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Militant atheism is the best religious stance, amirite?

Do you think that militant atheism is the best religious stance? Vote agree if you think so, if you think otherwise for example non-militant atheism, agnostic, secular, theist vote disagree.

"2. Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/militant

Richard Dawkins: Militant atheism | TED TalkRichard Dawkins urges all atheists to openly state their position -- and to fight the incursion of the church into politics and science. A fiery, funny, powerful talk.http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism?language=enImage for post Militant atheism is the best religious stance, amirite?
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I don't believe "militant" is a good stance on anything. And atheism is not a religion.

@JPMatthews I don't believe "militant" is a good stance on anything. And atheism is not a religion.

Dog fighting is on the rise, wouldn't being militant against dog fighting be good? I think so.

"As police raids see the arrest of three people for animal cruelty, the number of banned dogs used for fighting, then abandoned, is soaring."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8534263.stm

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Yes, you are correct. What would you call it then?

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Right, but wouldn't you call it a religious stance? Often under religion you have a choice of say Wiccan, Satanism, Agnostic, atheism, or Sunni-Islam.

Atheists aren't talked about much and there is many preconceived notions about them, so the wording is somewhat difficult.

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@2387276

Definitely. Atheism simply is the disbelief in a deity.
Problem is too many atheists in the mainstream do attack Judeo-Christianity though. That's why they sometimes get a bad reputation.
But the regular atheist simply doesn't believe in any deity, regardless of the religion.

@AdamNY Definitely. Atheism simply is the disbelief in a deity. Problem is too many atheists in the mainstream do attack...

How are too many atheists attacking Judeo-Christianity? If the Christian and Judaism God don't exist, people have a right to know the truth.

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Considering truth is a key value of Judeo-Christianity, I think people do have a right to know the truth. If people want to keep thinking the Earth is flat despite all the evidence to the contrary that's fine. I just don't like it when Judeo-Christianity proliferates lies. I have the right to call out the lies.

"Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV) "

"Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) "

http://www.answering-christiani...earth_flat.htm

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Nope, to be fair there are more Christians in the world than any other religion. Even if I try to attack a different religion I end fighting a Christian usually.

For example, I'm like the Islamic religion is violent and a Christian is like, leave people alone they have the right to worship whichever faith they want. I'm confused at this point. I thought Christians were supposed to save Muslim's souls.

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@2387276

The phrase "The food saith in his heart, 'There is no God'" exists for a reason, but it doesn't apply to those who genuinely have never had reason to believe God exists. It applies to those who ridicule the idea that a Judeo-Christian God exists, and there atheists like that, believe it or not. Too many among the elite.

@AdamNY The phrase "The food saith in his heart, 'There is no God'" exists for a reason, but it doesn't apply to those who...

Are we supposed to just latch onto the nearest religion? Or are we supposed to question our beliefs? I see no reason to believe that a man can walk on water. That the Earth is about 6,000 years old. To believe the morality of a book that okays slavery.

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."

https://www.biblegateway.com/pa...mp;version=NIV

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lol! At least you admit atheism is a religion, I'll give you credit there.

@faceman lol! At least you admit atheism is a religion, I'll give you credit there.

I'm not admitting its a religion. I may not have phrased my words perfectly in the original post. Atheism is a stance or attitude towards religion which is a lack of belief in any Gods, in my opinion.

Militant atheism would be a in your face type of attitude towards religion. Does anyone seriously believe that Zeus is a supreme being? Or that Jesus walked on water? That the Egyptian Pharaohs are in Heaven?

If atheism is a religion than bald is a hair color.

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@vegan I'm not admitting its a religion. I may not have phrased my words perfectly in the original post. Atheism is a...

Actually a better analogy would be "if atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair style". And it is in fact a hair style.

Atheism (especially militant atheism, or what I like to call anti-theism) has all the characteristics of a major religion:

Atheist bible
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2...ible/?iref=NS1

Atheist monument
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/...-commandments/

Atheist temple
http://www.theguardian.com/book...temple-atheism

Atheist mega-chuch
http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-m...214619648.html

Atheist demanding equal religious protections
http://news.nationalpost.com/20...ghts-tribunal/

@AdamNY Technically atheism is not a religion. It simply is the disbelief in deities.

