They're against abortion
But when the mother does what they say and keeps the fetus, they refuse to help her
I'm not talking about all right wingers
A poetic marine. Lol
I surely agree. Always have thought people on welfare should be prohibited from having children. Can't take care of yourself no business making more bums. Get a job go ahead.
48 million people are on food stamps, birth control is free now thanks to Obamacare, what else do you have.
Maybe, just maybe, if parents were held accountable, people might not be in such a rush to have kids. While few if any have babies for the financial benefits, there is certainly at the margin, more incentives to have kids for people who really can't afford to have kids. Most men can keep their zippers closed and most women can keep their legs closed. It is purely a choice. When society stops shaming promiscuity and encouraging it, there are the inevitable consequences. Many parents aren't held accountable for their cations and while there may be some benefit to the child, there is a negative impact on society at large.
I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or not. Do you believe we should hold parents accountable for their children or not? Some have always shamed promiscuity. There are many hedonists and some others who seem to glory in promiscuity.
There is this thing called the margin. the term is widely used in economics and occasionally elsewhere. We live in a continuum. There are the early adopters and the late adopters and the follow the crowd gang. There are the filthy rich, the poor, and the middle class. When an analysis is performed on behavior, it is unlikely that everybody is going to change behavior overnight. Those at some point on the continuum where there is little difference one way or the other are going to be the first to change due to some external influence. They are at the margin. They will be easily encouraged or discouraged, even if others won't. But as influences are applied, the margin moves... creeps if you will... and what we have seen is a long term creeping of moral standards towards hedonism and debauchery and gluttony... whatever terms or descriptors you choose, away from traditional morality, puritanism, or whatever terms or descriptors you prefer. Some of us think things have moved too far while others think things have not moved far enough. But the inevitable is certainly not cast in stone due to our nature. Societal pressure is a strong encouraging force that will change outcomes. It works at the margins, not universally and the results are seen over time, not instantaneously.
ooh their is planned parenthood for accountability donchaknow.
Well they want kids they should suffer it out on their own. Why should everyone else care pay for the kids you make??
My kid just walked in the house and said i picked up by birth control and hey it was free, give me another one. I paid for my birth control back in the day.
ok I said my kid, she just got a job which offers no health insurance Common since Obama, and she is covered under her parents policy compliments of Obama.
information is out their you need to find it, do we have to do everything for you, what your information says is not really what you write about, hmm are you a troll.
You are soooooooo wrong about this. There are 16 types of birth control. Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Woods only want to not pay for 4 of them. The four being argued about will kill the already fertilized egg/baby. That leaves 12 types of birth control that they will provide. They do not want to be a part of abortion. They should be allowed their beliefs especially since planned parenthood is so willing to be an accomplice to the practice of sucking babies out and parting them out for huge profits.
The solution is really quite simple. Have a portion of the insurance set aside for whatever health procedure the worker sees as fit. The worker spends the money on birth control, not the company. Attacking all right wingers is pretty elitist especially when all I want is accountability and common sense. IF you can't afford a baby - don't make one or two or three and expect Sugar Daddy government (the taxpayers) to pay for them.
And the people who don't have children feel penalized by having to work for their living with no paid freebies.
Paid health issues could include taking care of a dying loved one as much as paid maternity leave. Paid for health leaves for any legitimate reason or throw it on the vacation leave. But, above all, be fair about what is "given" out.
Actually, 1 & 3 sound like libertarian positions, not RINO positions. Libertarians believe in freedom, but realize and accept that with freedom comes responsibility. When we are free to choose and take action, we must accept the consequences, be they good or bad. I cannot speak for Transquesta, but I believe he would oppose corporate welfare as well as individual welfare. Dependency is dependency regardless of the entity. Let pets be dependents, not people or the organizations/corporations they create. I certainly do not support, let alone favor corporate welfare!
