What humans are we talking about? A baby? A person who did nothing wrong in their lives? A psychopath? An abuser? A rapist?
Context is important here.
Because, the first two, I wouldn't rather see them hurt than an animal, the others three, between them and spiders (who I have a deep dislike for), I would feel more for the spiders.
Perhaps. In certain instances, I would be one of them. Context IS indeed important here, unless one feels that only animals of the human kind are worthy of compassion and respect.
I would not agree for a moment that it is a mental illness. I think the wording of your thread is too generalized.
I think all forms of life should be respected and regarded as equal in importance. To say that human life should be prioritized as the most important of all life forms is, to me, human arrogance rearing its ugly head.
2. the elderly
Those are the three groups who need our protection.
Most people suck.
How do you know that they want our protection?
I think I used the word "need".
I was going to add something similar to my own response, but then I thought about it further. There are varying degrees of what some call "suffering", and then I started thinking about some humans who get their jollies by inflicting it on their fellow creatures.
I can think of many examples of what I'm referring to, but two will suffice. From his own words in numerous recorded instances, Ted Nugent literally gets a hard on by killing, and watching animals suffer:
Ted Nugent quote from Chris Nieratko interview:
"You know, when I see a three-legged dog, I don't shoot it right away. I want to watch it dance around a while. I shot a f**king cat this morning. And when I went and retrieved it, it had this beautiful studded collar on it. I kid you not. For you city kids who might recoil in fear when I mention such things, believe me, there is an epidemic of feral dogs and cats in In this country that are spreading rabies and distemper and disease across the land. The only responsible thing to do is to kill them. I did a job for both you and me today. So I want you to just shut up and thank me. "
Chris : "I think all cats should be killed regardless. "
Ted: "Now you're talking, buddy. I did a terrible job because I used a 10 millimeter, and it just killed him instantly. I'd rather have him dance around like an Insane Clown Posse for at least a couple minutes before he dies. But next time I'll aim a little lower."
Then there is Micheal Vick, who felt he suffered because he spent 18 months in jail, and had a brief lapse in his fame and wealth. He didn't just finance dog fighting, he was a participant in torturing them to death, when the dogs weren't up to par.
I feel Vicks should have had some of those dogs he mistreated, starved and beaten as his cell mates. Close the door ignore that bastards screams.
I agree, Barb.
I doubt if the surviving dogs would have even hurt him, BarbOBarr.
He connected dogs to jumper cables, and electrocuted them in his pool. He feels he was unfairly punished for his numerous cruel actions....
He was allowed to have a dog again, because he lamented about how "unfair" it was that his daughter couldn't have one.
You're right Piper. Dogs are very forgiving even towards their abuseres. One can only hope he ran into a couple of dog lovers in prison and a little jail house justice was meted out to him. I doubt it though people like that seem to go thru life unscathed. He should have had a harsher sentence and never been allowed to have any pets, not even a goldfish.
I turned down a $15,000 job two summers ago because some asshole shot a young raccoon that was just walking across the field toward the river. Wasn't bothering anyone and was 200+ feet away. They went out of their way to shoot it.
I told them to go f**k themselves & don't call me again.
I'm not surprised to hear that, either thing. However, it is not quite relevant to any any point I was trying to make, by what I'm sure is the longest reply I've ever submitted on the internet.
Great new avatar, by the way.....
I still have a pit in my stomach from it.
Did you rake a CLOSE look at the avatar??
I'll assume that you would would stopped him or her if you could have.
I have a hurt in my heart from many things I've seen done to animals of both the human and non-human kind, both up close and from a distance.
Yes, I do see clearly what your current avatar is. :)
humans are animals.humans and animals are equal. Thus wanting any species of creature to suffer is mental illness.
I just posted something and now it's gone? What's going on around here, can't we leave a comment without it being censored? All I said was something to the effect that I don't like to see anything suffer, whether human or animals....and anyone that does, should suffer as well.
Of course. She is having a blast tonight and abusing her position. Report her, and let's see how much of a blast she is having when James talks to her.
I've not seen any comment that should have been deleted, mine, yours or anyone's. I thought this was an opinion site and in their words "every opinion matters." Evidently that's not the case any more.
She took down her comments about me. That's okay, because I sent shots to James. He can see how she abuses her job.
Only if you have a super duper one about her, will it be allowed to remain.
Starz you are in the middle of a pissing contest. I'm not sure who, what or why. I don't agree in having our remarks removed because of it. This is an.opinion site. You have to take the good, the bad , with the ugly.
I agree. Not sure what's going on either, but I had my comments removed the other day, didn't break any rules, nothing nasty, wasn't attacking anyone, didn't mention anyone's name but they were deleted. I get attacked all the time, called nasty names, and those comments are allowed to stay up, I'm almost afraid to post anything anymore for fear someone will get their panties in a knot and report me. Geez...........
Oh she will have this whole place sanitized by tomorrow. Good thing, I took shots.
Unless something is really threatening or unbearably nasty, then it should be allowed to stay up.
I have no idea why you are mad at me, I've not done or said anything about you. If that's the way you feel I will go directly to James.
I've always supported and encouraged John, but he has turned against me for some reason.
I'll just go to James, that way he won't feel as though he has to help me in any way.
I know, it just seems like everyone is at each other's throat again....maybe it's in the water, or the long hot summer.
We have all taken some hits. I called her out on her "favoring" a post that is against everything I stand for, and I thought she did too.
And of course, it was made into a mess. Like everything she gets her hands on.
Now John's jumping in. Guess what, we won't even know this post tomorrow. Good thing I will be right here, to put everything back up.