If you say so. In the meantime, why not get ordained as an atheist minister (at the First Church of Atheism)?

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/faq/

@faceman True, I do have a lot of fun with it.

Because the founders of the church are idiots who don't know the meanings of anything. Next thing you know these people are saying the words "bro" is black or white slang, which it ain't

@AdamNY Because the founders of the church are idiots who don't know the meanings of anything. Next thing you know these...

What do you base that they are idiots on? I think they are trying to send a clear message that it is okay to be an atheist. There is a lot of social stigma against atheists that they are fighting against.

I think most people just accept religion because they feel they have no choice, that everyone around them does, and they don't want to be socially isolated.

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@faceman Actually a better analogy would be "if atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair style". And it is in fact a hair...

That's like saying "secularism" means "seperation of church and state," which is not true.
Secularism simply means that one cannot be rewarded or punished on the basis of whether they're religious or not. Equal protection under the law for all religious or not. That's what this country was founded on. And the fact that it was founded to protect Christians doesn't contradict the secular nature of this country.
Seperation of church and state just bars religion and government from interferring with each other, which is an extreme form of atheism. 2 completely different things.

@faceman Actually a better analogy would be "if atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair style". And it is in fact a hair...

Your confusing the definition of atheism.

" 1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
"

The first definition, is faith-based, in the sense that there is no logical reason to believe there is a 0% chance of God.

The second definition is the one the more famous atheists like Richard Dawkins use. This is different in that Richard Dawkins admits there is a very small chance that God exists.

This is consistent with rational thinking and science because there are no absolutes in science. For example, a person would be taking a faith based approach if they said

faith "there is a 100% chance that humans exist"

science "there is a very high probability that humans exists, around 90-99.9%."

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/atheism

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@vegan Your confusing the definition of atheism. " 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the...

Your two definitions contradict each other. The first definition describes a belief, the second describes a disbelief. It seems atheists can't even agree as to whether they believe or disbelieve anymore. A third definition I hear a lot is that atheism is supposedly a lack of belief, so I'm a bit surprised you didn't try that one.

"This is consistent with rational thinking and science because there are no absolutes in science"
Are you absolutely certain that statement is true? When you say "science", what definition are you using? I understand the word to mean the ever increasing knowledge of mankind, based on the scientific method, which in turn relies entirely on the existence of logical absolutes - without which no science would be possible.

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I'm militantly opposed to human trafficking. Is that wrong?

http://www.gvnet.com/humantraff...audiArabia.htm

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So just let the charlatans skim money from the poor to proselytize others. Allow the evils of Islam to go unnoticed.

"At least 10 million people fled north or south, depending on their faith, and more than 500,000 were killed in the melee. Trains full of refugees were set upon by militants from both sides, and all the passengers massacred."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_h...ghal_atro.html
http://asianhistory.about.com/o...ofindiafaq.htm

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Absolutely not, and if you're not comfortable taking God's word on that one, perhaps you'll take science's word instead:

The American Journal of Psychiatry

Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt

"Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts."

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org...jp.161.12.2303

"Oh sure," you say, "but it's all in your head."

Is it though?

"Structural Changes in Water and DNA Associated with New Physiologically Measurable States," Journal of Scientific Exploration, 8:438, 1994.

http://www.science-frontiers.co...7/sf097p16.htm
https://www.heartmath.org/resea...urable-states/

"Scientists Prove DNA Can Be Reprogrammed by Words and Frequencies"

http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07...s-frequencies/

@Maze Absolutely not, and if you're not comfortable taking God's word on that one, perhaps you'll take science's word...

Thanks for taking the time to find a scholarly peer reviewed article. I think this is the first time someone has responded with one on this site to me. I can find counter-arguments.

For example, religious people are less emphatic, poorer, and less educated.

I don't have the peer reviewed article to back this up atm. New to this atheism notion. So, I'm usually at a disadvantage versus Christian apologetic.

I'll ask you what is your religious stance Maze? Christian? Catholic? Evolution? Young Earth Creationist? Do you think the Sun revolves around the Earth?

"A Saudi cleric has appeared in a video rejecting that Earth revolves around the sun, claiming instead that it is “stationary.” His statements have incited a fiery response on social media. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2...n_1468006.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com...ly-be-atheists
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2...n_3640033.html
https://www.rt.com/news/233063-...ric-earth-sun/

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@vegan Thanks for taking the time to find a scholarly peer reviewed article. I think this is the first time someone has...