Actually conservatives are against paying for consequences of these self-inflicted harms by others. Of course abortion to many people (and not just conservatives) is the equivalent of murder. Whether you agree or not, it is enough that it is their opinion. As for the other, conservatives aren't generally opposed to you buying and using birth control or negotiating for maternity benefits, perhaps in lieu of higher wages or other benefits like vacation or retirement. Who cares what kind of activities go on between consenting adults. With minors or where one adult has power over another, we should all care. Rape and slavery are never something to accept, let alone condone. I think many liberals are quick to spend other people's money for good reasons, but virtually no reason is good enough to compel a man to pay for the misbehavior of another. And when promiscuity leads to adverse consequences, those who abstained from promiscuity should not be compelled to pay for the care of those who chose to engage in risky behaviors. Nobody expects to be compelled to pay for the expenses of somebody who jumps out of an airplane for fun.
boring, all so boring, it's all you liberals have, is what we right wingers don't want to pay for, when 100% of the American people pay income tax then come back with your stupid comments.
I like your comment.
I think that maternity leave should at least be extended. There should also be paternity leave. The family bounds formed within the first few months are so important. Not to mention the adjustment period.
But not all companies are going to voluntarily offer that. So what do we do about it?
If only it were that simple. Some people are lucky and it is simple to them. But what if a parent has trouble finding an open position in another company? What if they have to move halfway across the country in order to get a job that provides maternity/paternity leave? What if they're bound by contract not to leave the company for a certain amount of time?
And I don't think your comparison is very comparable. Maternity/paternity leave is a GOOD thing. It is nowhere near as bad as dropping bombs.
Also, by his logic, it'd be okay to pay people 2 cents an hour like they do in some places
No minimum wage laws because apparently that's slavery
2 cents an hour sounds like slavery to me
Not minimum wage laws
May I take this time to say that you are like my favorite person on amirite?
Don't have kids problem solved. You want kids accept the responsibility all by yourself. I have had to cover for those who want time off over and over again and that is just the start. After they have children they expect time off for every sniffle . It isn't fair to anyone. You want them take it upon yourself to suffer along on your own.
If my money is going to help families, and it's not taking too much from me, I don't really see the problem with it.
Why did you put quotes around giving? I find that really funny. Is giving some sort of abstract idea to you?
ROFL you generalize and misjudge.
I pictured you as Eric Cartman for a second.
"OK, yeah. I generalize and misjudge. Everybody does"
Lolno. Well, not at that level at atleast. Most people tend to grow up from that- the toddler age of labeling others, often incorrectly, when they have nothing better to add to the argument when confronted with something.
Parental Leave is what I want.
So take it. What employers want are workers who will be around. There is a compromise to be made somewhere. In return for maternity benefits, perhaps some relief in other areas of compensation such as vacation or wage rate.
This is probably why the rest of the developed countries have better productivity
Their workers are much more satisfied, which makes them willing to go the extra mile
what developed countries, mexico pays their workers 5.00 in a week, China maybe 2.00 a week, tell me what other country pays higher wages. Maybe you should move to one.
Mexico and China aren't developed countries
I'm talking about a lot of the European nations
And where I live and move is irrelevant to the topic and frankly, none of your business. K thanks
These people act like moving your entire life to another place is the easiest thing ever
European nations, the uk has grave unemployment, Greece is bankrupt, most European nations are socialist. So yea throw more of your stupid stuff my way.
I said many of those nations
Not all of them
Good job not listening or comprehending
Anyways, maybe your solution to problems is to run away and move
My solution is to stay and fix things
Food for thought
ok so what nation, European country are you talking about. And you I think are part of the problem, you are not fixing anything you just want more of the working people's money to throw at your outcry of the day. America has about 12% unemployment, the health care system has been ruined by obamacare, and taxes are through the roof. Whatever has been done since Obama has taken office has not worked. So I will be glad when he is gone. Are you a moocher or a producer, in Obama's America he likes the moochers and punishes the producers.
