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The Bible has been used by many to promote racism because it contains passages that are clearly racist.

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@Chris_the_Demon

Thanks for posting that video. Made me laugh at the time and I needed it then. I was really uncertain of my faith and was upsetting. The laughter was healing from my Christian upbringing, religion only seemed to cause me unhappiness. Now I am more confident in my atheist beliefs and feel better.

I finally got around to start reading the old testament, king James version. I couldn't help but laugh a lot even before the Noah's story. For example creating the star seemed to be easier than the Earth. I couldn't help but think of this video.

King James bible is over 900 pages long but within the first ten pages, Noah's Ark appears. Wait, God is killing everyone already?

I heard abridged versions of Noah's Ark as a child many times. but here on page 5

"7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth;"

Seriously, out of a 918 page book God is planning genocide already on page 5. I laughed really hard when reading the Noah's Flood. I kept thinking of how the Ark needed to bring the saltwater marine life aboard. Thank you.

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Two more articles on racism and Christianity. Overall, I think religious institutes are just one of many institutes that promote racism. For example, if religion was just to disappear tomorrow, racism would still exist, yet would be slightly reduced.

Racism in media, government, schools, police, historic trauma, and everyday microaggressions would still exist.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/o...ce-ncna1235045

https://www.scientificamerican....ite-supremacy/

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@vegan Two more articles on racism and Christianity. Overall, I think religious institutes are just one of many institutes...

Mormon is even more racist according to Christopher Hitchens. Confirmed by wikipedia.

"In 1954, apostle Mark E. Petersen taught that segregation was inspired by God, arguing that "what God hath separated, let not man bring together again".[66]: 65  He used examples of the Lamanites and Nephites, the curse of Cain, Jacob and Esau, and the Israelites and Canaanites as scriptural precedence for segregation."

Mormonism is even more racist than the average Christian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B..._and_Mormonism

Edit: I am no longer sure of this claim. Hitchens is less reliable than I originally thought. Needs to be verified by more sources.

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Affirmative.

"While the explanations vary, they are unanimous in asserting that the curse was on Canaan. Despite this fact, various influential Jewish and Christian traditions have assigned the curse to Ham who is considered to have become the father of most African and Middle Eastern dark skinned people.

And that is a key link between western religious practice and racism. On its face it is incomprehensible that the same people who prayed to God, accepted Jesus as Savior, believe in Heaven and Hell, could also promote and practice the enslavement and maltreatment of Africans as they did. One must wonder how the highest court of a land that was founded by God fearing men could legally define a black human as being only three fifths human. The fact is that many of these justices like almost everyone in power at that time had been raised in a religious environment that taught that blacks were the descendants of Ham who was cursed by his father. This doctrine has been taught in Sunday schools and preached in pulpits throughout this country. It has been dubbed “The Curse of Ham.” "

"In the biblical account, Noah and his family are not described in racial terms. But as the story echoed through the centuries and around the world, variously interpreted by Islamic, Christian and Jewish scholars, Ham came to be widely portrayed as black; blackness, servitude and the idea of racial hierarchy became inextricably linked."

http://thegrio.com/2009/09/23/r...-in-the-bible/
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/...rationale.html

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Nobody has quoted the bible here. I only see quotes from dingbats whining ABOUT the bible. It would make more sense to blame dingbats for racism. After all, the bible plainly says God made all men of one blood.

Acts 17:26
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

@SmartAZ Nobody has quoted the bible here. I only see quotes from dingbats whining ABOUT the bible. It would make more sense...

I don't know, I don't have the knowledge to make an informed discussion whether the Bible encourages racism. Richard Dawkins seems to think so.

Edit: This quote might be anti-semitic.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/u...-anti-semitic/

https://www.goodreads.com/work/...e-god-delusion

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@SmartAZ Nobody has quoted the bible here. I only see quotes from dingbats whining ABOUT the bible. It would make more sense...

And the parts about slavery cited in the bible had nothing to do with race. Why is it that any time the word "slave" is used, the race baiters jump on it and say it's all about blacks? Slavery has always encompassed all races. It just seems that some blacks have tried to corner the market for financial gain today.