I'm a Christian, but I've also read the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita as well as the Koran.

I believe the Bible laid the philosophical foundation that enabled science to flourish in the west, and also the moral foundation for our free and open society. As such, I consider Christianity to be a central aspect of being a free and educated person - a true liberal.

Not all religious philosophies are the same. I have tremendous respect for the Vedic texts, they are full of almost scientific knowledge about the nature of reality. The Koran stood out to me as lacking in wisdom and full of brutality. It bears little resemblance to any other faith I'm aware of. Personally, my feeling is it's demonic.

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do people gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that does not bring forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [an observation of fact, not a directive -Maze] Therefore by their fruits you shall know them." -Jesus (Matthew 7:15-20)

@Maze I'm a Christian, but I've also read the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita as well as the Koran. I believe the Bible...

You do realize some Muslims think the Bible has been corrupted and altered. For all you know the Koran is exactly right and is the word of God. In that case we are both going to Hell.

That Jesus may be a ravenous wolf.

"Some differences that prove that the Bible is corrupt:"

http://www.answering-christiani...ifferences.htm

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@vegan You do realize some Muslims think the Bible has been corrupted and altered. For all you know the Koran is exactly...

Again, "by their fruits you shall know them."

Muslims face death for questioning Muhammad or leaving the faith, and many have been converted under threat of torture and death. And I'm not just talking about the past, it's happening right now.

You can say whatever you like about Christianity, join it or leave it, and nobody will harm you for it. You may find us annoying, but you don't fear for your safety when you criticize us.

Who would you rather be around?

@Maze Again, "by their fruits you shall know them." Muslims face death for questioning Muhammad or leaving the faith...

If I had a choice between Christians or Muslims, I would definitely pick Christians. Remember though Christians were always this peaceful.

"Catholics today can't distance themselves enough from Adolf Hitler. But that wasn't the case in the 1930's and 40's when he was one of the most powerful men on earth. Germany's Catholics were proud as peacocks to count their Fuerher as one of their own, so long as he was putting "

"Here is the overwhelming evidence that - despite what he may have believed in his heart of hearts - Adolf Hitler wanted to be viewed by his Christian countrymen and their clergy as a "man of God", whom they should therefore follow and obey because their God had chosen him to lead a Christian nation into a more perfect state, purified of the demonic influence of Jews, liberals, atheists, and "Bolsheviks"."

In brief, Christianity today is better than Islam today, but I'm still wary of Christianity. I fear the alleged champion of Christianity who is really a monster in disguise.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary...y/pogroms.html
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/ar...uleId=10005183
http://www.catholicarrogance.or...rsfaith-1.html

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@vegan If I had a choice between Christians or Muslims, I would definitely pick Christians. Remember though Christians...

One thing to bear in mind though, the Catholic church isn't "Christianity," it's an organization of people, all of whom are fallible.
...

Wisdom isn't attained merely through rote knowledge, it is attained through contemplation of that knowledge and observation of how it plays out in the real world.

"Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying, 'How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you'." Proverbs 1:20-23

This passage laid the foundation for the pursuit of scientific knowledge in the west. It essentially says "the truth is all around you if you look for it. By paying attention to the details of the world around you, it will reveal it's secrets to you."

@Maze One thing to bear in mind though, the Catholic church isn't "Christianity," it's an organization of people, all of...

That same passage can be used to back up creationism and young earth creationism. After all, if you can't literally trust the Bible, then how do you know that Jesus died on the cross? Perhaps it was a different person that died on the cross.

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@vegan That same passage can be used to back up creationism and young earth creationism. After all, if you can't...

"That same passage can be used to back up creationism and young earth creationism."

I don't see it, perhaps you could spell it out for me.

@Maze "That same passage can be used to back up creationism and young earth creationism." I don't see it, perhaps you...

That people don't know the Bible clearly indicates God created man kind. That would be wisdom in a creationist's view.

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@vegan That people don't know the Bible clearly indicates God created man kind. That would be wisdom in a creationist's view.

According to my understanding, God is the Universal Mind - a vast intelligence that created and sustains all matter and energy in the universe. Not just the creator of heaven and earth, but the creator of time and space. Accordingly, the Creator of the game isn't trapped in the game, but operates outside of the game's limitations.