Yes and if Hillary was to be elected she wants the usa to pay for every country until we are in as bad shape as the 3rd world . Remember we must take care of usa first and foremost.
nah, you're part of the problem because you don't even acknowledge the issues here
And the people who see that are autatically defined as moochers
The fact that other countries have better productively levels should serve as a role model for us
Sweden has a great competitive economy
Japan ( an Asian country is doing pretty well for itself)
We're in trillions of dollars of debt
With the least productive workers
We're obviously doing it wrong
Sweden is a socialist country similar to Greece, cradle to grave socialism, they also have an immigration problem with Islam. So give me another one.
They have one of the top economies in the world
Guess you can't accept the facts/stats
Cool how you conveniently ignored Japan
Oh I see you're one of those people who bring religion into everything even though that's not the topic
Glad to see how relevant you know how to be 😒
Pretty sure this post isn't about immigration/religion but more about employee satisfaction and productivity
Fuzala don't you know that it's wrong to be muslim?? /s
Oh dang, I didn't know that
Thanks for making me aware
Good lookin' out
Didn't mention any of those
Acquisition of wealth vs human dignity is a choice people make in any economic system. Capitalism in its pure sense gives everybody the chance to do whatever they want to do. If they do what others value, they will be richly rewarded. If not, they won't.
Democracy is an over used and abused term. It is fine for electing student council officers and even government officials, but democracy is a poor way to organize a society. It does not protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Think of the case of 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner...
We have cronyism and protectionism and that is a far cry from capitalism. No doubt the 1% are very influential. That also happens in any economic system. Ever read Orwell's Animal Farm where all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?
Without capitalism, there is no rational way to no what is wanted and needed or what can be produced and supplied. There is no incentive for innovation or advancement. It is the fatal conceit (term coined by Hayek) to imagine some planner or planners could ever have enough information to orchestrate a large economy anywhere close to efficiently or optimally.
I know, that fact that I have to pay for infrastructure and sidewalks that I don't but OTHER people walk on???? Thats cray.
do at the specific behest and for the specific benefit of the people
do at the specific behest and for the specific benefit of the people
??????????????????????????? how is healthcare not for the benefit of the people???????????????? Also you have no idea what the word slavery means apparently.
Apparently he thinks healthcare does nothing. We pay for it for absolutely no reason at all lmao.
Wanna eliminate all aspects of socialism? Great, eliminate healthcare, but also eliminate sidewalks, funding for infrastructure, medicare, social security and all that jazzz.
I mean, why should I also be FORCED to pay for another kids education? Make people pay for elementary and highschool, right?
Can't do that? Then it's high time for conservatives/Libertarians to realize that not ALL forms of socialism is bad; especially when chances are, you support a type of it.
See I knew it
I like how you in no way refute or attempt to refute any of my point.
I'll make this easy for you
Unless you don't support public funding (where people are FORCED to pay through taxes) of roads, sidewalks, education social security, you are nothing but a hypocrite.
So thank for clearing that up :)
Wait, are you being sarcastic?
Everyone can use a sidewalk even if they're never going to use it. Everyone cannot use another person's baby and will likely never have the opportunity. Bad comparison.
Hmm a lot of words for simply answering whether or not you believe in services, simple ones, such as public funded education and infrastructure. Simple, but profoundly social programs.
You can't ask me to answer questions if you won't answer mine. And I asked first buddy :)
Hey semple, I think he uses big words to try and avoid answering questions the would sorta prove the point of his opponents.
Do you agree with social programs such as publicly funded education and infrstructure and would keep them?
And the how they're run/funded bit is such a scapegoat answer Lmao.
It doesn't tell us if you'd want to keep how we publicly fund things such as the above, I.e socialist programs, or if you had another, doable method you'd prefer.
I've noticed. :)
Wait wait, before I bother typing out a long response to your long response... how is paying taxes something that's not forced? Because that is what the social programs I mentioned are atleast partly funded by.
It's funny how you're trying so hard to avoid admitting you support paying for programs that require "force'. Unless you want to explain to me how I can legally opt out of paying taxes.
Using big words and drawn out responses don't save you in this.