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@2440375

I'm not sure, there is many contradictions with religious texts. I tried to argue that the Islam religious texts were racist once. I found evidence of both racism and racial equality, the same is most likely true for the Bible.

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@2440375

Just curious here. How does the story of the Ark, in any way promote racism? If my memory serves me correctly, all the people on the Ark, were of one family.

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@2443426

"Ham and Canaan are traditionally seen as the ancestors of black people/Africans"

By who? Don't recall ever reading that in the Bible.

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@2444356

Good answer.

That's funny. I know this is just bait, but still funny.

And how has Darwinian evolution been used as a basis for racism and genocide? Care to open that can o' worms?

@faceman That's funny. I know this is just bait, but still funny. And how has Darwinian evolution been used as a basis for...

2022 now, yes there is scientific racism.

"Scientific racism misapplies, misconstrues, or distorts anthropology (notably physical anthropology), anthropometry, craniometry, evolutionary biology, and other disciplines or pseudo-disciplines, in proposing anthropological typologies supporting the classification of human populations into physically discrete human races, some of which might be asserted to be superior or inferior to others."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

Yet, it is still as I originally said a Tu Quoque fallacy.

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@faceman That's funny. I know this is just bait, but still funny. And how has Darwinian evolution been used as a basis for...

Faceman as for your remark about Darwinian evolution that is a Tu Quoque fallacy.

"Exposition:

Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation. "

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html

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@vegan Faceman as for your remark about Darwinian evolution that is a Tu Quoque fallacy. "Exposition: Tu Quoque is a...

By your own admission, the Bible doesn't condone racism at all. If your point is that people have twisted scripture to give themselves permission/justification to treat others inhumanely, then I'd agree.

You're obviously on another crusade against God though, because you completely ignore the fact that far more have been treated inhumanely due to misguided beliefs in Darwinian evolution - believing some humans hadn't evolved as quickly as others etc. To date, the 20th century is the most bloody in human history - and there's no close 2nd. That blood is almost entirely on the atheistic evolutionist's hands - not the theists.

@faceman By your own admission, the Bible doesn't condone racism at all. If your point is that people have twisted...

"If your point is that people have twisted scripture to give themselves permission/justification to treat others inhumanely, then I'd agree." faceman

This is the correct interpretation of my intentions for this thread.

As for conflict and evolution, Richard Dawkins says the problem is with dogma. That both dogma is present within Christianity and Marxism communism.

Personally, I think the 20th century is the most bloody due to advances in technology. I predict the 21st century will be much more bloody.

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@vegan "If your point is that people have twisted scripture to give themselves permission/justification to treat others...

Have a look at which 20th century regimes were wielding that bloody technology - you'll find they were almost always atheistic (Stalin's Russia, Mao's China).

@faceman Have a look at which 20th century regimes were wielding that bloody technology - you'll find they were almost...

If you look at the most godless nations, you will find that many of the most peaceful nations have the highest % of atheists.

Yes Stalin's and Mao's reigns were terrible. The best explanation I can give is a combination of dogma and science. Dogma led to mass killings and science makes everything efficient. Therefore, dogma + science = efficient mass killings.

Think about it, praying is a very poor way to kill your enemies.

"and in accordance with conventional Marxist dogma planned attacks on cities."

https://www.indy100.com/article...mapped-7317871
http://www.nytimes.com/learning...bday/1226.html

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Lots of specially trained smart people have looked hard for evidence of a world wide flood. They found two. Neither of them was Noah's flood of 2349 BC. Nevertheless, people all over the world recorded a flood that year and they all agreed on all the details. You might be surprised to learn what actually happened. This is long, but it's all there: http://saturniancosmology.org/

If you don't care to read the whole book, here is the section about Noah:
http://saturniancosmology.org/noah.php

And in all this there is NOTHING to support one race or another.

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@2440654

Right, I don't think Noah's Ark is racist. Yet, people have used it to promote their racist agenda.

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