I feel smart today. You know, we always talk about Russia; it's just too bad that no-one can give us a Russian POV.If you were speaking as a Russian what might you say about the political shenanigans?
Petro Poroshenko, who did not have the military strength to defend against the annexation of Crimea asked the G7 to join in not recognizing what was widely assumed to be rigged elections in Eastern Ukraine.
It is not like Obama unilaterally filed to 'recognize' Ukrainian elections, he joined the EU and the G7 in not recognizing the Russian Duma elections that took place in Ukraine (and which treated Crimea as part of the Russian Empire) before the Ukrainian people could vote in their own scheduled elections.
Of course when those scheduled elections did not go the way Russia wanted, then it turned around and 'did not recognized' the elections in Donetsk and Lugansk regions of eastern Ukraine. They voted to form their own country separate from Russia and the Ukraine, despite Russian promises to allow those free elections prior to the voting.
It was and still is a hot mess.
Looks like Trump will just let Putin do whatever he wants in the Ukraine regardless of what the people there actually want.
Huh. Why would he do that? Obama had the highest rating of any sitting president for his entire 8 years.
Plus he already had a 'large faceless enemy' in ISIL.
Plus Russia had been America's 'enemy' for the last 50 years.
It would have been more suspicious to the American public if Obama did not question Putin's motives. Which is why the American public is now suspicious that our president-elect does not question Putin's motives.
Answer a question for me why do you think the most hated nation among conservative Americans (Russia) for the last 50 years is now their darling?
Seriously I don't know what changed.
Not that I personally feel like we should hate Putin, I have always agreed that negotiation and cooperation are good. I am just wondering what changed? Why are conservative Americans now supporting a totalitarian communist dictator? Heck, 20 years ago they were plotting to assassinate him.
Fair enough. We do have many allies that do not hold free elections and many that have one party governments. So it makes sense that our government would not shy away from aligning with Russia if it was in the national security interest.
Let's hope that this 'spirit of cooperation' leads to prosperity for the citizens of the world and not just for the leaders.
An argument "for" Russia. That's a tough one since I am not a fan of Russia at all.
It wasn't all that long ago that Russia was known as the Soviet Union. It was a collection of states, formed to create a larger "whole" which enabled them to garner more power and influence in the world. Power was centralized in Russia. As time went on, these "states", wanted to leave this consolidation because Russia had taken all power and removed any independence of those "states", which originally enjoyed their own sovereignty.
Now.... Remember when "states" in the United States had their own laws and degrees of sovereignty? They were known as territories. (Like the Oklahoma territory or Colorado territory. What has happened in the past century to that sovereignty? That sovereignty is being replaced by absolute control of DC? How is this different that the Soviet Union, or what Russia is trying to do today by regaining control of those areas?
What happens every time rumors of a state wanting to "leave" the control of the United States? What would we say to Russia for interfering?
Just a thought on a hypothetical Russian POV, if I was Russian.
Forget about it.. (Russian voice)
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Grim. Thank you.
Petro Poroshenko, who did not have the military strength to defend against the annexation of Crimea asked the G7 to join in not recognizing what was widely assumed to be rigged elections in Eastern Ukraine.
It is not like Obama unilaterally filed to 'recognize' Ukrainian elections, he joined the EU and the G7 in not recognizing the Russian Duma elections that took place in Ukraine (and which treated Crimea as part of the Russian Empire) before the Ukrainian people could vote in their own scheduled elections.
Of course when those scheduled elections did not go the way Russia wanted, then it turned around and 'did not recognized' the elections in Donetsk and Lugansk regions of eastern Ukraine. They voted to form their own country separate from Russia and the Ukraine, despite Russian promises to allow those free elections prior to the voting.
It was and still is a hot mess.
Looks like Trump will just let Putin do whatever he wants in the Ukraine regardless of what the people there actually want.
Huh. Why would he do that? Obama had the highest rating of any sitting president for his entire 8 years.
Plus he already had a 'large faceless enemy' in ISIL.
Plus Russia had been America's 'enemy' for the last 50 years.
It would have been more suspicious to the American public if Obama did not question Putin's motives. Which is why the American public is now suspicious that our president-elect does not question Putin's motives.
What else is there? A few nut-jobs?
Just kidding.
Answer a question for me why do you think the most hated nation among conservative Americans (Russia) for the last 50 years is now their darling?
Seriously I don't know what changed.
Not that I personally feel like we should hate Putin, I have always agreed that negotiation and cooperation are good. I am just wondering what changed? Why are conservative Americans now supporting a totalitarian communist dictator? Heck, 20 years ago they were plotting to assassinate him.
Fair enough. We do have many allies that do not hold free elections and many that have one party governments. So it makes sense that our government would not shy away from aligning with Russia if it was in the national security interest.
Let's hope that this 'spirit of cooperation' leads to prosperity for the citizens of the world and not just for the leaders.
A "D"? Oh...you mean a consonant?
Yes putin and his cronies are.
Trump supporters cannot admit to any flaw in his thinking, or lack thereof.
If a democrat was praising this or any other tyranical, authoritarian leader, the right would be irrate.
Any country that uses technology against us should not be admired or praised. And if putin gets the upper hand, be assured, he will use it.
I would say that it would be in the best interest of both parties to be great allies.
Sure. The question is, would it be in the best interest of the rest of the world?
An argument "for" Russia. That's a tough one since I am not a fan of Russia at all.
It wasn't all that long ago that Russia was known as the Soviet Union. It was a collection of states, formed to create a larger "whole" which enabled them to garner more power and influence in the world. Power was centralized in Russia. As time went on, these "states", wanted to leave this consolidation because Russia had taken all power and removed any independence of those "states", which originally enjoyed their own sovereignty.
Now.... Remember when "states" in the United States had their own laws and degrees of sovereignty? They were known as territories. (Like the Oklahoma territory or Colorado territory. What has happened in the past century to that sovereignty? That sovereignty is being replaced by absolute control of DC? How is this different that the Soviet Union, or what Russia is trying to do today by regaining control of those areas?
What happens every time rumors of a state wanting to "leave" the control of the United States? What would we say to Russia for interfering?
Just a thought on a hypothetical Russian POV, if I was Russian.