How was my response a personal attack? YOU were the one that suggested the memory stuff. If you were being sarcastic, then so was I. Don't use something if you can't swallow it yourself bro.
Ah, yes the sales tax.
And so? We still have to pay a sales tax...
You could decide you want to pay .0001% and yah know what? Not gonna happen
I would! Honestly. After you explain to me the lack of enforcement required for sales tax.
So the only way to not pay for the education of others and road ill never be on is to live off the grid? Yes, your way soundsoon much better/different. Sarcasm
Anywaysit's all mute since a significant amount of funding comes from he federal leve, through things such as income tax.
So no, it's not monopolized by sales tax, like you see to make it to be.
There's a difference between believing something is good, and believingng that SOME of it needs to happen.
I haven't refuted it, because it's funny to see how far you can make those claims while being all the more wrong. It's funny, actually, you call me out multiple times for being extreme and not knowing anything. All while constantly performing a mistake done by children: generalizing.
You are hilarious
So no, I am not willing to take the journey with someone who does not even know the person they're teaching, Otherwise, sure.
Haha you are amazingly foolish, it's funny
You know, I could be totally wrong in my beliefs that we need some form of socialsim. But that doesn't mean I think it's "good". And you act as if Im in love with it.
It's like war; I don't like it. I don't like fellow Americans getting blown to bits. But sometimes war is necessary
It's so funny how you act all knowledgeable but don't even know the difference between that
I was actually homeschooled by a conservative father and uncle and went to Oral Roberts
But please, keep on making wrong assumptions. It's better for my case.
Yea, buddy, I don't think you're whipping my ass when you cant even get your attacks right.
Protip: don't make claims if you're going to be SOOO wrong. Like, my upbringing could not even be considered centrist. It was hella conservative.
Also, you have done nothing to prove this 'slavish dependence". You gotta somehow prove that me believing in some social programs equates to something alike to communism( from the tone you're using lol). Just jumping from "Oh, you're not uber fiscally conservative? Then you're a slave to the gov't!!!" Is expected from a teen who has never seen thinking outside what he was taught. Shame.
And if you think owning someone (which you're not, since you cant even draw the connections between your "evidence" and your conclusions, and your assumptions about me are completely opposite from the truth) on the internet equates to "whipping" ass, then you got to get out and experience real life cause that was one of the most pathetic statements I've seen in a while, lol.
But this is funny, and I love to see people complain about personal attacks before making attacks themselves with the most incorrect assumptions.
So please keep going :)
And your way is better?
No socialism, so we'll basically be like third world countries lol
Sorry to break it to you buddy, but socialism can't be all bad if we need some forms of it.
It's funny, I can't imagine you ever giving up social security or public funded roads and education, can you? :)
Alas, one day people will realize moderacy is the key.
Yes Why should everyone pay in work or taxes for these breeders to keep on. There are enough kids stop having them adopt a child who needs a home.
But it would be nice to let her use her vacation to care for the baby during the first few weeks.
Government is getting the money to do it from all of us. After the kids are born we all have to pay taxes to run the schools so unfair. Each person should be required to pay tax for schools 18 years and no more. Children destroy the world because there are too many. The children aren't at fault the breeders are.
yea it's all those evil right wingers, not biased much are we. Have a good day.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/slideshow/249467 [Top 10 U.S. Companies with awesome parental leave policies]
It's still the fault of the couple having sex if their birth control fails. Sex, despite our strong instinct to have it, is still not a requirement of life. It is a choice.
But of course shit happens. Our desires get the best of us, mistakes happen, and there's nothing we can do about it. But when mishaps occur, we must own up to them. It's called taking responsibility for our own actions.
Okay, poor word choice.
Actually, I take that back. All procreation is a serious problem in that we can't seem to stop doing it. And it's the fault of everyone.
So we're not gonna stop sex from happening. What now?
Gotcha. Carry on.
Maternity leave should be used as a health care leave and anyone should be able to use it. Taking time for a baby or caring for elderly parents should apply equally. It would be unfair to pay for people to become parents but not to give others paid time off for other family needs.