Why make the game?

As far as I can tell, it's a mechanism for consciousness to expand. Every thought you think, every action you make exists in eternity and adds to the sum total of Universal Consciousness, aka God. Thus, the Universal Being desires us to expand consciousness in ways that are pleasing. We are like cells in a body, and the body feeds beneficial cells and eliminates diseased ones.

@Maze According to my understanding, God is the Universal Mind - a vast intelligence that created and sustains all...

I'm okay with Deism. I'm just sick of religion being involved in politics and religious violence. I don't think anyone has killed anyone in the name of Deism.

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@Maze Absolutely not, and if you're not comfortable taking God's word on that one, perhaps you'll take science's word...

"This time, Galileo’s technical argument didn’t win the day. On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order: “We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world.”"

http://www.history.com/this-day...cted-of-heresy

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@vegan "This time, Galileo’s technical argument didn’t win the day. On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the...

Not the church's proudest moment. I guess they should have read the Bible a little more carefully...

"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour when thou dost embrace her." Proverbs 4:7,8

I guess the opposite side of that coin is "she shall bring the to shame when thou dost reject her."

"Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold." Proverbs 3:13,14

Very true statement when you consider how far our acquisition of understanding has taken us in the 3000 or so years since that was written.

@Maze Not the church's proudest moment. I guess they should have read the Bible a little more carefully... "Wisdom is...

Yes, but the Bible clearly states the sun revolves around the Earth. So, how do these statements help you?

"The earth is fixed at (or near) the center of the universe. The sun and other planets travel around it. That is what the Bible plainly says [Ps. 93:1, Ps. 19:1-6, Joshua 10:12-14] and what the evidence indicates. "

"12 On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon,
and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
13
So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on[a] its enemies,

as it is written in the Book of Jashar.

The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!"

http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/B...ound_the_earth
https://www.biblegateway.com/pa...mp;version=NIV

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@vegan Yes, but the Bible clearly states the sun revolves around the Earth. So, how do these statements help you? "The...

"The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting." Psalm 93

To me, it speaks of the permanence of earth, not that it's physically stationary, although it is stationary from our perspective. After all, motion is relative.

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun. It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, like a champion rejoicing to run his course. It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is deprived of its warmth." Psalm 19:1-6

Again, motion is relative. It was an accurate statement according to the author's perspective. Our understanding of the physical world has expanded through our pursuit of knowledge.

"Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. Never before or after this day was there anything like it." Joshua 10:13,14

There is corroborating evidence from other ancient civilizations that this event did happen. In fact, prior to this event, the year had 360 days, afterwards it had 365, and different civilizations came up with different ways of handling the change.

"In the eighth century B.C.E., civilizations all over the world either discarded or modified their old 360 day calendars." http://www.webexhibits.org/cale...r-ancient.html

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@Maze "The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded...

This exactly the reason I think an an aggressive stance is needed for atheists. Trying to back up Bible scriptures with conspiracy theories. I call this phenomena the conspiracy theist.

Why, not look at the character of the Old and new testament instead? Read the book drunk with blood to gain a new perspective.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.asp
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/DWB/index.html

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@vegan This exactly the reason I think an an aggressive stance is needed for atheists. Trying to back up Bible scriptures...

That's a conspiracy theory? Who was conspiring? If anything I'd classify it as occult knowledge. But just because something isn't widely known by the public doesn't mean it isn't true.

An astronomical event happened sometime around 800 BC that made the sun stand still for about a day and shortened the year by 5 days. I don't think science understands how it happened yet, but I assume there is a scientific explanation for it.

"I think an an aggressive stance is needed for atheists"

If I don't have a right to my beliefs, what makes you think you have a right to yours?

@Maze That's a conspiracy theory? Who was conspiring? If anything I'd classify it as occult knowledge. But just because...

There is no way to test that notion that the sun stood still for a day. Its an ad hoc fallacy. You have the right to believe in faeries and unicorns and I have the right to tell you how unlikely that is.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.../Ad_Hoc_Rescue

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@vegan There is no way to test that notion that the sun stood still for a day. Its an ad hoc fallacy. You have the right...