I understand your position John to a degree. I'm struggling with the concept of us wanting to be able to voice an opinion and not have it pulled because someone doesn't agree with it. This site was becoming a friendly chatty place for awhile. We now have members feeling slighted that their comments were pulled due to folks arguing and them stating how they feel. I'm concerned that the moderaters are becoming personally involved and flat out fighting rather then removing the post or ignoring it. I hope we get past this. For awhile this site was feuding with another one. That in its selve was silly. Let's get back to opinions and drop the flame baiting posts.
Everyone take a deep breath. Walk away and when you come back. Hopefully it will look different.
I tried, and when I came back my comment had been removed.
Looks like the same crap to me. :) Serenity created this post because she was pissed, and because James is busy doing other things. He doesn't know half of what she pulls around here.
Both she and the other egghead should never have been made moderators.
Helping us? I would say we were helping him most of the time.
Putting up slain lions with their trophy hunters?
Doesn't she have better things to do with her time?
No, of course she doesn't.
If James has been notified. I'm sure he will get to the bottom of things. I know I've been pmed from others who share your concern. Hopefully this will get resolved and the site can get back to what it's supposed to be. Opinions of others with respect. It's sadly lacking in this area. I don't like any place where I feel my comments are pulled because they are in the middle of folks arguing.
Well stated, as usual.
There are so many people that id like to see suffer more than an animal
Thank you. Me too. Animals hunt for food not the joy of the kill. Domesticated ones we have made dependant on us, they trust us, to abuse that trust is criminal.
That's not funny.
I couldn't agree more!
I'm with Dru and Sofia.
I'd rather see neither
I'm sorry, Rogue. I understand why you mentioned the cruel action you witnessed, and I know that you abhor cruelty to animals.
I got in my truck and left. They called me. I told them to shove it and why.
This was, of all places, at a Baptist Retreat called Life Ministries. Unbelievable!!!
It was a lucrative job for you turn down because of your principles, for sure.
If that jerk had stumbled and hurt him or herself after what you witnessed, would you have felt compassion for them?
Nope. Not even if he shot himself.
Thank you. At first when I considered commenting on this question, I was thinking how much I've never wanted or wished to anyone to "suffer".
Then I started thinking about people who get enjoyment out of killing and inflicting suffering, people like Nugent, for instance. If he stumbled and shot his "Mr. happy" off or something, I can't say that I'd feel a modicum of compassion for him. I'd probably even feel some enjoyment, on hearing the news.
I don't like to see anything suffer, human or animal and anyone that does should be made to suffer the same way. I know that sounds cruel but that's the way I feel.
As anyone who FAVORS the idea, too.
I am glad you got to see the unedited version, Starz.
And guess what? I can write reviews all day long regarding this crap. Nothing negative said about this site or James. JUST YOU.
I agree, you need to sleep that one off.
Have a good night. And when you wake up tomorrow, it will all be here.
No, I don't consider you to be a friend anymore. At one time, yes, even when I would get mad at you.
But you have abused your position. That little bit I said, would never have been an issue, if you had shown some class and walked away.
You are as thinned skinned as an onion, and that type of person does not need to be a moderator.
I doubt very much that James knows the extent to which you are removing comments or the why.
But he will now.
Oh is this the same James that you went crying to someone about, a few weeks ago? The same one who you didn't think would make you a moderator?
It must be hurting your muscles from all the pats on the back you are giving yourself.
You are such a sad, low self esteem, creature.
Get one thing straight. I don't NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. Shit, nobody does.
You have criticized me, lectured me, and ridiculed me in public. You won't take Barb on, because you know she will wipe up the floor with you. But for some reason, you think you can boss me around.
Starz and I made up, and I never looked back. But you just can't help yourself, can you, from needling the hell out of people.
You came close? Too bad, I beat you to it. Live with it.
It is a disorder. I agree animals should have some protections. Others take it over board.
I'd rather see neither. Though I know some people who are real assholes. Haven't come across that much with other Mammals.
You selfish child! That block was temporary, just to let us both cool down. And as usual, you just made things worse.
If you ever had the dignity to just walk away, let something go, I would flip!
"Picking a fight with me"?? As always, it's all about YOU.
Nobody's picking a fight with you, oh self-centered one. I don't like your 'favored" post and I called you out on it.
I also don't like your censoring, removing, and editing my writing. And it is not just me you are doing this to.
Now if you can't take that, then maybe you shouldn't be a moderator
No, you really haven't. In fact, you only make matters worse every time you try thinking and typing at the same time.
As I said, good thing you still have John.
By the way, I happen to love Figaro, so just keep posting his gifs.
Once again. This post is a joke, and the one who favors it is also the one who wrote it. It reminds me of those stupid threads of 'caring about animals but not the unborn babies.'
The one who supports it claims to love wolves, when in reality she romanticizes wolves, and adds them to her image.
Wolves of the world, take note.
No, content is not important.
There are people out there who would save an animal from drowning in a boat accident over a human.
I didn't ask if context is important to you. If it isn't, okay, good for you, I guess. I said it is to me, as I explained right after why it is.
I can try to explain to you why some people are like that though: unless I'm mistaken, there's no such thing as an evil animal. There's predators who'll eat you, because, well, you're food, and they'll do what they do best, survive. There's animal who were abused, and turn violent because of that. They are irrational - humans are rational. So there's cruel-crazy out there, and cruel-for-fun and so on. So, some people do prefer a creature that is not evil to a creature that might be. I'm not saying is correct, I'm just saying how some of them think.