I hate the wording of this topic (both in this post and everywhere else I see it).
"The US doesn't guarantee paid maternity leave." As shown in other comments, people tend to ignore the fact that many companies in America do offer their own forms of maternity leave. Some paid, some unpaid. Some two weeks, some a few months. Maternity leave falls under a company's benefits plan which acts as a competitive advantage in the labor market.
I think it's great for companies to provide it but they shouldn't be mandated to. Because if a company is forced to provide a certain benefit, then it is likely the company will remove another or maybe even lower the base rate their associates are paid. Some companies don't give any benefits at all but rather they pay a higher hourly wage. It should be the company's choice to provide or not provide paid maternity leave just as it is the choice of the employee to choose to work with a company that will offer the benefits they prefer.
I wouldn't completely blame people for bitching about it. I appreciate my benefits and I do complain sometimes. It's just that my company can sometimes come across as a bit insulting when they tell us, "well your benefits added up mean you're almost making such and such amount anyway." It's frustrating when upper management doesn't try to look at things from our point of view. And I'm sure there are companies out there who put out some useless benefit and try to use it as an excuse for keeping their wages lower.
But yeah, I stand by my point. If I hate it enough, I'll find something better.
It would be nice, yet every business has their own rules. The ones that don't give maternity leave probably have lots of turnover. Yet a company can't keep letting everyone have time off also not fair to single people who have no kids. We ALWAYS have to pick up the slack from the breeders.
Perhaps those who prefer maternity benefits would also prefer to take a cut in salary. Let them choose. Maybe they would prefer to keep a higher salary or wage and forgo automatic maternity benefits. That would be the case for me. I have already got 6 kids and don't plan on having anymore.
stop bowing to employers even arab nations do it it seems Why are we always the backwards one we used to be so cutting edge
It's a good reason to be excused IMO.
If the father is planning to actively be in the child's life, yeah. If it's just some dead beat dad looking for an excuse not to work, then no.
I could be wrong, but I am not surprised (if it is true).
The first six weeks of a baby's life are crucial to their bonding and development, therefore it is necessary for mom to be there. Also, it is necessary for mom's healing process. As such, it should be mandatory to allow a woman to get paid leave so she can heal up and come back to work without the added stress. Employers allow bereavement, sick pay, vacation; Maternity leave is just as important.
Canada allows for 1 year mat leave...of course there is reduction in pay and unemployment insurance.
iT WASN'T MANDATORY TO GET PREGNANT.
I think so.
stop comparing to other countries, you pay less for everything. other countries are in deeper financial trouble, so be cautious with what you wish for, getting everythign free means your kids and grandkids will suffer
No, of course not.
Geez ooh petes, for heavens sakes people, we pay for everyones health insurance now, now you want paid maternity leave, it is up to the person to save for their leave.
So what would be your idea to create wealth in America again, would you create jobs, build a commune where everyone is assigned task, what currency would you use, how would you set up rules regulations and laws, tell me what your utopia would be.
Why should your employer have to pay you having a baby unless he's the one who knocked you up?
Well that does not work in america, most people have 10 kids by 10 different dads the democratic plantation, white people don't have more than 2 or 3 kids because they can't afford them because we are slaves to the corporations to get our money, benefits and time off. So if a liberals wants to kill babies its ok and if they want mandatory maternity leave, which they already have it is called FMLA, so what liberals want changes from minute to minute. I must be posting on the under 12 crowd.
GAO report shows that abortions are being paid for with taxes in more than 1,000 exchange plans.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/a...-carl-anderson
Well I googled do taxpayers pay for abortions and much information comes up. So if it is from a leftwing site then would it be viable.
try again when I do it more than 100 hits come up. What are you 12. GAO stands for government accounting office.
we have war on those things? haha! yeah, right!
war on education and healthcare? isn't the government in charge of those things now? and you know what happened when the government declares war on something! like their war on poverty and drugs, look how that turned out!