If we located the object that caused the event, we may be able to prove it was the one by calculating it's trajectory back to ca. 800 BC. Unless that happens, it's down to ancient stories. Except for one little detail, civilizations around the world used 360 day calendars in ancient times. You might be inclined to believe it was because they weren't accurate in their measurements, but we know that most ancient civilizations were interested in astronomy and kept track of what point in the year it was. Not only that, they all arrived at 360, not 365. Don't take my word for it though, look up "360 day calendar."

@Maze If we located the object that caused the event, we may be able to prove it was the one by calculating it's...

Honestly, I can't stand anything close to a conspiracy theory. This notion of the 360 day calendar is getting on my nerves. I had a nightmare the other day, I never get nightmares.

Your welcome to respond, but I have to lay off the religion I can only take so much of it until I become oversensitive.

I was arguing with a Christian once and he/she mentioned that Jesus was alive. This really got me scared. I always thought he was murdered by the Romans, end of story. I just couldn't handle what the person was saying.

They told me Jesus was resurrected or something. Really creepy. I just kept thinking of the monkey's paw and night of the living dead. Reminds me of chem trails and anti-vaxxers. I can't listen to this conspiracy theory stuff.

I'll be back in about a week to read your responses.

https://americanliterature.com/...he-monkeys-paw
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/

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I am of the opinion that militant atheism is the best religious stance. We can't let animals suffer due to arbitrary distinctions draw between animals and humans based on religious grounds.

Nor, can we continue to waste time and energy on gay marriages. At this point religious people are just grieving gays. Gays won, get over it. Finally, we must stop the indoctrination of lies into small children. Why should children be taught there is a Heaven, Hell, and God, when there is no evidence?

If we are to evolve and grow we must stop believing young Earth creationism and other nonsense. Thanks for listening.

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@2387696

That attitude benefits the oppressor.

"We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Elie Wiesel"

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quo...sel163854.html

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That's exactly the type of response I get when trying to criticize Islam. I'm actively trying to point out the error of their ways. I'm not trying to suppress anyone. I feel that people have been brainwashed as small children into accepting lies. That too long has religion demanded and received too much respect and carte blanche.

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I'm going to be brutally honest, the terrorist attacks turned me against religion. I got sick of feeling helpless. I wanted to do something. With every attack I would flinch that much more when presented with a holy symbol.

The fear and build up and I turned towards Richard Dawkins. That's why I turned militantly atheistic.

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@vegan I'm going to be brutally honest, the terrorist attacks turned me against religion. I got sick of feeling helpless...

Vegan - Have you considered the possibility that you have over reacted?

I mean, it's not like Lutherans have marched across the Middle East murdering thousands. The Presbyterians seem to have been pretty quiet.

So, your reaction when Muslims terrorize the world is to abandon your Creator and be against all religion?

@Budwick Vegan - Have you considered the possibility that you have over reacted? I mean, it's not like Lutherans have...

Budwick, its feelings there is no logic. Yes, with every attack I would flinch more when I saw the Bible. I don't understand my reaction myself.

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@vegan Budwick, its feelings there is no logic. Yes, with every attack I would flinch more when I saw the Bible. I don't...

Vegan - You wrote - "its feelings there is no logic."

I understand. I'm not a psychiatrist / psychologist, but some who are have suggested that we all be mindful of the differences between responding to situations in different ways.

Example from https://www.thindifference.com/...pond-vs-react/

React in action.

When people react, it seems to be defensive. We seem to be at a disadvantage. We are uncomfortable with what is being said or done, and we react. In our reactions, our emotions take a central role. The hair on our neck stands on end. We feel our stomach turn. Our face heats up and our defenses are on red alert.

We know reactions when we see it. In fact, some people on the other side will intentionally stoke the fires, especially when they know we will react. They know if they poke we will coil up and be ready to react in a full way.

There is a downside to reacting. We let emotions without reason drive us forward. We lose control. Reacting is sporadic and emotional.

The upside may be passion, but our passion needs to be centered on purpose, not an unexpected, unproductive stimulus.

Respond in action.

On the flip side is respond. There is still an external spur to our response. Responding, though, is more thoughtful. Responses contain reasoning.

The difference may be this: Responding is guided less by emotion and more by logic.

Responding may be passive in nature, as we are going second in a series. However, a response is more active, and it can change the direction of an interaction.

