsters
I've seen people like that. A man at the supermarket yesterday literally didn't have the money to pay TWO DOLLARS. Literally no money other than their shoprite gift card given by a friend. If I wouldn't get fired for it I'd have just dropped two dollars in his hand. People literally have to watch what their buying because they don't know if it will push them above the amount they have. its quite disheartening.
Any one can get a state issued ID.. I have never needed an ID to pick up anything at Wally world..
Without proper identification it opens the door for anyone to vote. What is the sense of being a citizen if you can't prove it.
We need to show our ID to rent movies, and just about EVERY thing else. Anyone that thinks it's OK to just walk in and vote without proving who you are, is just ... well, we'll keep it at that.
Yes of course. Don't want any Mexicans voting
What if you don't have one?
Get one or don't vote.
yes don't vote you will only vote against people I like so shh its ok go watch your little distractions on tv everything is finnnne and dandy
You goin' all street on me Janet? Gettin' up in my grill?
Whut you say foo? Wanna go huh huh you think you got it? UH!
Thanks for the morning laugh Janet!
Who doesn't have one? You have to have a photo ID for everything now.
Not everyone can drive
I have a close friend that is legally blind, yet she has a photo ID. A photo ID doesn't have to be a driver's license. The state issues photo ID's for those situations.
costing how much?
On the other hand voter fraud is by no means an epidemic. We could spend the same campaign to fight theft of doritos by birds in convenience stores too.
As I best remember, since she's legally blind, it wasn't much - maybe $10.
But, since nearly everything you do, etc. wants a photo ID ( even giving blood), why not require one to vote?
Because that is EXACTLY the same as charging you a fee to vote. The implications of that are....extremely negative
But that's not true - I was only guessing the cost of the ID, and her ID has nothing to do with voting - she uses it for anytime she needs an ID. When Texas went to requiring photo ID's to vote, the state opened up many offices all over the place, and provided not only transportation to and from the ofc, but the ID was free. They did this for about 6 months, so if someone didn't get their ID, they were just to 'preoccupied' (aka lazy) to go to the trouble to get one.
Unless they were in the hospital at that time or kidnapped or unconscious or elderly with an uncaring caretaker or underage
They should be free forever, what is the point of even charging? to put more money in the pockets of politicians?
Here in Texas, it goes into the state coffers for roads, whatever.
I don't know what it cost now, if anything - my point was that the state did everything possible for a person to get a free ID.
Actually, I think your point illustrates the need for honest voting more than ever.
That's the spirit!
If your answers are so bias, you know the answer why ask the question?
You're questioning my motives? Or are you assuming what they are?
Like I said - " I gotta wonder about the motives of someone opposed to it. " Why would anyone oppose a simple, low cost (no cost to broke voter) means to ensure valid voting?
It is law in Canada
Yes. And you have to show an ID to vote in my state (CT).
Of course. They don't?
Vote counting should be shown live on television, and no more electronic voting. Also, to run for any office in America, both parents should be born in America. All candidates must show valid information.
If we need to show proof, so should they.
Yes, they do in my state (CT)
yes for sure
Because voter fraud is the least of our problems and because they use id against people to make it impossible or nearly impossible to vote.
Those pesky facts will get ya every time.
But, you still keep coming back!
A semi permanent stamp
applied to the hand after the vote
will prevent people from voting twice.
Everyone should be allowed to vote
regardless if they have ID or not
even illegal aliens should get to vote
and there should be no age limit either
Most two year olds
I know are better
equipped to vote than the
average FOX News veiwer
Totally disagree that 'even illegal aliens should be allowed to vote and there should be no age limit either.' Only LEGAL citizens (not residents) should be allowed to vote. And if I need a Government issued photo ID to enter the White House, the Capitol, fly on a plane, open a bank account, buy a car, etc., then I should need one to vote.
Voting is s right
beer is a privilege
a privilege that many cannot afford
what city do you live in?
'cause it ain't like that here
Tell 'em Gronk!
PS - Your identity is secure. The town you described could be any larger city run into the ground by democrats over the past 50-60 years.
This information is enlightening to me
I had been relying on government statistics
Last time I voted here, there was a little electronic signature machine we had to sign after producing photo ID.. If someone had already signed in and tried again it . said, Signature already in system..
What is the point of having a country, if being a citizen doesn't give you rights. If anyone can vote in any country, then we wouldn't have countries very long. That's illogical.
Not sure what the point of having a country is
but I suspect it has to do with
the aggrandizement of the rulers
It's a free country.
Some people would suggest we
have some "test" to determine who can vote
then, only those most qualified to vote will vote
Plato called this "Noocracy"
Rael called it "Geniocracy"
Any attempt to limit voting rights
based on an "skill test"
ID, green card, or proof of age)
This OP was about what voters
"in America" should do
I am not arguing for or against democracy
democracy is what most Americans profess
to be the "best" form of government
so, if you want democracy you cannot
place limits on who votes
If you would prefer some other form of government
I am open to debate your suggestions
but for this question, about what Americans should do, I stand be my opinion.
Sure we can! We can insist that voters are alive for example. Being an adult citizen are two more valid requirements. And as long as there are ding bats that think any body from any place should be able to vote, let's have voter ID to ensure you are who you say you are.
Sure we "can"
but we should not
we dingbats understand what
Sure! See if you can get the teacher unions to agree to teach unrevised history too.
all history is "revised"
there is no such thing as
Events happen or they don't Vic. Now, dishonest people may report the events, the motivation, the people differently for their own reasons. But the events still happened they way they happened.
Oh yeah, LOL
but good luck
recording and sharing
"The way they happened"
And that was kind of my point - especially these days. Have you looked at a current elementary or high school history book? Pretty sad.
Yep. Very sad.
If they pay taxes they deserve representation
This country was founded on the simple principle of
"no taxation without representation."
If they are not paying taxes
then they get no vote.
If they are paying taxes
they should vote.
You asked me, and
that is my opinion.
Agree to disagree.
As far as criminality goes
far be it for me to cast the first stone
I call them by their name if I know it.
Otherwise I call them brother (or miss).