The upside of a solid response is an engaging conversation, all positive and all civil. We learn. We grow. We listen. We respond. We act forthrightly and from within.
The mindfulness difference.

Respond vs. React - A Mindful Difference If mindfulness is being more centered within and aware of others, then this is a practice we need to embrace to prevent reacting and focus on responding.

Good luck with that.

@Budwick Vegan - You wrote - "its feelings there is no logic." I understand. I'm not a psychiatrist / psychologist, but...

I still think Christians and Muslims are in league with each other. That many of the arguments for Christianity with a few small changes can be used for Islam.

A few of the similarities between Christianity and Islam:

Both believe in a monotheistic all powerful God.
This God created the universe in both.
Both use Abraham.
Both are patriarchal.

On the other hand ever since I heard of other religions and then later the children's crusade I have had some level of skepticism. My childish unquestioning faith weakened.

I became afraid of religious figures fearing I would be recruited for another child's crusade. I began to wonder if perhaps the Greek or the Romans or the Egyptian had the correct God.

I took a Deist approach, believing there was a God, but always questioning which God? Which religion? Which faith? Catholic or Protestant? Were malevolent thoughts as bad as action?

I pushed these thoughts to the back of my mind, until the terror attacks started. At which point these thoughts flared up. My immediate thoughts were what if the Islam God is the one and only true God? What if Islam prophecies start coming true?

Finally, I found Richard Dawkins speeches and came to the conclusion to spread any religion is to spread Islam. By teaching Christianity that we are teaching people to accept dogma, irrationality, piety, and to accept a false version of reality.

I bet, you don't think Islam isn't a very nice religion. Well, I don't think Christianity is very nice either. By spreading Christianity you are teaching people to tolerate a violent religion, little different from Islam.

Just look at all the people God killed in the Old Testament. According to the Old Testament God is all powerful. Surely a different punishment would have sufficed.

You don't see superman killing everyone who opposes him when simply throwing evil doers in jail would do.

http://www.academia.edu/3716864...d_Christianity

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@vegan I still think Christians and Muslims are in league with each other. That many of the arguments for Christianity...

Equating Islam and Christianity is ridiculous. Radical Islamist's will kill Christians that won't convert. Not much of an alliance!

If you want to understand the Bible - you should study it - not abandon it.

Finally, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but Superman is not real - he is a fictional comic book character.

@Budwick Equating Islam and Christianity is ridiculous. Radical Islamist's will kill Christians that won't convert. Not...

Whaaaaaat? Superman no real? Noooooooo!

I don't think the radical Islams and Christians are allied, more of the liberal and moderate ones. There seems to be this liberal religious trend going around to respect other religions. That as long as you worship God, you are fine, even if the God is Thor.

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@vegan Whaaaaaat? Superman no real? Noooooooo! I don't think the radical Islams and Christians are allied, more of the...

Your understanding of this issue is ridiculously poor. Your callous acceptance of Islamic terrorism is frightening. Grow up.

@Budwick Your understanding of this issue is ridiculously poor. Your callous acceptance of Islamic terrorism is...

I don't accept Islam terrorism. In fact, that's why I decided to take a militant stance on atheism in an attempt to stop terrorism.

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@vegan I don't accept Islam terrorism. In fact, that's why I decided to take a militant stance on atheism in an attempt to...

You don't accept Islam terrorism? What does that mean? It's as real as a heart attack Vegan.

Vegan - I worry about you.
This militant concept seems to show a little too often. You seem overwhelmed with negative stuff.
Are you OK?

@Budwick Vegan - I worry about you. This militant concept seems to show a little too often. You seem overwhelmed with...

I'm fine, I just dislike injustice. I don't like it that people are still teaching the world is only 6,000 years old.

http://creation.com/6000-years

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@vegan I'm fine, I just dislike injustice. I don't like it that people are still teaching the world is only 6,000 years...

How is that unjust?

So, your whole beef with religion is this 6,000 year thing?

I'll be honest Veg, so far you have come across as one with a very short attention span and fire wildly in all directions. I don't know if you're simply trying to piss people off and frustrate them - or if you're honestly overwhelmed and can't focus.

@Budwick How is that unjust? So, your whole beef with religion is this 6,000 year thing? I'll be honest Veg, so far you...

The 6,000 year old thing is disputing scientific facts. If you dispute that fact, what else are you going to dispute. This opens to the doors to flat Earth, creationists, and climate change deniers.

Religion encourages humans to think irrationally. Before we know it we have groups protesting gay marriages. I find it immoral to label something moral as immoral.

Should we really believe it was moral to kill gays as shown in exodus? How about slavery? I don't think so.

Physically the Bible doesn't make sense. Flat Earth, Geocentric, less than 6,000 years old, creationism, Heaven, Hell, souls.

Morally the Bible doesn't make sense. To spread Christianity in my opinion is immoral. Same with any other religion I can think of by the way.

"
Leviticus 20:13King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
"

"Ephesians 6:5 ESV / 390 helpful votes
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, "

https://www.biblegateway.com/pa...mp;version=KJVps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+6%3A5&version=ESV

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@vegan The 6,000 year old thing is disputing scientific facts. If you dispute that fact, what else are you going to...

How do you know that God didn't use material millions of years old, 6,000 years ago?

I don't think it's wise to pretend to know more than God.

@Budwick How do you know that God didn't use material millions of years old, 6,000 years ago? I don't think it's wise to...

That is one possible explanation. The problem is that scenario is very unlikely. Just for starters the probability of God existing in the first place is low. The question of who created God comes to mind?

The second problem with your scenario is God using million of years old materials is an ad hoc fallacy. Your explanation doesn't explain why God would use millions of year old materials.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.../Ad_Hoc_Rescue

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@vegan Absolutely. We have scientific evidence to support the big bang being started by...

That's not scientific "evidence" - that's a book written by an anti-theist with an agenda.

Do you think quantum gravity is not really a thing at all? If so, then why offer it up as the source for everything? If you do think it's something, then you can't claim everything sprang from "nothing".

Remember: ex nihilo nihil fit

@vegan Absolutely. We have scientific evidence to support the big bang being started by...

The book you've cited is hardly scientific evidence. It's also illogical.

In his book, Not A Chance, R.C. Sproul observed:

If an entity cannot account for its own being (i.e., it is not sufficient to have caused itself), then it is said to be “contingent” because it is dependent upon something outside of itself to explain its existence. The Universe is a contingent entity, since it is inadequate to cause, or explain, its own existence. Sproul has noted: “Logic requires that if something exists contingently, it must have a cause. That is merely to say, if it is an effect it must have an antecedent cause” Thus, since the Universe is a contingent effect, the obvious question becomes, “What caused the Universe?”

@vegan Multiverse theory. http://www.space.com/18811-mult...-theories.html

That describes why some think there are multiple universes - NOT how anyone or all of them were created.

@Budwick That describes why some think there are multiple universes - NOT how anyone or all of them were created.

There is still some degree of mystery in the universe. Yet, the question comes down to is God the best answer or does science have a better explanation? Using science and reason we can come to a better answer than God.

Furthermore, it is a lot more difficult to argue against Deism, than a specific religion.

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@Budwick Science doesn't HAVE an explanation.

Yes, science doesn't have an explanation for everything yet. Science may not be able to answer certain questions ever.

Alternatively religion does have answers, yet are those answers correct?

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@vegan Yes, science doesn't have an explanation for everything yet. Science may not be able to answer certain questions...

Vegan - review your own answers.

At one point you write - "Using science and reason we can come to a better answer than God. "

In your very next comment you write - "science doesn't have an explanation for everything yet. Science may not be able to answer certain questions ever. "

Here is my advice. Go to church - right now! Fall to your knees and beg forgiveness for your blasphemy. And pray for understanding and comfort.

@Budwick Vegan - review your own answers. At one point you write - "Using science and reason we can come to a better...

I've prayed many time to God since I created this post. I never received any answer that I could discern.

How is what I am stating blasphemy?

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It is the most loneliest place to be

@TheCensoredBrit Still, there is always time to grow out of it

I'm not sure what you are stating. We shouldn't follow the path of righteousness and grow of it.

Yeah, path of material wealth and power here I come!

Remember I'm strongly against other religions other than the Abrahamic religions. Buddhism is not any better in my opinion. For some reason we don't talk enough about Buddhist human sacrifices.

This is why I see all religions working as one against the atheists. If Christians really were against other religions, they would point out their flaws more often. Instead, we have this stupid liberal let's all sit around and sing. Pretending there can be lasting peace between religions.

"Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the 1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 “spotless” men were buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city. When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies."

http://listverse.com/2008/04/02...e-of-religion/

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@vegan I'm not sure what you are stating. We shouldn't follow the path of righteousness and grow of it. Yeah, path of...

I wonder what religion those British governors belonged to who stopped the Buddhists from killing more? I bet they weren't atheists.

@faceman I wonder what religion those British governors belonged to who stopped the Buddhists from killing more? I bet they...

The best affect of Christianity is getting rid of religions that are even worse than Christianity, in my opinion. I do not want any religion on this planet that condones human sacrifices.

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@vegan The best affect of Christianity is getting rid of religions that are even worse than Christianity, in my opinion. I...

Would that include the cult of reason, aka militant atheism, which has killed anywhere from 100-200 million people in the 20th century alone? See the governments of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al for further info.

@faceman Would that include the cult of reason, aka militant atheism, which has killed anywhere from 100-200 million...

There are plenty of atheists who have killed people. Yet, I don't think those people were killed for atheism or militant atheism. Instead, they were killed for political reasons, or just plain stupidity.

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@vegan There are plenty of atheists who have killed people. Yet, I don't think those people were killed for atheism or...

Mao is now believed to have murdered 77 million people during his reign. Mao's democide was based entirely on Darwinian evolution.

"Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution." - Mao Tse-Tung

Sure - plenty of atheists have murdered people and plenty of theists have murdered people - yet you're more than happy to implicate religion as a whole for the actions of a few, but give atheism and Darwinists a free pass when adherents to those groups have killed so many more. That's conveniently hypocritical don't you think?

@faceman Mao is now believed to have murdered 77 million people during his reign. Mao's democide was based entirely on...

Considering theism has been around longer, I doubt that statement is true.

"The cost, however, had proved enormous. Perhaps 20 percent of Germany’s total population perished during the war, with losses of up to 50 percent along a corridor running from Pomerania in the Baltic to the Black Forest."

Furthermore, many of the mass killers in the 20th century were religious. Pol Pot was a Buddhist Monk. The leader of the 3rd Reich a Catholic.

Finally, and most importantly there is common ground between religion and the atheist mass murderers. Both were totalitarian and dogmatic regimes.

Forgot about Mao, I'm not sure he was mass murderer. I think he was inept, which is different. Intent matters. Also, bad luck played a key part.

"At first, reports were promising, with accounts of overwhelming advancement. However, three years of floods and bad harvests told a different story. Agricultural production had not come close to expectations, and reports of massive steel production proved to be false. Within a year, an appalling famine set in and entire villages died of starvation. In the worst manmade famine in human history, an estimated 40 million people died of hunger between 1959 and 1961. It became clear that Mao knew how to organize a revolution, but was totally inept at running a country. "

There was three years of floods and bad harvests. If anybody deliberately killed those people it would be God.

Sources:
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4076
http://www.history.com/topics/thirty-years-war
http://www.biography.com/people...-rise-to-power

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@vegan Considering theism has been around longer, I doubt that statement is true. "The cost, however, had proved...

You wrote - "I'm not sure Mao was mass murderer"

It becomes more and more clear that you are unsure about a lot of things - many which are common knowledge.

Are you sure you want to be actively campaigning against the Creator of the Universe based on all the crap you don't know?

@vegan Considering theism has been around longer, I doubt that statement is true. "The cost, however, had proved...

It's always a bit rewarding when I can get anti-theists to defend murderous tyrants like Pol Pot and Mao. I bet you didn't anticipate sinking quite so low, when you saddled this high horse.

@faceman It's always a bit rewarding when I can get anti-theists to defend murderous tyrants like Pol Pot and Mao. I bet you...

I'm aiming for the truth. This conversation is becoming increasingly unfriendly and unproductive, I plan to read further comments, but post no further comments myself.

Thank you for your replies.

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@vegan I'm aiming for the truth. This conversation is becoming increasingly unfriendly and unproductive, I plan to read...

If only that were so. Without God, there can be no absolute "truth", only subjective opinions - formed by natural, biochemical reactions. You're not "aiming for the truth".

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